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03 Dec 2019, 9:00 am

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I think that it can be really challenging for an individual on the spectrum with a low IQ to be able to communicate his or her needs in a way that others will understand which can, obviously, lead to a great deal of frustration and, perhaps, more meltdowns. It can create a double hurdle - it can be hard to communicate when one is on the spectrum and it can be hard when one has an intellectual disability (depending on the degree of both).

Of course, people on the spectrum with high IQs can also struggle with communication issues, but they might be better at finding ways to work around it.

Of course, there are many variables that could be at work here. Each person is an individual and has his or her own challenges and abilities.


There can be challenges in communication between two individuals if there is a distinct difference between their IQ. These challenges can usually be overcome with great effort, but they will still exist. As strange as it may seem, the challenges do not always become greater if the IQ difference is larger, compared to a smaller IQ difference in similar individuals.



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30 Jan 2020, 6:31 am

My IQ is situated around 170 and 186 :wink:
When i swim its sometimes below zero :wink:


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30 Jan 2020, 7:40 am

Just bc it is part of the discussion, my iq ranges from 135 (low functioning times) to 153+ (extreme functioning times). I've heard that the higher the functioning the greater the depression; for me it seems so far to be true since I have double depression. (Also there is a bible verse that has a similar reference off memory: "For in much wisdom is much grief (vexation) and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.") Some of the high iq NT people I've met truly believed they are above everyone else or liked to show it. I had a friend (likely ASP) that was a post doc mathematician doctor in the quantum research field with a high high iq. He was a cool quirky quiet guy and we got a long great and did normal things like cook food and talk about physics and math all night with a small group of researchers. ASD people with high iq, so far, man I have got a long with them greater than any other people on earth. I know a doctor with ASD that every time we talk it is for hours and hours and in-depth. We did have very similar interests as well as growing up similarly.


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30 Jan 2020, 10:41 am

Intelligence is made up of many different things, autistic people have serious deficits in one or more parts of intelligence thats what gives them the disability in the first place.

The stereotype of the maths genius or "idiot savant" comes to mind who can do fast calculations but cannot do simple tasks a small child can usually do.

Intelligence is more than just the iq test, there's forward planning, social intelligence, ability to negotiate a position, cause and effect, physical dexterity, memory just to name some.

Intelligence is like the graphic equaliser on the old 80's / 90's music sterios. In NTs all parts are above a min level, in ASD one or more maybe very high while the rest completly off or super low.



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30 Jan 2020, 12:09 pm

autistic individuals are just that...individuals. No two have the same "personal traits" regardless of IQ.



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30 Jan 2020, 2:23 pm

Yeah, in furtherance if what’s been said above IQ tests are for very specific cognitive abilities, and different test models also test for different abilities.
But they only attempt to measure the subjects potential with regard to these abilities: attainment is a very different thing.

I was IQ tested at age 13 by an educational psychologist, the test he used only measured two metrics:
Combined problem solving & pattern recognition (136)
Verbal ability/command of language (142)

Which, well, it’s nice to have a big number on a bit of paper to look at... but it doesn’t solve or guarantee anything in and of itself.
The social difficulties and anxiety meant that even with the nice big numbers it still almost broke me forever to finish my degree for instance.
And I definitely agree with Nietzsche that intelligence is only worth what is done with it.



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30 Jan 2020, 3:16 pm

My intelligence when it comes to practical , daily living skills is low/very low . It's to the extent that without the support I get I'd not be doing at all well .


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30 Jan 2020, 5:07 pm

firemonkey wrote:
My intelligence when it comes to practical , daily living skills is low/very low . It's to the extent that without the support I get I'd not be doing at all well .


Same here to be honest.
Most of what I know about day-to-day keeping life together my wife’s taught me well enough for me to not need massive amounts of supervision.



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27 Feb 2020, 3:59 am

A famous quote about high and low IQ.
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IQ and memory are diverse, so its difficult to discribe it in a short and simple way.
Are IQ and memory 2 different things? I see it as different, but also a unity.
Without my memory i shoud every day again have to find out how i have to hold a knife-spoon-fork when i eating. Its intelligent to hold the sharp part of the knife not in the palm of my hand, but its also my memory who tells me why i have to hold and use the knife safely.

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27 Feb 2020, 7:51 am

Do neurotypicals with high IQs have different personalities than neurotypicals with low IQ's?

Well...in some ways. For example neurotypicals with high IQs tend to be smarter (in booksmarts at least) than NTs with low IQs. So if that difference can be classified as a "personality difference" then that's an example of a personality difference between the two subgroups of the group. So I would venture to say the a similar thing exists among autistics.

That smarter autistics tend to be smarter than are less smart autistics. And if you considered that to be a "personality difference" then its a personality difference.

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03 Jul 2020, 9:51 am

High and Low IQ, the same test can also give a different level of IQ.
It seems logical that different tests show different results. The result of 1 and the same test can give a different result today if you do not do that test today but in 3 weeks, a 'snapshot'. Like my blood sugar, serotonin, cholesterol, melatonin, and adrenaline levels fluctuate. This is also the case with the outcome of IQ testing. In fact, the amount of blood sugar, cholesterol, melatonin and adrenaline seems to me to be a causal connection with your mental powers for that moment. If I have swumed my cholesterol level in an hour of lap swimming, I have the feeling that I can think much clearer at that moment when I did not have swim in the pool. Just like that swimming triggers a reset button. When I walk alone in nature exactly the same. Undergoing an IQ test, walking in the nature seems like something nice to me. And then again an IQ test in which I ask myself the questions :mrgreen: . No rhetorical questions, but questions that I do not have an immediate answer at that time. However, the activity of walking can provide a sharper answer than when I am in a busy hectic environment.

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You can be a schmuck with a high IQ, or a saint with a low IQ. And everywhere in between.

And vice versa.


A saint can also be a schmuck, and a schmuck can also be a saint.



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17 Jul 2020, 3:28 pm

People use high IQ to feel better about themselves and low IQ to feel bad about other people.



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18 Jul 2020, 3:21 am

Karamazov wrote:
Yeah, in furtherance if what’s been said above IQ tests are for very specific cognitive abilities, and different test models also test for different abilities.
But they only attempt to measure the subjects potential with regard to these abilities: attainment is a very different thing.

I was IQ tested at age 13 by an educational psychologist, the test he used only measured two metrics:
Combined problem solving & pattern recognition (136)
Verbal ability/command of language (142)

Which, well, it’s nice to have a big number on a bit of paper to look at... but it doesn’t solve or guarantee anything in and of itself.
The social difficulties and anxiety meant that even with the nice big numbers it still almost broke me forever to finish my degree for instance.
And I definitely agree with Nietzsche that intelligence is only worth what is done with it.


That would give you an IQ of about 147 -148 .


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18 Jul 2020, 3:44 am

a surefire way to depress me [as though i didn't have plenty of other reasons] is to talk about my IQ or lack thereof. anyways, i digress. it's been my experience that the smartest people i've known tended to be coldly calculating and not always eschewing of taking unfair advantage of the less-intelligent. i knew some people who worked for bill gates and who described him in those terms, he also liked to talk down to people in general.



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18 Jul 2020, 4:37 am

The worst ones for me are the ones who use their intelligence to belittle others .


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18 Jul 2020, 4:38 am

I am terrible at these tests.

Years ago I did one that said I had an IQ of about 125

Recently I took one that said my IQ was 80

Not sure if my mind is in decline.

I also have Schizophrenia, so that might be contributing to these lower scores.