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11 Feb 2021, 5:41 pm

Gina Carano made a anti-Semitic post on her social media page and got fired for it by Disney.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/11/entertai ... index.html


canceldinseyplus begins on twitter, you can read all about it here. People are now canceling Disney Plus to fight back.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/11/entertai ... index.html


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11 Feb 2021, 5:43 pm

Fighting back in the name of fascism I guess.

I would expect to be fired for that & I'm not even a Disney princess, as far as I know anyway. :wink:

Edit: I liked her acting, bummer she turned out to be another nasty Trumpkin.


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11 Feb 2021, 9:42 pm

This is being talked about in the Star Wars section of the forum Starship Modeler.

I don't see what she said that counts as anti-semitic.
And on top of that, what I've seen quoted as her problematic posting is factually correct, the German government did incite people to hate Jews..

A quote of what she posted, I found via Googling. And I'm expecting where she uses the phrase "not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors" it is being used not to say that Nazi soldiers never themselves beat Jewish people but that the beatings referenced were by civilians, not by the soldiers.

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Carano fell under heavy criticism after she posted that “Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors.... even by children."
The actor continued to say, “Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?”

https://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/g ... M5XH5L4GY/

:arrow: And as for German children being turned against the Jews, here from a Jewish source is, and with incitement to violence having been in our own news lately, tell me if the following children's book isn't an incitement for children to do violence against Jewish people,
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/pr ... tler-years
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No single target of nazification took higher priority than Germany's young. By 1937, 97% of all teachers belonged to the National Socialist Teachers' Union. Every member of this union had to submit an ancestry table in triplicate with official documents of proof. Courses and textbooks in Nazi schools reflected the aims of Hitler. Of the topics that teachers were required to treat, the most important was racial theory and, by extension, the Jewish problem.

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Der Giftpilz (The Poisonous Mushroom) appeared in Germany in 1938 and leaves little question regarding the intended Nazi solution to the "Jewish problem." The book begins innocently enough by describing a favorite German pastime, picking wild mushrooms in the woods. A young boy, Franz, accompanies his mother on a walk in a beautiful, wooded area and helps her gather mushrooms. After carefully describing and showing Franz several varieties of both edible and poisonous mushrooms, his mother compares the good mushrooms to good people and the harmful mushrooms to bad people. The most dangerous people are, of course, the Jews.[13]

Franz proudly announces that he has learned in school that the Jews are bad people. His mother continues her comparison of Jews to mushrooms by emphasizing that, just as poisonous mushrooms are difficult to distinguish from edible ones, it is difficult to differentiate Jews from Non-Jews because Jews can assume many forms. Franz's mother repeatedly alludes to the terrible destructive force of the Jews. One Jew can destroy an entire people because the Jew is the Devil in human form. The Jew poses a deadly threat not only to the survival of the German people but to the survival of the world! It is Germany's obligation to warn the rest of the world about this terrible toadstool and thereby save humanity from destruction. Thus begins one of the most insidious storybooks ever composed for children.


"Rowdy disordelry anti-semitism" would that include inciting the public to attack Jewish people?
https://www.sciencespo.fr/mass-violence ... lence.html
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November 9, 1938: Kristallnacht (“Night of the Broken Glass”).
With help from the Gauleitung of Franconia and its leader Julius Streicher, who was editor-in-chief of Der Stürmer newspaper, as well as from Goebbels, who was Gauleiter of Berlin and Minister of Propaganda, the SA instigated huge pogroms throughout Germany. This was the last and biggest manifestation of what has been called Radauantisemitismus (rowdy, disorderly anti-Semitism).


And yes, sometimes peoples neighbors did actively work against them, as well as the more common passivness
https://www.ushmm.org/teach/teaching-ma ... -neighbors
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Some Were Neighbors
How Was the Holocaust Possible?
Causes and Motivations
Range of Involvement in Events of the Holocaust

After the war many ordinary Germans and Europeans claimed that they were “not involved” in Nazi crimes.1 The construction of such postwar memories—and abdication of any responsibility for what happened—belies the reality of the widespread, sometimes active involvement of people at all levels of German society and beyond.


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11 Feb 2021, 10:18 pm

Here is the question. Was it a site that represents Disney, or was it a site that represents the actress? If she was representing Disney (As in being directly paid for the purpose to represent them by using the site) then Disney has a right to sack her, though here in the UK one has to have a warning first and the second offense is sackable if the individual has done the same thing again.
Now if the internet site was her own personal account which was seperate from Disney then Disney have no rights to sack her for her personal beliefs when she is not working for them, as her time out of work is her time. It is up to her what she does in her own time. (If Disney are claiming that her time out of work is not her own, then what we have here is slavery, and Disney should think again at the way they address their contracts with their staff).


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11 Feb 2021, 10:32 pm

I think that cancel culture is going way too far. When actors and performers start to get canceled, It's time to cancel cancel culture.


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11 Feb 2021, 10:49 pm

A rival company could make this case into a top selling film!


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11 Feb 2021, 10:54 pm

Her post wasn't anti-semitic, but just made in extremely poor taste. Holding people accountable for their choices is not analogous to the first steps on the path to exterminating an ethnic minority. People are so out of touch.



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12 Feb 2021, 6:44 am

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12 Feb 2021, 9:18 am

Well no one forced her to publicly post that being a republican is like having been a jew in the holocaust....that was her choice. Why should Disney be required to continue working with her if they don't want to?


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12 Feb 2021, 9:21 am

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Well no one forced her to publicly post that being a republican is like having been a jew in the holocaust....that was her choice. Why should Disney be required to continue working with her if they don't want to?
Disney has every right to dismiss anyone from their employment, and they do not have to give a reason, either.


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12 Feb 2021, 9:34 am

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Well no one forced her to publicly post that being a republican is like having been a jew in the holocaust....that was her choice. Why should Disney be required to continue working with her if they don't want to?


I must have missed that post (can you provide a link\reference to where I can see it)...I don't recall seeing any post mentioning any specific political affiliation\alignment being like a jew in the holocaust.

There was one that mentioned how encouraging hatred of people for a characteristic (in this case, their political views, with no specific type mentioned) being similar to events before the holocaust where hatred for people was encouraged for a characteristic (in this case, a religion).

Maybe not the best way to discuss how encouraging hatred of people for any given characteristic (race\religion\political affiliation) often leads to violence against that group, but that appears to be the intended message of the post I saw.


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12 Feb 2021, 9:38 am

Brictoria wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Well no one forced her to publicly post that being a republican is like having been a jew in the holocaust....that was her choice. Why should Disney be required to continue working with her if they don't want to?
I must have missed that post (can you provide a link\reference to where I can see it)...
The actress has already deleted it ... too late, however.  Disney can always find another bad-azz woman to play the role.


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12 Feb 2021, 9:56 am

↑ Well, cry me a freaking river, boys!

Where were these people during the last four years?

How does it feel to know that "The Left" can fight back?


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12 Feb 2021, 10:11 am

Brictoria wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Well no one forced her to publicly post that being a republican is like having been a jew in the holocaust....that was her choice. Why should Disney be required to continue working with her if they don't want to?


I must have missed that post (can you provide a link\reference to where I can see it)...I don't recall seeing any post mentioning any specific political affiliation\alignment being like a jew in the holocaust.

There was one that mentioned how encouraging hatred of people for a characteristic (in this case, their political views, with no specific type mentioned) being similar to events before the holocaust where hatred for people was encouraged for a characteristic (in this case, a religion).

Maybe not the best way to discuss how encouraging hatred of people for any given characteristic (race\religion\political affiliation) often leads to violence against that group, but that appears to be the intended message of the post I saw.


I do not think the political affiliation she referred to is much mystery. She was also supporting Q-anon, apparently was insulting to transgender people and making fun of people wearing their masks during the pandemic those things when put together make her look like a Trumper playing the victim.


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12 Feb 2021, 10:18 am

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
A quote of what she posted, I found via Googling. And I'm expecting where she uses the phrase "not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors" it is being used not to say that Nazi soldiers never themselves beat Jewish people but that the beatings referenced were by civilians, not by the soldiers.

Disney tries to maintain a squeaky clean image.

So, the mere *appearance* of something is probably enough.


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