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Who is sexier?
Vigilans 38%  38%  [ 11 ]
pandabear 17%  17%  [ 5 ]
Someone who is not Vigilans or pandabear 45%  45%  [ 13 ]
Total votes : 29

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06 Mar 2012, 8:11 pm

An anonymous source sent me these damning photographs...

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hey baby... I serve the coffee around here... want something hot and black inside ya?

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Yes please!

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Excuse me this is a clean, Christian forum where this kind of thing is not tolerated whatsoever


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06 Mar 2012, 8:38 pm

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Ruveyn swears he's a liberal but it's hard to tell that by his posts.

He's a libertarian. I suppose he might be called a classical liberal as well, but that concept is so far divorced from modern social liberalism and even neoliberalism that calling him a liberal is ridiculous.



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06 Mar 2012, 8:43 pm

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He's a libertarian. I suppose he might be called a classical liberal as well, but that concept is so far divorced from modern social liberalism and even neoliberalism that calling him a liberal is ridiculous.


I'm a classical liberal. I do still very much classify myself as being a liberal.

The problem is that the term 'liberal' has been hijacked by social democrats/social liberals, rather than the classical liberals/libertarians it was originally meant to represent.



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06 Mar 2012, 8:48 pm

So, just Raptor in the poll, then?


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06 Mar 2012, 8:49 pm

Vigilans wrote:
An anonymous source sent me these damning photographs...
Excuse me this is a clean, Christian forum where this kind of thing is not tolerated whatsoever


This only serves to prove that I'm the sexy one. :)


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06 Mar 2012, 8:52 pm

pandabear wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
An anonymous source sent me these damning photographs...
Excuse me this is a clean, Christian forum where this kind of thing is not tolerated whatsoever


This only serves to prove that I'm the sexy one. :)


You're definitely getting the sexually repressed gay evangelical vote now!


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06 Mar 2012, 8:52 pm

Tequila wrote:
AstroGeek wrote:
He's a libertarian. I suppose he might be called a classical liberal as well, but that concept is so far divorced from modern social liberalism and even neoliberalism that calling him a liberal is ridiculous.


I'm a classical liberal. I do still very much classify myself as being a liberal.

The problem is that the term 'liberal' has been hijacked by social democrats/social liberals, rather than the classical liberals/libertarians it was originally meant to represent.


The problem, of course, is that ruveyn has various illiberal viewpoints (one of the most egregious being that it makes sense to deploy massive amounts of nukes instead of conventional ground troops as well as various Roman-esque authoritarian ideas about how to run administrations).

Regardless, libertarians often overestimate their supposedly synonymous status with "classical liberals", as quite a few enlightenment liberals did express proto-Rooseveltian/Rawlsian ideals. A very far cry from the bastardly extremism and naivete of capitalist libertarians today.


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06 Mar 2012, 8:55 pm

I ask the jury: is this, indeed, sexy?

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06 Mar 2012, 9:05 pm

Tequila wrote:
The problem is that the term 'liberal' has been hijacked by social democrats/social liberals, rather than the classical liberals/libertarians it was originally meant to represent.


Not true. The word "liberal" has always referred simply to somebody who advocates freedom and takes a stand against entrenched power. The idea that negative freedom is the only freedom worth fighting for is a very modern formulation, and (I think) a nonsensical one. Power is power, whether it is wielded by a corporation, or by a state, or by both acting in unison.

If a modern capitalist-libertarian met an old-fashioned liberal, the latter would denounce the former as a reactionary and a willing servant of the powerful.



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06 Mar 2012, 10:12 pm

Tequila wrote:
AstroGeek wrote:
He's a libertarian. I suppose he might be called a classical liberal as well, but that concept is so far divorced from modern social liberalism and even neoliberalism that calling him a liberal is ridiculous.


I'm a classical liberal. I do still very much classify myself as being a liberal.

The problem is that the term 'liberal' has been hijacked by social democrats/social liberals, rather than the classical liberals/libertarians it was originally meant to represent.

I don't think that social democrats are usually referred to as liberals, are they? Outside of social issues, that is, but saying that you are liberal on social issues is quite different from saying you're a liberal. And I think when you look at the history, the term liberal hasn't so much been hijacked as the old liberal groups have evolved (whether for better or for worse is an interpretation that I will leave up to the reader).



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07 Mar 2012, 2:11 pm

Whom is a regular and who is "other"?



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07 Mar 2012, 2:49 pm

^ Do you want to be in this poll, shrox?


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07 Mar 2012, 3:00 pm

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^ Do you want to be in this poll, shrox?


Ohh, well. I am not supposed to covet...but you sure make a tempting offer...

That way I won't wonder so much WTF is up with the women here in Eureka...



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07 Mar 2012, 3:15 pm

is that a yes?


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07 Mar 2012, 3:21 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
is that a yes?


No, this poll is for Vigilans or pandabear, or even Someone who is not Vigilans or pandabear.

Thank you though.



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07 Mar 2012, 9:06 pm

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Vote for me and pandabear will violently destroy 90s era desktop computers!


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