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 Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion   Topic: What do you think about Satan being allowed to influence?

Posted: 20 Nov 2022, 5:17 pm 

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If you'll reread my post I said that I think God loves, but I don't see why people seeking to deny the existence of God always put him forth as "loving." I think he loves, I don't think his ways as described in the Bible, are as we see 'loving.' I wonder if there isn’t some subconscious d...

 Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion   Topic: What do you think about Satan being allowed to influence?

Posted: 19 Nov 2022, 4:26 am 

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V Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs. I can get behind every tenet pretty much. The only one I take issue with is this one. It’s not that I’m anti-science. It’s more of “who the hell...

 Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion   Topic: What do you think about Satan being allowed to influence?

Posted: 18 Nov 2022, 6:12 pm 

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V Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs. I can get behind every tenet pretty much. The only one I take issue with is this one. It’s not that I’m anti-science. It’s more of “who the hell...

 Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion   Topic: What do you think about Satan being allowed to influence?

Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 10:44 pm 

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The Epicurean problem of evil isn’t exactly logical. Pretty much any theodicy can stomp a mud hole in the problem of evil and walk it dry. Besides that… The Epicurean problem of evil presupposes so many omnis that should any one of those fall apart so does the problem of evil. All-knowing, all-power...

 Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion   Topic: Moral Relativism and Universal Standards

Posted: 14 Nov 2022, 4:48 am 

Replies: 64
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Objectivists see the inherent value of all individuals. It is in an objectivist’s self-interest to invest in the potential of other people, including those who have fallen on hard times but willing to make themselves valuable. I actually agree with you on this one. I do have what others may conside...

 Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion   Topic: Moral Relativism and Universal Standards

Posted: 13 Nov 2022, 7:20 am 

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There is a problem with developing any form of "Moral Law": exceptions. • "Do Not Murder"?  What about those who kill in self-defense? • "Do Not Steal"?  What about those who have no other means to provide food or medicine for themselves? Why would someone have no mean...

 Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion   Topic: Moral Relativism and Universal Standards

Posted: 13 Nov 2022, 7:08 am 

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Stealing is objectively evil not simply because you are taking what you did not work for, but because your creative effort did not go into taking possession of it, you destroy the value of it. The victim is at a loss, but the thief gains nothing. Theft is irrational, always. And so the destruction ...

 Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion   Topic: Moral Relativism and Universal Standards

Posted: 13 Nov 2022, 6:34 am 

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Stealing is objectively evil not simply because you are taking what you did not work for, but because your creative effort did not go into taking possession of it, you destroy the value of it. The victim is at a loss, but the thief gains nothing. Theft is irrational, always. And so the destruction ...

 Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion   Topic: Moral Relativism and Universal Standards

Posted: 12 Nov 2022, 1:03 pm 

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Personally I think there's a time and place for being a martyr, and I wouldn't feel guilty about evading punishment for a victimless crime. I'm somewhat self-serving and although I'd like to leave the world a better place, I think it's important to get bang for buck, so for example I wouldn't subje...

 Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion   Topic: Moral Relativism and Universal Standards

Posted: 12 Nov 2022, 12:37 pm 

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There is a problem with developing any form of "Moral Law": exceptions. • "Do Not Murder"?  What about those who kill in self-defense? • "Do Not Steal"?  What about those who have no other means to provide food or medicine for themselves? • "Do Not Lie"?  Wha...

 Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion   Topic: Moral Relativism and Universal Standards

Posted: 10 Nov 2022, 1:03 am 

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Oh...and if you knew the Bible you’d know the curse on the ground was already lifted. I went and looked it up. Genesis 8:20-21. After the flood during Noah when God made a covenant with Noah! Well, it looks like you're right on this one. You learn something new everyday. And, there are preachers an...

 Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion   Topic: Moral Relativism and Universal Standards

Posted: 10 Nov 2022, 12:55 am 

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Also: no... you have not conclusively shown that there is such a thing as objective morality, The Holy Trinity of Objectivism is Life, Freedom, and Reason. Anything that affirms those things is objectively good; anything opposed to them is objectively evil. The juxtaposition of good over evil forms...

 Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion   Topic: Moral Relativism and Universal Standards

Posted: 10 Nov 2022, 12:20 am 

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Murder is not simply wrong in a relativistic sense. It is UNIVERSALLY wrong. EVERY culture and society forbids murder. You can try to say murder is relatively wrong, but once murder is allowed you are forced to give up your freedom in fear of retribution. You forfeit your life, in other words. No e...

 Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion   Topic: Moral Relativism and Universal Standards

Posted: 10 Nov 2022, 12:03 am 

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And, if morality is built into nature then why do animals kill other animals for food? Why do some animal species kill and eat their young? And, is the nature of the Frog vs. Seagull vs. Dog the same or are they different because they're different species? If morality can be derived from nature the...

 Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion   Topic: Moral Relativism and Universal Standards

Posted: 09 Nov 2022, 11:47 pm 

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If morality is built into nature then let me ask you this. Why do we need a book that is filled with 1,281 pages to tell all of us what is moral and what is not? Why is the Bible even needed if morality is truthfully built into nature? Why do any of us need and are required to go to church? And, wh...

 Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion   Topic: Moral Relativism and Universal Standards

Posted: 09 Nov 2022, 11:27 pm 

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I'm not sure if I'm an objectivist or not, as I don't know the term, but as an atheist (or hard agnostic if you prefer), I don't think morality exists outside of the mind. I don’t think you’re an objectivist. Objectivism emphasizes objective reality, and external reality which the mind perceives an...
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