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20 Sep 2017, 7:34 am

This is something I've been wondering for a while now. Im a diagnosed aspie and extremely introverted myself with bad social anxiety also. I hear that some aspies love to be around people and socialise, some even talking too much. But in my experiences, I am the complete opposite, I love to be on My own, i can go a whole day at work without talking to any of my colleagues apart from saying good morning which is why everyone at work thinks I don't like them. I like to sit on my own at lunch brakes in the same spot while all my colleagues sit together in the staff room or having a cigarette which is why they call me weird and a hermit. I rarely answer phone calls and don't really socialise with anyone but my 3 close friends I live with and my drunk neighbour, usually not even family. I do hangout with friends who I rent my apartment with most nights but still need a lot of alone time. I think my difficulty connecting with people, having difficulty understanding when someone is joking and the fact I never know what to say makes it worse but I have never really had any interest in people though always had a small circle of friends. Could this be ASD related?



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20 Sep 2017, 12:38 pm

Introversion isn't an innately "Aspie" trait. However, it seems more common for aspies to be more introverted and withdrawn than outgoing and talkative. Just because someone is introverted doesn't make them an aspie, but it can be evidence and a possible trait/result of having an ASD. I personally enjoy being around certain people, but I am still drained from socializing. I would definitely relate your introversion to your Asperger's, but just know that not every introverted person is autistic, and just because someone is introverted is no reason to suspect ASD unless they have other traits. :D


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20 Sep 2017, 1:26 pm

What Stampy squiffy fan said

Likewise

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Almost everyone that has told me that he or she is autistic, appears , to me, introverted. That includes myself. Sometimes I feel like the older I get the more introverted I get.

Part of it is that I finished school and have not had a job for a long time

:D

However, personality depends on nature :heart: versus nurture :cry:


It could be that I picked up social norms and cues badly, as a result of autism. Then I acted in socially taboo ways, that I thought were ok. Precious lil "people" just assumed that I :mrgreen: knew :idea: that what. I did or said something socially taboo.

But I did not know it was taboo

And perhaps it was not even taboo, absolutely or objectively or inherently

:lol:

And precious lil "people" punished me for acting in ways that :oops: they :D thought were taboo.

And the punishments were often way more severe than I could have imagined at the time.

And there were a lot of punishments

And, as a result of all that social rejection, I became more introverted :evil:

Yeah I know I phrased it badly

But seriously you can't separate nature versus nurture



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20 Sep 2017, 5:01 pm

Introversion is a personality trait.

Main thing is, WHY aspies tend to be introverted?
It's not the personal inclinations alone. It's also likely out of circumstances.


NT Introverts can still get with the flow, and sync.
They aren't introverted because they can't handle people, nor some form of misanthropy. Nor that they were bullied, nor overwhelmed in the crowd. They're not anxious wrecks either. Nor that have this issues with trust and self-esteem. And especially that they aren't as clueless, nor any less subtile.
They're only likely to be passive, more of a listener, and prefers it that way -- not because they don't like socializing.


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20 Sep 2017, 5:44 pm

A good question.

Introversion is often defined by traits like lower sociability, reduced tendency to initiate conversations, less eye contact, and so forth. Many of these overlap with classic autistic traits.

Out of context, there would appear to be relation, but correlation doesn't always equal causation.

We need more evidence from neuroscience before we can make a definitive conclusion on any link between the two.


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22 Sep 2017, 7:22 am

StampySquiddyFan wrote:
Introversion isn't an innately "Aspie" trait. However, it seems more common for aspies to be more introverted and withdrawn than outgoing and talkative. Just because someone is introverted doesn't make them an aspie, but it can be evidence and a possible trait/result of having an ASD. I personally enjoy being around certain people, but I am still drained from socializing. I would definitely relate your introversion to your Asperger's, but just know that not every introverted person is autistic, and just because someone is introverted is no reason to suspect ASD unless they have other traits. :D


Thanks for your reply. I had been wondering for a while as I've been like it since I was young and never come across anyone that was like how i was. I still had friends that I hung out with down the park with though some days. And on TV and movies, characters with ASD often seem introverted and don't say much at all. But then again, a guy in my special needs group in school had aspergers also and he was so loud and talkative he irritated me and everyone else in the room constantly.



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22 Sep 2017, 7:28 am

kdm1984 wrote:
A good question.

Introversion is often defined by traits like lower sociability, reduced tendency to initiate conversations, less eye contact, and so forth. Many of these overlap with classic autistic traits.

Out of context, there would appear to be relation, but correlation doesn't always equal causation.

We need more evidence from neuroscience before we can make a definitive conclusion on any link between the two.

It would be interesting if they did do a study on this. I think my introversion is partly because I don't know exactly how to start a conversion with someone. I can have a good one if someone else starts but even then unless its about classic cars or history then I will struggle to keep it going. I don't always understand when someone is joking and often don't find their jokes funny so I get fed up of fake laughing. And I don't always know how to react or reply to certain things so I find it much less effort to not bother. That and the fact im not really interested in people at all but my 3 close friends.



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22 Sep 2017, 8:51 am

What StampySquiddyFan said.

Not all introverts have autism and not all autistic people are introverts. But there seems to be a lot of people with autism who are also introverted.

Introversion is a personality type, and one of the criteria in deciding if you are introverted or extroverted is spoken of in terms of an "energy" issue, or how they "recharge their battery" figuratively speaking.

Those who are extroverted feel like they have restored their emotional and mental "battery" by being around people, talking to friends, engaging with strangers, etc. If they had been feeling drained or fed up, they tend to feel revived and happier again by social contact.

Those who are introverted get their energy revival from the opposite -- time away from social contact, time alone to recharge their batteries.

They may even feel they enjoy social interaction or some social interaction. They may even have found a way to be "good" at it to some extent, and may not necessarily sit quietly in a corner in necessarily every case. But thye will tend to find that even after enjoying interactions, they start to feel their batteries running low. They may feel emotionally more worn out, tired, even physically in some cases. They may start to feel more like they now just want to withdraw and be alone. Being alone "recharges" them and restores their ability to cope.

So introversion and extroversion sometimes isn't even always about how able a person is to take part or come across well, but also to do with whether the efforts energize them or drain them.



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23 Sep 2017, 4:35 am

Roo95 wrote:
This is something I've been wondering for a while now. Im a diagnosed aspie and extremely introverted myself with bad social anxiety also. I hear that some aspies love to be around people and socialise, some even talking too much. But in my experiences, I am the complete opposite, I love to be on My own, i can go a whole day at work without talking to any of my colleagues apart from saying good morning which is why everyone at work thinks I don't like them. I like to sit on my own at lunch brakes in the same spot while all my colleagues sit together in the staff room or having a cigarette which is why they call me weird and a hermit. I rarely answer phone calls and don't really socialise with anyone but my 3 close friends I live with and my drunk neighbour, usually not even family. I do hangout with friends who I rent my apartment with most nights but still need a lot of alone time. I think my difficulty connecting with people, having difficulty understanding when someone is joking and the fact I never know what to say makes it worse but I have never really had any interest in people though always had a small circle of friends. Could this be ASD related?
Pun not intended your not alone, I don't like being around people,even friends a couple times a week and I'm good. I much prefer being on my own. I do like being around my girlfriend ALOT though,she understands me more than anyone.