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07 Dec 2020, 8:14 pm

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I always liked Vox Day's "five stages of corporate convergence."

Convergence describes the degree to which an organization prioritizes social justice. There are five stages of corporate convergence:

1. Infiltrated. The corporation has been entered by people devoted to social justice, but they do not have any significant influence or authority within the company. Employees are hired, fired, and promoted on the basis of either merit or connections. The marketing tends to reflect the company's products and services.

2. Lightly Converged. The social justice infiltrators have begun to move into their preferred areas, such as Human Resources and Marketing, but they don't have any real influence over the corporation's policies or corporate strategies. The company starts to make occasional noises about "outreach" and "diversity", but doesn't actually change its employment practices. The marketing is still mostly about the company's products, but now features improbably diverse scenarios.

3. Moderately Converged. Social justice advocates now control Human Resources, which is used as a corporate high ground to exert influence over other departments as well as the executive team. The corporate marketing begins to devote more attention to signaling corporate virtue than selling its products. Managers are encouraged to hire diverse candidates and to stop holding low-performance employees accountable. HR begins holding mandatory awareness sessions and hiring diversity consultants. The corporation's customer service begins to go downhill.

4. Heavily Converged. Social justice advocates now control the corporate high ground and the strategic centers. Significant elements of the executive team and the board are devoted to social justice, often in a very public manner. Implicit hiring quotas are imposed and it becomes almost impossible to fire anyone for anything short of murder in the workplace. HR openly dictates corporate policy to employees, often without consulting the executives. The marketing materials not only signal corporate virtue, but openly advocate various social justice issues. The corporation shows indifference to its core customer base and begins to obsess over new markets that mostly exist in its imagination.

5. Fully Converged. The corporation devotes significant resources to social causes that have absolutely nothing to do with its core business activities. Human Resources is transformed into a full Inquisition, imposing its policies without restraint and striking fear into everyone from the Chairman of the Board on down. The CEO regularly mouths social justice platitudes in the place of corporate strategies and the marketing materials are so full of virtue-signaling and social justice advocacy that it becomes difficult to tell from them what the company actually does or sells. The corporation now shows open contempt for its customers.


Even if I took the time to deconstruct all the garbage and nonsense present in this corporate convergence baloney, nobody here would read it, simply because it would have to be several pages long. But hey, if anyone does, let me know and I'll take the time. Suffice to say, if a business ever tried to actually "run" itself like this, it would fail before it got past step 3, if not sooner. It's certainly a wordy conspiracy, and I'd wager that makes it at least look viable to those who don't know better, but it's little more than a fanfic about "evil liberals and their conspiracy to hand the world over to minorities at the expense of the population". It is not based in reality, aside for the barest amount necessary to make it not completely untrue.



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07 Dec 2020, 8:54 pm

In our company, we do all of those things & it helps us do business with everybody. In no way is it distracting to be objective about working with everyone. It's not a critical thinking problem to dissect why people can work together, it's bias-based overthinking that's not part of anyone's real job description. Being a stick in the mud is the same thing no matter how you politically spin it.

Come back to me when you have an example of political correctness destroying a 13,000 person company & perhaps I'll believe you.


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07 Dec 2020, 8:55 pm

Mikah wrote:
5. Fully Converged. The corporation devotes significant resources to social causes that have absolutely nothing to do with its core business activities. Human Resources is transformed into a full Inquisition, imposing its policies without restraint and striking fear into everyone from the Chairman of the Board on down. The CEO regularly mouths social justice platitudes in the place of corporate strategies and the marketing materials are so full of virtue-signaling and social justice advocacy that it becomes difficult to tell from them what the company actually does or sells. The corporation now shows open contempt for its customers.[/i]


I'm curious if you could provide one example of a private company (please don't use foundations, companies with the word "ethical" in their description, NGOs, NFPs or charities) that actually puts social justice ahead of company profits??



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07 Dec 2020, 9:09 pm

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Human resources have to a large extent, been taken over by the political left who favour positive discrimination towards minority groups.
From what I heard, graduates from some humanities courses have few opportunities to find employment other than jobs such as in "Human Resources".

Once there, they create an enclave of like thinking people, until the culture of the business has virtually been taken over.
This type of left-wing political coup has happened in the Australian ABC, and so much for diversity of thought.

It is a problem in many businesses these days, EA, the computer game entertainment company, being just another victim. That left-wing culture virtually destroyed Battlefield 5 because of the SJW interference.

You have to hand it to the left of politics.
They plan ahead. 8)


Almost all medium-large organisations follow the principles of best practice Pepe. Under best practice they establish human resource departments to engage in talent search/staff recruitment. They create standard position descriptions which seek staff who are both competent in terms of skills but also have exceptional/outstanding communication and capacity for teamwork. These three things are universal.

The probability that an HR department would be screening potential applicants for socialist values is almost zero. This is why the allegations made by the liberal party about the ABC and universities being a hive/hornets nest of left wing agitators is quite untrue. My best guess is that the Libs wanted to interfere with how broadcasters portray their party to the public so created that narrative to interfere with the running of the ABC.

That highly intelligent people in the ABC and/or universities are naturally drawn toward social justice is only natural as such people also tend to be more ethical (a number of professions teach ethics as part of professional practice).



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07 Dec 2020, 10:58 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Mikah wrote:
5. Fully Converged. The corporation devotes significant resources to social causes that have absolutely nothing to do with its core business activities. Human Resources is transformed into a full Inquisition, imposing its policies without restraint and striking fear into everyone from the Chairman of the Board on down. The CEO regularly mouths social justice platitudes in the place of corporate strategies and the marketing materials are so full of virtue-signaling and social justice advocacy that it becomes difficult to tell from them what the company actually does or sells. The corporation now shows open contempt for its customers.[/i]


I'm curious if you could provide one example of a private company (please don't use foundations, companies with the word "ethical" in their description, NGOs, NFPs or charities) that actually puts social justice ahead of company profits??


Off the top of my head... Gillette?


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07 Dec 2020, 11:04 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
Mikah wrote:
5. Fully Converged. The corporation devotes significant resources to social causes that have absolutely nothing to do with its core business activities. Human Resources is transformed into a full Inquisition, imposing its policies without restraint and striking fear into everyone from the Chairman of the Board on down. The CEO regularly mouths social justice platitudes in the place of corporate strategies and the marketing materials are so full of virtue-signaling and social justice advocacy that it becomes difficult to tell from them what the company actually does or sells. The corporation now shows open contempt for its customers.[/i]


I'm curious if you could provide one example of a private company (please don't use foundations, companies with the word "ethical" in their description, NGOs, NFPs or charities) that actually puts social justice ahead of company profits??


Off the top of my head... Gillette?


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07 Dec 2020, 11:18 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Human resources have to a large extent, been taken over by the political left who favour positive discrimination towards minority groups.
From what I heard, graduates from some humanities courses have few opportunities to find employment other than jobs such as in "Human Resources".

Once there, they create an enclave of like thinking people, until the culture of the business has virtually been taken over.
This type of left-wing political coup has happened in the Australian ABC, and so much for diversity of thought.

It is a problem in many businesses these days, EA, the computer game entertainment company, being just another victim. That left-wing culture virtually destroyed Battlefield 5 because of the SJW interference.

You have to hand it to the left of politics.
They plan ahead. 8)


Almost all medium-large organisations follow the principles of best practice Pepe. Under best practice they establish human resource departments to engage in talent search/staff recruitment. They create standard position descriptions which seek staff who are both competent in terms of skills but also have exceptional/outstanding communication and capacity for teamwork. These three things are universal.


Have a chat with Andrew, and company.
You seem *not* to be on the same page. :wink:

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The probability that an HR department would be screening potential applicants for socialist values is almost zero.


Evidence. :mrgreen:

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This is why the allegations made by the liberal party about the ABC and universities being a hive/hornets nest of left wing agitators is quite untrue.


We will have to agree to disagree.
I have seen the left-wing bias, first hand, on the ABC.
I used to watch it all the time, for political balance, but I'm so disgusted by its left-wing partisanship, I *literally* refuse to watch it any longer. :thumbdown:

And regarding the feral uni students, do you ever watch the news? 8O

Sorry mate, you don't have a hope in Ell MacPherson's underpants, in convincing me. :mrgreen:

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My best guess is that the Libs wanted to interfere with how broadcasters portray their party to the public so created that narrative to interfere with the running of the ABC.


It is time to privatise the ABC.
I am sick to death of my tax dollars going to an organisation which flouts its charter to be unbiased.
Not one conservative presenter to be seen on the panel.
That must say something, surely. 8O

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That highly intelligent people in the ABC and/or universities are naturally drawn toward social justice is only natural as such people also tend to be more ethical (a number of professions teach ethics as part of professional practice).


:lmao:
Good one. :wink:


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07 Dec 2020, 11:56 pm

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We will have to agree to disagree.
I have seen the left-wing bias, first hand, on the ABC.
I used to watch it all the time, for political balance, but I'm so disgusted by its left-wing partisanship, I *literally* refuse to watch it any longer. :thumbdown: :


The ABC has been fighting to demonstrate they remain impartial in reporting the news objectively. They have survived against a constant attack from the Libs alleging leftwing bias for years. The Libs had three victories in recent years against the ABC i) they have managed to appoint their own people as managing directors of the ABC namely Michelle Guthrie and now ita Buttrose ii) under these two the ABC has been shedding staff and stations under the guise of "corporate austerity" reducing their capacity to report/investigate corruption particularly in big business whom are the Libs masters are and iii) the Libs got ASIO to harass ABC journalists over investigations into the conduct of Australian soldiers in Afghanistan and strangely a year later the Dept of defence were forced to reveal a cover up over war crimes. This sends a message toi the ABC journalists to not poke their nose into the affairs of the Australian liberal government and its dirty little secrets



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It is time to privatise the ABC.
I am sick to death of my tax dollars going to an organisation which flouts its charter to be unbiased.
Not one conservative presenter to be seen on the panel.
That must say something, surely. 8O


Not going to happen. The National Party are the biggest supporters of the ABC as its rural voter base depend on the ABC for country/regional news. The irony is that the latte sipping snobs in the liberal party can't piss off their allies in the national party so to echo the mantra "hands-off our ABC". Let's keep it independent, who wants somebody like Rupert Murdoch running the ABC.



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08 Dec 2020, 12:21 am

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Companies can't afford it. Shareholders don't allow it.


...You want a more current example? I'm not sure where this is going any more. I initially assumed you were just blanket disagreeing with the notion of corporate convergence. I mean Gillette or whoever owns them survived after taking a major financial kicking, but was that episode not a good example of a company putting social justice above profit?


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08 Dec 2020, 12:24 am

Mikah wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Not anymore
https://onenewsnow.com/business/2019/08 ... ulinity-ad

Companies can't afford it. Shareholders don't allow it.


...You want a more current example? I'm not sure where this is going any more. I initially assumed you were just blanket disagreeing with the notion of corporate convergence. I mean Gillette or whoever owns them survived after taking a major financial kicking, but was that episode not a good example of a company putting social justice above profit?


Its no secret that ethical business = lost profits

the theory doesn't (and never has) worked in terms of working for corporate interest so it seems preposterous to push a narrative that SJWs have crept into HR departments of major companies.



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08 Dec 2020, 12:35 am

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Its no secret that ethical business = lost profits

the theory doesn't (and never has) worked in terms of working for corporate interest so it seems preposterous to push a narrative that SJWs have crept into HR departments of major companies.


So it's wrong because companies would never do anything that hurt the bottom line?


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08 Dec 2020, 12:56 am

Mikah wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Its no secret that ethical business = lost profits

the theory doesn't (and never has) worked in terms of working for corporate interest so it seems preposterous to push a narrative that SJWs have crept into HR departments of major companies.


So it's wrong because companies would never do anything that hurt the bottom line?


I'm saying it doesn't matter what you and I think, the shareholders needs come first, not the wider community.



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08 Dec 2020, 1:37 am

If it looks like the ABC does not have conservative people on it, that is because the ABC actually cares about doing the truth and is unaffected by private interests. If you are thinking that something like Sky News is a bastion of news ethics you are fooling yourself. Pretty much every news source other than the ABC is influenced by rich business interests that have incentives to not rock the boat for rich elites, and be able to make its news a parcel to influence people to buy things from their donors.

This is why conservative bias is in infected into every other news source that would rather scapegoat than look at actual problems, care about the truly disenfranchised, and take a hard look at certain things that might require rethinking things we are proud of. The conservative party is all about lower taxes for the rich, so of course all of the news sources owned by the rich are going to be a little more bias in favour of such conservative views, where they might avoid looking too bad for social problems.

People used to privilege tend to see equality as suppression, which is why people with conservative points of view an actual source that cares about things like the truth, resistant to bias from private interests, as some sort of oppression, which just goes to show what sort of problem with unbias sources you might have.

Plus as far as I am aware, ABC pays pretty poorly, so journalists and such that work in the ABC have to care a bit more about things rather than getting paid, which should probably say another thing why it has so few conservatives.


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08 Dec 2020, 1:47 am

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This is why conservative bias is in infected into every other news source that would rather scapegoat than look at actual problems, care about the truly disenfranchised, and take a hard look at certain things that might require rethinking things we are proud of.


Might be different in Australia, in the U.S. the media as a whole has a demonstrable liberal tilt. Of course some individual outlets are biased the other way.

Given my theory of the bias source is occupation selection bias, it would follow that Australian news outlets would follow a similar pattern, although I don't have data to back this up.


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08 Dec 2020, 7:19 am

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Might be different in Australia, in the U.S. the media as a whole has a demonstrable liberal tilt. Of course some individual outlets are biased the other way.

Given my theory of the bias source is occupation selection bias, it would follow that Australian news outlets would follow a similar pattern, although I don't have data to back this up.


I would think that there is a difference of observation in what one considers Left or Right. In a way I would even say you are correct, the media has a liberal tilt in the fact that our conservative party is actually called Liberal, and culturally it is along the lines that people have liberal freedom to do what they want, which mostly means less regulation, the rich do what they want, and not have to care about social problems.

Our cultural differences from America include that organised religion is much less of a thing here in Australia. Sure you can get some religious virtue signaling and if pressed politicians are probably meant to say they are some element of Christian/Catholic, there is even a fairly large religious school near me. But it kind of has a smaller element of everyday life, and generally I don't think plays well in public discourse like the news, unless trying to scare others about Muslims.

In general here in Australian news, I think there is an element to not really talk about things that much, not creating big waves, which really plays into conservative mindsets of not looking if anyone is being oppressed. It otherwise becomes pretty easy for news to just virtue signal in current affair shows about this household product is dangerous, this single tradie is ripping people off, and this old lady is really nice and needs some help. Ways to look like there is an addressing of problems, without anything really systematic. Nothing that might really bring into question what the people at the top are doing. It also stands that we have medicare for all, so there is that element of problems that don't need reporting.

My observation of American news is that it has all that inane stuff also, but it goes further in so many competing narratives in trying to get attention to sell. But even more you have such a large portion of your population are so anti-fact, that any level a semi-reasonable press source is going to seem like it is "liberal" or leaning Left. Your right wing goes so off things like Covid being a hoax that any facts at all have somehow seemed radical, despite the fact that the news in general is still also rather apathetic to actual Left wing positions that would question those in power (in a non-conspiracy sense). You somehow elected Joe Biden as the leader of the leftwing party, when he is so centrist that he is indeed rightwing by our view. I don't think you would see a big difference between Joe Biden and Scott Morrison (our current prime minster of the rightwing Liberal party).

But it does not change facts that here in Australia, you are not going to see any mainstream news source question if our Prime minister propping up the mining industry might have some conflicts of interest, if it is damaging the planet, and if farming practices are ethical or sustainable. I would be surprised to get any insightful looks at LGBT issues in mainstream news, and while there might not be much loud hatred, things like non-binary identities are still like an invisible issue. Much more likely to hear some damn royals drama, or something about Princess Diana. And if you want anything about Aboriginal culture or issues, you are going to have to watch ABC or I think maybe SBS (probably the only other channel that considers things outside of comfortable bubble of discourse), which are probably also the only places you will find many non-white people on the news.


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