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01 Oct 2021, 7:32 pm

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Submarine letter shows no deception of France
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France’s claim that Australia deceived it over the $90 billion submarine project on the same day as it was cancelled has been challenged.

French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian has accused the Australian government of lying and claimed the Defence Department sent a letter to Paris.

Mr Drian said the letter confirmed the government was ready to sign off on the second phase of the submarine program.

The Weekend Australian, however, has obtained the letter and is reporting it says no such thing.

The document makes no reference to any decision to authorise the next phase and does not even mention it.

The letter instead only states that the French shipbuilder Naval Group had completed a systems review and could now formally leave the review, as is required under the contract.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-ne ... aa28047996


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01 Oct 2021, 8:34 pm

This Iranian guy who does the Caspian Report always does a good thorough job of explaining geopolitics.

I wondered why New Zealand didnt join this new AUKUS club with us, and Australia and Britain. Turns out NZ is too anti nuke to be able to join, and also doesnt like to bad mouth China.



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01 Oct 2021, 11:04 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
I wondered why New Zealand didnt join this new AUKUS club with us, and Australia and Britain. Turns out NZ is too anti nuke to be able to join, and also doesnt like to bad mouth China.


The French polluted the south pacific with their stupid nuclear testing. The damage they did to the ocean ecosystems is a crime. I agree with NZ, you can't trust the French.



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01 Oct 2021, 11:23 pm

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This Iranian guy who does the Caspian Report always does a good thorough job of explaining geopolitics.

I wondered why New Zealand didnt join this new AUKUS club with us, and Australia and Britain. Turns out NZ is too anti nuke to be able to join, and also doesnt like to bad mouth China.


NZ is hiding behind Australia's military skirts and is not pulling its weight.
They can save the expense of significantly contributing to their military, navy, and air force this way is my best bet, though I haven't researched this.

And they leave the heavy lifting against Chinese aggression to us.
Very disappointing and stupid.
If China takes over Australia, NZ is next in a heartbeat.

However, I believe they have given token support to Australia in regards to Chinese trade aggression, recently.

The "NO Nuke" policy is politically convenient now that the circumstances have changed for the worst.
I'd be embarrassed if I were a kiwi.

I am not sure why we would need to harbour our nuclear subs at NZ, btw.


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02 Oct 2021, 10:59 am

Actual footage of a recent summit between Anglosphere diplomats, and France, on this issue.

It didnt go well.



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02 Oct 2021, 12:15 pm

cyberdad wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
I wondered why New Zealand didnt join this new AUKUS club with us, and Australia and Britain. Turns out NZ is too anti nuke to be able to join, and also doesnt like to bad mouth China.


The French polluted the south pacific with their stupid nuclear testing. The damage they did to the ocean ecosystems is a crime. I agree with NZ, you can't trust the French.


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02 Oct 2021, 12:32 pm

Well yeah...of course they lie....they're French.



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02 Oct 2021, 5:07 pm

I can't be the only one who loves to see the French squirm and whine as more of the world recognizes that, geopolitically, they're old news.
They're just so full of themselves--i can't help but feel some schadenfreude at all this.

Australia just knows which way the wind is blowing.


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02 Oct 2021, 7:25 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Actual footage of a recent summit between Anglosphere diplomats, and France, on this issue.

It didnt go well.


Where are the Aussies? :scratch:


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02 Oct 2021, 7:29 pm

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Are all the French that obese? 8O


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02 Oct 2021, 7:32 pm

roronoa79 wrote:
I can't be the only one who loves to see the French squirm and whine as more of the world recognizes that, geopolitically, they're old news.
They're just so full of themselves--i can't help but feel some schadenfreude at all this.

Australia just knows which way the wind is blowing.


Part of the problem is that both France and Australia are heading for an election and both have to play to their respective constituents.

Politics is the obscenity of our existence.
You can blame the covid pandemic on it also.


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02 Oct 2021, 7:41 pm

There is actually very little obesity in France.

But they can be an irritating ally…..that’s for sure.

I’m not talking about French people. Only the leaders of France.



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02 Oct 2021, 7:49 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
There is actually very little obesity in France.

But they can be an irritating ally…..that’s for sure.

I’m not talking about French people. Only the leaders of France.


Their accent is the most beautiful in the world, imo.
Pity about their politics. :mrgreen:

Apparently, they are notorious for turning off the supply if their worldview doesn't match the position of their clients, in a dynamic political environment.
There have been numerous examples of this, in the past.


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02 Oct 2021, 10:49 pm

Pepe wrote:
Misslizard wrote:


Are all the French that obese? 8O

No ,but they do enjoy a good meal.


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03 Oct 2021, 6:37 am

Pepe wrote:
NZ is hiding behind Australia's military skirts and is not pulling its weight.
They can save the expense of significantly contributing to their military, navy, and air force this way is my best bet, though I haven't researched this.

And they leave the heavy lifting against Chinese aggression to us.
Very disappointing and stupid.
If China takes over Australia, NZ is next in a heartbeat.

However, I believe they have given token support to Australia in regards to Chinese trade aggression, recently.

The "NO Nuke" policy is politically convenient now that the circumstances have changed for the worst.
I'd be embarrassed if I were a kiwi.

I am not sure why we would need to harbour our nuclear subs at NZ, btw.


NZ aren't hiding behind anything. They aren't under attack by anyone, and honestly they're too small and remote to be a worthwhile target. NZ are well within their rights to have a more cautious, less militaristic foreign policy, independent to that of Australia. Still, there's plenty of common ground between both countries, so I doubt that this will have any impact on trans-Tasman relations.

You're right about military spending, though. Pre-covid, successive NZ governments have been able to produce budget surpluses by cutting expenses, including cuts to military spending. These days, NZ's military is mostly used in combat support roles (incl. in Afghanistan and Iraq), peacekeeping and disaster relief efforts.


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