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02 Oct 2016, 6:01 am

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^^^^that bird sounds like he is talking in bird dialect and saying "WTF???"


Pretty much my guess, a couple of the others were occasionally crying alarm of predator/danger while the cockatoo on the door was being more like saying that expression and a few other similar things.


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02 Oct 2016, 6:07 am

Here are a couple more by that guy in Australia who's been living with this craziness for years:




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02 Oct 2016, 10:53 am

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I fancy myself a Christian, and I don't give most supernatural investigations much credence, if any at all. In fact, my wife and I enjoy watching shows on that subject while drinking. :lol:
Jesus did turn water into wine afterall so I think it's quite alright for Christians to drink


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02 Oct 2016, 11:04 am

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I am so tired though.
You seem like a geniune guy but dont be too overbearing man, that can only drive people farther away from you. I try to live by this:

“In the end, only three things matter: how much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things not meant for you.”

I hope you can find the answers that work for you but don't let your stepdad abuse you. Sounds like a jerk, My stepdad is also a abusive ass, so I totally understand. I had to get away from damage, because its like next to near impossible to better yourself dealing with f-up.


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02 Oct 2016, 2:31 pm

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Iamaparakeet wrote:
I am so tired though.
You seem like a geniune guy but dont be too overbearing man, that can only drive people farther away from you. I try to live by this:

“In the end, only three things matter: how much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things not meant for you.”

I hope you can find the answers that work for you but don't let your stepdad abuse you. Sounds like a jerk, My stepdad is also a abusive ass, so I totally understand. I had to get away from damage, because its like next to near impossible to better yourself dealing with f-up.



I'm not sure how I'm being overbearing, but thanks for the rest of what you said. I see my current life choices like this:

1. God has provided for me regardless of not being able to find paying work since I fell off my bike in the road in June last year a few days after Jackie divorced me, so staying here and trusting in Him to continue providing and not worry makes sense that way, plus I get to keep my birds and stay in the home Jackie and I last lived in together and hopefully God will bring us back together soon.

2. I could live with my stepdad, but I'd have to give up my birds and he'll also require me to sign a contract allowing him to throw me away again whenever he feels angry, so I might as well just be homeless rather than have that intermediary step of drama.

3. I could live with my sister Ruthanne in San Antonio TX, a major city as WW3 approaches and where my brother Joel was murdered by gangsters in a drive-by shooting back in 1995, and I'd also have to give up my birds who I've cared for since 2000.

So, really the only option is to stay put and trust in God as per Matthew 6:25-34 and hope in Him that He'll bring Jackie and me back together sooner rather than later as He brought us together as per Mark 10:1-12. I just have to trust in Him and not give up I think.

Still, it would be nice if it were possible to test electromagnetic weapons on demons and see if any would have any effect, but they probably wouldn't have any effect, still it would be good to make them pay for how they sadistically mess with people and encourage them to do horrible things to each other and to fellow creatures we're supposed to care for - like the 200 million baby chickens which are ground up alive yearly in the USA alone, that is just plain evil and I don't see how anyone can seriously not see that's evil unless they're literally a psychopath because killing babies just doesn't get "right" even if it's "practical" in the eyes of money-worshipers.


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02 Oct 2016, 5:48 pm

This has some repeat clips from other lists, but still interesting.


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02 Oct 2016, 6:09 pm

At timestamp 5:21 there's another event that happened with that poor bird watching, just the TV bouncing around on its own and nothing violent per se, but messing with a human and an animal nonetheless which would cause fear and questioning sanity in most and potentially heart attacks due to fear or stokes due to frustration at being bothered relentlessly like fighter pilots buzzing poor cows.


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02 Oct 2016, 6:48 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
I fancy myself a Christian, and I don't give most supernatural investigations much credence, if any at all. In fact, my wife and I enjoy watching shows on that subject while drinking. :lol:
Jesus did turn water into wine afterall so I think it's quite alright for Christians to drink


It certain is! But don't tell that to the fundies and holy rollers! :lol:


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02 Oct 2016, 6:49 pm

Theologically I think the Bible is silent about the topic of "cursed objects", or perhaps they're like how Paul talked about idols in 1st Corinthians, but is it just superstitious nonsense, is it demons playing along with superstitous nonsense because they've got nothing better to do or whatnot, or what else could it be through a Biblical perspective? Here's a clip that's somewhat interesting, so what are your thoughts?


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02 Oct 2016, 7:06 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
richardbenson wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I fancy myself a Christian, and I don't give most supernatural investigations much credence, if any at all. In fact, my wife and I enjoy watching shows on that subject while drinking. :lol:
Jesus did turn water into wine afterall so I think it's quite alright for Christians to drink


It certain is! But don't tell that to the fundies and holy rollers! :lol:


Even Paul who wrote 1st Corinthians 6:9 wrote to Timothy saying it was okay for him to drink wine for his stomach. Prior to Paul condemning drunkeness there, there was only Solomon's book of Proverbs having a few verses saying it's not good for rulers to be drunkards and such and such about it being unwise - but not sinful. I have never been drunk myself, but I don't consider it wrong. Like Paul in 1st Corinthians 7:12 said "...I say this (I, and not the Lord)...", which indicates he does that and probably regarding drinking too. The rest of the Bible doesn't call it sin but just talks about how drunkeness causes problems. I don't drink alcohol myself, except for the few times people have given me a can of beer when I've asked for a soda and I've never been drunk, but still I don't believe it's sinful intrinsically, just have to be careful about not making bad decisions, like driving or doing dangerous stuff, while impaired. I'm not the final authority, the Bible interpreted correctly should be, but in my opinion it's okayish.


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02 Oct 2016, 10:13 pm

IMHO it really depends what kind of Christian you are.

If you happen to veer more in the direction of solo scriptura and that all facts outside the bible need to be orchestrated to fit modern nondenominational protestant understandings of the bible - I think rather than any concern over demons, being a paranormal investigator would be a pointless exercise. If you believe and have a way of organizing your life around that belief you're living by a deposit, you plan to live until the day you die by that deposit. If a person is deeply committed to that route then there's nothing to tease out - God's real, angels and demons exist, weird things happen regularly that stand outside the realm of scientific inquiry, grass is usually green, a clear sky is generally blue, and water if it's not frozen is wet.

If someone happens to be more of a universalist or inclusivist and holds a more abstract and less dogmatic Christianity, I don't think it would be as much of a problem but I still wouldn't understand it. They might get a lot out of Boehme, they might really enjoy the works of Swedenborg, but why they'd have any real desire to run around dark abandoned buildings with weird gadgets would be beyond me.


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02 Oct 2016, 10:35 pm

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...why they'd have any real desire to run around dark abandoned buildings with weird gadgets would be beyond me.


I'd want to see if its real for myself and test weapons on them to see if there's any technological way of fighting them. Casting them out in Jesus' Name to send them away to wherever is cool, but if there were a way to give the demons a taste of their own medicine it would be worth a try.


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03 Oct 2016, 12:22 am

Haven't watched beyond the first one (video clip is after the narration with still frames), but that is rather freaky if not faked. Someone inside it, robot, faked otherwise, or real and thus demons messing with people probably out of boredom?


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03 Oct 2016, 12:26 am

The supernatural is very real parakeet. You cannot expect a religion you have deemed 'right' over others to be the only true one form of dealing with it.

Every society has ghost stories and hauntings. Plus how to deal with them, making blanket statements like "only diamonds are found on earth and nowhere else!" are just not true

This is the same statement. Only you are trying to use your favorite human religion to explain it

The paranormal is very real. its all real, I once heard a person tell me I was the universe, having a "human" experience. And I believe it

There is no wrong answer here and when you die I believe you go back into it, but are separate having full consciousness of who you were on earth, like you could take any form really and move freely throughout all of creation.

People, Humanity, are the only things that are political. The Source of which I believe we all come from isn't. Its kinda like if you imagine a Tree. The tree itself doesnt care which way the leaves blow, or the way the branches sway. Because we all come from the same tree and its really irrelevant

I think demons and everything "negative" in human terms is just all the same, comes from the same "source" we all good and bad come from the same place.

The place that does not judge, or condemn. Only Loves :heart:


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03 Oct 2016, 1:15 am

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The supernatural is very real parakeet. You cannot expect a religion you have deemed 'right' over others to be the only true one form of dealing with it.

Every society has ghost stories and hauntings. Plus how to deal with them, making blanket statements like "only diamonds are found on earth and nowhere else!" are just not true

This is the same statement. Only you are trying to use your favorite human religion to explain it

The paranormal is very real. its all real, I once heard a person tell me I was the universe, having a "human" experience. And I believe it

There is no wrong answer here and when you die I believe you go back into it, but are separate having full consciousness of who you were on earth, like you could take any form really and move freely throughout all of creation.

People, Humanity, are the only things that are political. The Source of which I believe we all come from isn't. Its kinda like if you imagine a Tree. The tree itself doesnt care which way the leaves blow, or the way the branches sway. Because we all come from the same tree and its really irrelevant

I think demons and everything "negative" in human terms is just all the same, comes from the same "source" we all good and bad come from the same place.

The place that does not judge, or condemn. Only Loves :heart:


Like I said earlier, I saw my dad raised by to life by prayer to God in Jesus' name, so that along with messianic prophecies being written centuries before Christ lead me to believe Christianity is true.

This was written about 700 years before Christ died on the Cross and is also in the Dead Sea Scrolls:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+53

So, if Christianity is true, then via the law of noncontradiction then anything truly contrary to it must be false. It's not like saying diamonds are only on Earth, it's more like saying that the oceans on Titan are made of methane and not water. Earth might be the only planet with artificial elements like plutonium on it though, unless God created human intelligence level aliens somewhere out there and all the other prerequisites for such technology elsewhere in the universe.


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03 Oct 2016, 1:17 am

This is one of Jackie's favorite Youtube shows and the last one is fairly freaky, though so is the one before it:


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