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02 Feb 2019, 8:47 pm

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I think the Democrats are far more dangerous than the Republicans. With the Pubs, at least there's truth in advertising. They openly support neoliberalism. But the Dems are wolves in sheep's clothing. There is no difference between the two parties, any more. Eight years of Obama should have woken up liberals to that reality. He was actually worse than Bush.

You mean you've been scared of made up stories, while we can point to your words and deeds.



Nah, I leave the consumption of "made up stories" to those of your ilk, who walk lock-step with the left and corporate media. I prefer to think for myself. I can back up every damn I said if you'd like to have that conversation.

Fox News is a corporation.
Which party supports racists, and which party fires them?
Which party supports sexual harassment and which defends harassers?
Which party supports international treaties and cooperation, and which doesn't?
Which party believes in consensus views on science and which supports polluters?
Which party wants people to vote, and which believes in voter suppression?



The Dems say one thing, and do another. One the first two points, I'll give you a few points. Bu everything else is total bollocks. Especially the one claiming the Dems are cleaning up the environment. That is truly laughable.


This is where we begin the conversation about Obama being worse than Bush. The Bush administration saw a decline in oil production, while the Obama administration saw a record increase. And let's not forget when Hillary was SOS, she actively promoted fracking all around the globe. Yes, a very abysmal record when it come to protecting the environment.


Let's move on to foreign policy -- and this is a no-brainer. Obama took us from two to seven wars, essentially ramping up the foreign interventionist policy more than Bush could have imagined. Drone assassinations, repealing habeas corpus, ramped up the surveillance state.


That's enough for now. I'll let you catch your breath.

Not shocked at all. Republicans consistently support deregulation, especially of the fossil fuel industry and fracking. Democrats did support fracking, but not the evisceration of the EPA, or the rebirth of coal. I suppose they wanted to distance the US from Middle Eastern oil. Remember that basing troops in Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War on the part of Bush Sr. was one of the stated reasons for the 9/11 attacks. Preparing our country for a post fossil fuel economy doesn't mean simply stopping the production of fossil fuels. We depend on it for our very survival. But ask any Republican if they are in favor of a slight increase in fuel efficiency standards, and they all say no. They say no to solar energy, wind energy, electric car subsidies, and consistently deny the scientific consensus on anthropogenic global warming. Trump also withdrew from the Paris Climate Agreements. I don't call their positions identical.

I'm rather proud of Obama's record on fighting terrorism, I like drone strikes on terrorists on the part of the CIA, it saves American troops (Trump lifted procedures in place to protect civilian life as much as possible). He wanted to close Guantanamo, but Republicans refused (Trump loves it). He ended torture (Trump supports torture). I understand the moral question of whether to treat enemy combatants as prisoners of war or just US prisoners, and I never said Democrats were perfect (I'm not a Democrat but rather a Democratic Socialist). But to say they are identical is laughable. Hell, Trump sent US troops to the Southern Border for purely political reasons, can you say posse comitatus? And by the way, speaking of privacy, who worked with Cambridge Analytica to allow all our facebook data to go to the Russians?


Well...I don't know how you can view a record increase in oil production as moving toward a "post fossil fuel economy." If you can explain that, I'd be happy to listen.

You say the drone strikes "save American troops?' I think if we stop all these wars for profit in the ME, we'd be a lot better off. It's U.S meddling other countries affairs that brought all this hatred upon us in the first place. And we've been doing it for decades. The CIA engineered a coop in Iran in 1953 to depose a democratically elected leader and install the right-wing dictator, the Shah. And we wonder why Iranians hate the U.S. Go figure. This s**t is not going to change as long as we keep voting for Dems and Pubs. They all support the Military-Industrial Complex.

Look, neither major U.S. party is going to support and REAL moves toward getting us off fossil fuels? Why? Because they are both taking huge sums of money from the fossil fuel industry.

Yeah, the Republicans stopped Obama from closing GITMO. *Snicker* He could have issues an Executive Order if he was really serious about living up his campaign promise to close that installation. And torture is still going on.

If you're a Democratic Socialist, you should realize that the Democratic Party is a huge step to the right from your ideology. Why in the world would you support them? It makes no earthly sense to me.


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03 Feb 2019, 8:16 am

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Well...I don't know how you can view a record increase in oil production as moving toward a "post fossil fuel economy." If you can explain that, I'd be happy to listen.

You say the drone strikes "save American troops?' I think if we stop all these wars for profit in the ME, we'd be a lot better off. It's U.S meddling other countries affairs that brought all this hatred upon us in the first place. And we've been doing it for decades. The CIA engineered a coop in Iran in 1953 to depose a democratically elected leader and install the right-wing dictator, the Shah. And we wonder why Iranians hate the U.S. Go figure. This s**t is not going to change as long as we keep voting for Dems and Pubs. They all support the Military-Industrial Complex.

Look, neither major U.S. party is going to support and REAL moves toward getting us off fossil fuels? Why? Because they are both taking huge sums of money from the fossil fuel industry.

Yeah, the Republicans stopped Obama from closing GITMO. *Snicker* He could have issues an Executive Order if he was really serious about living up his campaign promise to close that installation. And torture is still going on.

If you're a Democratic Socialist, you should realize that the Democratic Party is a huge step to the right from your ideology. Why in the world would you support them? It makes no earthly sense to me.

The problem with fraking isn't that it makes oil. It's that it's horribly polluting and a financial scam. These wells never last as long as promised, and then they leave the area with contaminated groundwater and more prone to earthquakes. We need oil in order to transcend oil. You can't build a solar plant or a wind farm using sustainable energy alone. You may say it's all about profit, but it's not like financial stability isn't important. Massive sudden reductions in fossil fuel production without an alternative in place would devastate the world's economy and cause widespread hardships and death. So where's the investment in alternatives? Definitely not in the Republican world, where they are in complete denial.

I disagree that attacking terrorists is the root cause of terrorism, unless we end up killing lots of civilians. And it's only for profit indirectly, since a terror attack on our country is financially damaging, as well as all the other kinds of damage.

I would have supported f*****g with Iran if I was alive at the time. I realize it turned out badly. Although they seem to be abiding by the nuclear treaty now. Democracy isn't sacred. If Democracy elects authoritarians or religious fundamentalists, I'm in favor of coups or revolutions, like that bastard running Venezuela now.

I caucus with the Democrats because they are to the left of the Republicans, who are straight up fascists.



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03 Feb 2019, 11:41 am

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Well...I don't know how you can view a record increase in oil production as moving toward a "post fossil fuel economy." If you can explain that, I'd be happy to listen.

You say the drone strikes "save American troops?' I think if we stop all these wars for profit in the ME, we'd be a lot better off. It's U.S meddling other countries affairs that brought all this hatred upon us in the first place. And we've been doing it for decades. The CIA engineered a coop in Iran in 1953 to depose a democratically elected leader and install the right-wing dictator, the Shah. And we wonder why Iranians hate the U.S. Go figure. This s**t is not going to change as long as we keep voting for Dems and Pubs. They all support the Military-Industrial Complex.

Look, neither major U.S. party is going to support and REAL moves toward getting us off fossil fuels? Why? Because they are both taking huge sums of money from the fossil fuel industry.

Yeah, the Republicans stopped Obama from closing GITMO. *Snicker* He could have issues an Executive Order if he was really serious about living up his campaign promise to close that installation. And torture is still going on.

If you're a Democratic Socialist, you should realize that the Democratic Party is a huge step to the right from your ideology. Why in the world would you support them? It makes no earthly sense to me.

The problem with fraking isn't that it makes oil. It's that it's horribly polluting and a financial scam. These wells never last as long as promised, and then they leave the area with contaminated groundwater and more prone to earthquakes. We need oil in order to transcend oil. You can't build a solar plant or a wind farm using sustainable energy alone. You may say it's all about profit, but it's not like financial stability isn't important. Massive sudden reductions in fossil fuel production without an alternative in place would devastate the world's economy and cause widespread hardships and death. So where's the investment in alternatives? Definitely not in the Republican world, where they are in complete denial.

I disagree that attacking terrorists is the root cause of terrorism, unless we end up killing lots of civilians. And it's only for profit indirectly, since a terror attack on our country is financially damaging, as well as all the other kinds of damage.

I would have supported f*****g with Iran if I was alive at the time. I realize it turned out badly. Although they seem to be abiding by the nuclear treaty now. Democracy isn't sacred. If Democracy elects authoritarians or religious fundamentalists, I'm in favor of coups or revolutions, like that bastard running Venezuela now.

I caucus with the Democrats because they are to the left of the Republicans, who are straight up fascists.



We DO end up killing lots of civilians with drone attacks. I'm against it because it violates the U.S. Constitution and international law. But I was referring mostly to bombing the s**t out of countries in the ME, and messing around in their business. The reason we helped install the Shah in 1953 was because the Democratically elected leader was in favor of spreading democracy throughout the ME -- not good for us or the oil companies! It's easier to control authoritarian regimes.


We don't care about Democracy in other countries, nor do we care about humanitarian crises -- unless they have oil or some other resource we want. If Venezuela wasn't sitting on the largest oil reserves, we wouldn't care at all about that country.


It's really amazing to me that you, and so many others, are so outraged by Russia allegedly meddling in our elections when we have done far worse for years. But I guess it's alright when we do s**t like that.


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03 Feb 2019, 12:36 pm

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We DO end up killing lots of civilians with drone attacks.

All forms of war unfortunately kill civilians.
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I'm against it because it violates the U.S. Constitution and international law.

It doesn't violate the constitution. And arguably doesn't violate international law, which does have rules of war.
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But I was referring mostly to bombing the s**t out of countries in the ME, and messing around in their business. The reason we helped install the Shah in 1953 was because the Democratically elected leader was in favor of spreading democracy throughout the ME -- not good for us or the oil companies! It's easier to control authoritarian regimes.

As I said, Democracy isn't a panacea, it can be just as corrupt and authoritarian as anything. I believe in messing around in the business of other countries in the pursuit of American interests. What else do you think the CIA does?
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It's really amazing to me that you, and so many others, are so outraged by Russia allegedly meddling in our elections when we have done far worse for years. But I guess it's alright when we do s**t like that.

Yes it is.
I expect Russia to do things like that. I don't expect US citizens to conspire with them. And I happen to think that much of the time, our intentions are superior, which makes interference a moral imperative.



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03 Feb 2019, 1:28 pm

Well, it appears an oligarchy is just fine and dandy with you. Good to know! Jeepers!


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03 Feb 2019, 1:48 pm

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Well, it appears an oligarchy is just fine and dandy with you. Good to know! Jeepers!

Never said that.



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03 Feb 2019, 1:51 pm

Whether you know it not, you did.


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03 Feb 2019, 2:35 pm

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Whether you know it not, you did.

Nope. Spare me the concern trolling, your guy currently supports Putin, the oligarch's oligarch, passed huge tax cuts for the rich, and will continue to undermine efforts to address income inequality.



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03 Feb 2019, 4:23 pm

I am not believing his story that it was not him in the picture but he did put on blackface to imitate Michael Jackson.


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03 Feb 2019, 5:49 pm

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Whether you know it not, you did.

Nope. Spare me the concern trolling, your guy currently supports Putin, the oligarch's oligarch, passed huge tax cuts for the rich, and will continue to undermine efforts to address income inequality.



What f*****g guy are you talking about? Please try to make some sense.


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03 Feb 2019, 5:55 pm

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I am not believing his story that it was not him in the picture but he did put on blackface to imitate Michael Jackson.

Ah, another reminder of just how long ago that was, back when Michael Jackson was fully black.

It should also serve as a reminder of how irrelevant this all is. Michael Jackson's skin colour changed, but he was still Michael Jackson.

I'm sure there's a potentially interesting rabbit hole to go down involving imagining Michael Jackson applying blackface... :twisted: :P :mrgreen:



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03 Feb 2019, 6:26 pm

Just another Democrat returning to his party's roots. :lol:

Who is Governor Northam’s favorite actor?
John Wilkes Booth

What’s the Governor’s personal motto?
“If at first you don’t Secede, try try again”

What’s the Governor’s least favorite car?
Lincoln Continental

What’s Northam’s favorite part of any city?
The hood

Who was Northam’s favorite President?
Jefferson Davis

What is Gov. Northam’s favorite bird?
Jim Crow

What was Northam voted as in his college yearbook?
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03 Feb 2019, 8:02 pm

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Whether you know it not, you did.

Nope. Spare me the concern trolling, your guy currently supports Putin, the oligarch's oligarch, passed huge tax cuts for the rich, and will continue to undermine efforts to address income inequality.



What f*****g guy are you talking about? Please try to make some sense.

You are an apologist for Trump and/or non-liberals. At least it seems that way.



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03 Feb 2019, 8:04 pm

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Just another Democrat returning to his party's roots. :lol:

Not this s**t again. Liberals can be as racist as anyone, but our party embraced civil rights and your's opposed it, deal with it. Blacks don't vote Republican in any significant numbers. I think Trump got 8%.



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03 Feb 2019, 9:24 pm

AspE wrote:
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Whether you know it not, you did.

Nope. Spare me the concern trolling, your guy currently supports Putin, the oligarch's oligarch, passed huge tax cuts for the rich, and will continue to undermine efforts to address income inequality.



What f*****g guy are you talking about? Please try to make some sense.

You are an apologist for Trump and/or non-liberals. At least it seems that way.



No, I just don't spend my time attacking a symptom. I like to attack the whole problem.


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