The problem of Nazi/Mandatory vaxx and mask comparisons

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16 Oct 2021, 5:37 am

I'm not that sure - if I had e.g. a diabetic or schizophrenic employee whose condition is in control when they take their medication, I would like to be able to react to them not taking their meds - because the consequences of working with uncontrolled condition can be really serious.


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16 Oct 2021, 7:01 am

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Is requiring your employees to wash their hands also a rape-like violation of their bodily freedoms?
Serious question - where are the limit lines?

SpiceWolf are you objecting to government mandates or any requirements at all?


Not sure I understand precisely what you're asking, but :-

I object to coerced medication on ethical grounds.

Medical ethics are one of the fortifications that stands between society and abominations like Mengeles Experiments or Unit 731.

But I consider the coercion of a state wide government mandate, backed by police and paramilitary violence, ruinous fines and other torments to be a vastly more egregious abuse of force than some private employer, some obnoxious J Jonah Jamesson type, threatening to fire you if you don't let him boss you around in your private medical life. With the obnoxious employer you have, in the final case, the option of telling him to take his job and shove it, even if that is not an easy or cost free choice for you.

Yet society and law widely accepts that threatening to fire your secretary if she doesn't fellate you, is a suffient coercion to invalidate consent. While there is this very pronounced double standard with regards to this particular vaccine.



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16 Oct 2021, 9:26 am

We will never get out from under this Pandemic if we don’t get ourselves vaccinated.

Comparing mask mandates to Nazism is absurd…..especially to one who has studied the Nazis extensively.

Unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to die of COVID than unvaccinated people.



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16 Oct 2021, 10:55 am

SpiceWolf wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
magz wrote:
Is requiring your employees to wash their hands also a rape-like violation of their bodily freedoms?
Serious question - where are the limit lines?

SpiceWolf are you objecting to government mandates or any requirements at all?


Not sure I understand precisely what you're asking, but :-

I object to coerced medication on ethical grounds.

Medical ethics are one of the fortifications that stands between society and abominations like Mengeles Experiments or Unit 731.

But I consider the coercion of a state wide government mandate, backed by police and paramilitary violence, ruinous fines and other torments to be a vastly more egregious abuse of force than some private employer, some obnoxious J Jonah Jamesson type, threatening to fire you if you don't let him boss you around in your private medical life. With the obnoxious employer you have, in the final case, the option of telling him to take his job and shove it, even if that is not an easy or cost free choice for you.

Yet society and law widely accepts that threatening to fire your secretary if she doesn't fellate you, is a suffient coercion to invalidate consent. While there is this very pronounced double standard with regards to this particular vaccine.

You answered the question which was about private companies deciding they want only vaccinated employees.

Would you favor undoing decades of policy and having the government drop all vaccine requirements to enter school?

Fines are happening but paramilitary violence and police arresting refusnicks is not happaning.

Double standards in what coercion is illegal are not uncommon. An employer may threaten to fire you unless you stop making political videos, but requiring employees to change their religion is illegal.


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18 Oct 2021, 7:30 pm

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I don't think I can think of anything to add to that. It's great. :lol:



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18 Oct 2021, 10:50 pm

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Ivermectin works! The fish tank cleaner works! Hydroxychloroquinine works! Vaccines work! They all work!

But... the first three weren't sponsored by the rotten, filthy, disgusting George Soros, while the vaccines were. (Good god, I hope he dies soon, so I can shart my diarrhea on his grave.) That's why liberal sheep supports the vaccines and trash the other three.



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19 Oct 2021, 8:03 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Would you favor undoing decades of policy and having the government drop all vaccine requirements to enter school?


In Australia, the schools policy is a compromise.

Vaccination is the default, but if you have strong, moral, religious or medical concerns, you can gain an exemption via a process that is involved enough to not be a "tick a box" thing, but not so onerous as to impose a barrier on people with sincere concerns. Also, the vaccines mandated by the schools program have been around for decades, so we have as good a safety profile on them as we will ever get.

That system is a compromise I can live with as it doesn't impose on those with strong convictions, while setting a default for people who don't really care either way.

If the system being used for Covid was the same as the system used in schools in Australia, I wouldn't have such a huge problem with it.

But, the mandates in Victoria, do not permit religious exemptions, nor moral or ethical exemptions and the medical exemption requirements are so extreme that medical exemptions exist more in theory than in practice.

They are also building what is, at it's core, a Chinese style Social Credit System to enforce this vaccine apartheid.

Even if I had no safety concerns about these vaccines, even if these vaccines were perfect and flawless, the system being used to mandate them, is now so totalitarian, and so utterly draconian, that I would be forced to oppose it even if I was vaccinated.

Take Hep A/B, I'm fully vaccinated against Hep A/B, but if they brought in this mandate system for the Hepatitis vaccine, I would rip up my vaccine certificate.

Not because I think the Hep vaccine is bad, the Hep A/B vaccine is marvelous. But I will not support or cooperate with this kind of neo-fascism with it's internal passports, social credit scores etc.



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21 Oct 2021, 5:33 am

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Spoken like a real Conservative! Respect to you! :thumright: (Given the French words and North American emblems, this meme might be from Quebec or Newfoundland and Labrador.)

After seeing this, I'm saddened that so many members on this site still support liberal politicians. Democrats are not our friends! They pander to those who leech off our tax money, and screw over the rest! How would you if your store was looted, and your mayor and your governor gave the looters political support and George Soros's money, along with whatever they took from your store and the damage the did to it? Wake the hell up! We're aspies! You should know better!

Oh, and I'm fully vaccinated. So you have no leverage over me in that regard, liberals. Shove that in your pipe and smoke it.



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22 Oct 2021, 3:16 am

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Spoken like a real Conservative! Respect to you! :thumright: (Given the French words and North American emblems, this meme might be from Quebec or Newfoundland and Labrador.)

After seeing this, I'm saddened that so many members on this site still support liberal politicians. Democrats are not our friends! They pander to those who leech off our tax money, and screw over the rest! How would you if your store was looted, and your mayor and your governor gave the looters political support and George Soros's money, along with whatever they took from your store and the damage the did to it? Wake the hell up! We're aspies! You should know better!

Oh, and I'm fully vaccinated. So you have no leverage over me in that regard, liberals. Shove that in your pipe and smoke it.
No one has leverage over anyone here, friend. We're chatting on a message board, and that really only amounts to having a conversation. Anyways, you've made it quite clear that you have strong political views, and I can't see any good coming out of engaging you much further. Well, that and this is an ASD forum, so I'm not exactly here for war.

You do realize that not every member of an activist group advocating for change is a vandal or a looter, or condones those actions, right? Being in support of equality and respect for one another does not equate to being in support of looting and vandalizing. I do feel bad for businesses that have been affected by such actions, and hopefully they were able to be compensated for what happened to them, but there are plenty of people who peacefully protest and assemble only for a cause they believe in. I just looked up this George Soros guy, and he can do what he wishes with his money.

Personally, as an Aspie, I tend to feel more marginalized by Conservative governments than I do by Liberal governments, and as I do perceive myself as belonging to a marginalized group, I kind of sympathize with other such groups, even as a straight White guy. As I want others to be more understanding of neurodiversity, I do my best to understand the contexts under which other groups operate, even if there's no actual way for me to walk a mile in their shoes.

I'm only stating why I think the way I do though. You clearly see the world differently than I do, and...that's cool, I guess.



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30 Nov 2021, 3:36 pm

Anti-Defamation League and Auschwitz Museum condemn Fox host for comparing Fauci to Nazi doctor who performed medical experiments at death camp

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Lara Logan, a Fox News personality and host on its streaming service, was condemned by prominent Jewish groups and the Auschwitz Museum after she compared Dr. Anthony Fauci to a Nazi doctor infamous for performing medical experiments at the Auschwitz death camp.

In an appearance on "Fox News Primetime" Monday, Logan said that people have told her that Fauci doesn't represent science, but represents Josef Mengele, the Nazi doctor who became known as the "Angel of Death" for the atrocities he committed.

"I am talking about people all across the world are saying this," Logan claimed, providing zero evidence to support her wild assertion.

Fox News did not respond.

But elsewhere, the reaction was swift, with top organizations calling out Logan's comments as reprehensible.


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