Will an Amy Coney Barret judiciary overturn Roe v. Wade?

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What do you think?
Yes, Roe v. Wade is doomed! 8%  8%  [ 1 ]
It is possible, and will likely happen soon. 33%  33%  [ 4 ]
Yes, but in the far future. 8%  8%  [ 1 ]
Probably not, but there is a chance it could. 33%  33%  [ 4 ]
Barret won't overrule Roe (Stare decisis) 8%  8%  [ 1 ]
No it won't be. 8%  8%  [ 1 ]
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15 Dec 2020, 3:26 am

Hard to believe trolls have advanced degrees.


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15 Dec 2020, 3:30 am

When it was just Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, I considered an overturn of RvW to be unlikely. With Barrett on the bench, I am not sure.



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15 Dec 2020, 3:34 am

Gorsuch and Kavanaugh have dissented in June v. gee in favor for a de facto abortion ban.


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15 Dec 2020, 3:27 pm

It's likely to happen and I hope it does happen. Every life is worth living and every human life has value. People with disabilities have a right to be born and they have the right to have the type of education that will turn them each into productive taxpayers. Rape babies have a right to be born into the world. If the unfortunate mother doesn't want the child, she can give it do someone who does want it. The same goes for handicapped babies. If you don't want the child, give it to someone who does. There are foster parents who want to only adopt special needs children, so it's not everyone who only want perfect babies. Besides, nobody's perfect. If people don't like children, they should get themselves fixed. If people do not like handicapped people, they should get themselves fixed. If people would do that, there would be a lot less abortions, plain and simple.


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15 Dec 2020, 3:51 pm

After experiencing pregnancy and maternity, I understand the depth of how complex the problem of abortion in fact is.

The maximum simplification of what I think is:
1. I do believe every abortion is a tragedy.
2. I don't believe making abortion illegal would prevent the tragedies.
3. I believe:
- responsible sexual ethics;
- good knowledge of contraception;
- multi-level, reliable support for parents in difficult situations
should go first.


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15 Dec 2020, 7:43 pm

magz wrote:
After experiencing pregnancy and maternity, I understand the depth of how complex the problem of abortion in fact is.

The maximum simplification of what I think is:
1. I do believe every abortion is a tragedy.
2. I don't believe making abortion illegal would prevent the tragedies.
3. I believe:
- responsible sexual ethics;
- good knowledge of contraception;
- multi-level, reliable support for parents in difficult situations
should go first.


In your opinion, is there any justification of abortion that shouldn't be prohibited by law?


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15 Dec 2020, 7:57 pm

If American history is any indication, prohibiting anything will only make it more dangerous.


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15 Dec 2020, 8:19 pm

If you outlaw abortion, only outlaws will perform abortions. It would be a lot safer if doctors performed abortions.


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15 Dec 2020, 8:23 pm

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That is too say, I do consider that a good thing. Murder is murder. Abortion has no place in society.

you will never succeed in changing people's hearts which is the only real way to stop abortion, your draconian laws will just drive it underground, is all.



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15 Dec 2020, 8:25 pm

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Death Penalty for Abortion docters! Fight murder!

what about women who use abortifacients on themselves? aren't they abortionists you would execute as well?



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16 Dec 2020, 3:18 am

Deltaville wrote:
magz wrote:
After experiencing pregnancy and maternity, I understand the depth of how complex the problem of abortion in fact is.

The maximum simplification of what I think is:
1. I do believe every abortion is a tragedy.
2. I don't believe making abortion illegal would prevent the tragedies.
3. I believe:
- responsible sexual ethics;
- good knowledge of contraception;
- multi-level, reliable support for parents in difficult situations
should go first.

In your opinion, is there any justification of abortion that shouldn't be prohibited by law?

I think you skipped my point 2.
I don't place equation mark between law and morality.
If making abortions illegal does not lead to significantly less abortions, I find the ban wrong approach.

Now, if you ask if I can think abortion could be morally right, the most obvious case would be saving the mother's life.
Do I think abortion would be morally acceptable/tolerable? In some cases. You can't force random people to be saints and heroes.


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16 Dec 2020, 4:08 am

Personally I place minimal moral value upon zefs. They are not moral beings. It is certainly incoherent - and indeed detestable - to be against abortion but in favour of eating pig meat or even fish.

Sex-selective abortion is a social ill because of the negative impact it has on sex ratios. Similarly, I believe encouraging abortion on the grounds of disability (except for disability incompatible with life) devalues the lives of the disabled. But banning it doesn’t achieve much.

In the US, the refrain of the Democratic Party is that abortion should be “safe, legal, and rare”. If you think abortion is a bad thing then you need to increase support for contraception. Making abortion illegal just criminalises vulnerable people and puts their lives at risk.



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16 Dec 2020, 4:26 am

^ what are "zefs"? Google returns only some restaurant chain and South African subculture.
Babies are not yet moral beings either - and ancient Romans found it acceptable to abandon newborns when their father wished so.


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16 Dec 2020, 6:39 am

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Development begins with fertilization, the process by which the male gamete, the sperm cell, and the female gamete, the oocyte, fuse to give rise to a diploid cell, the zygote. In pregnancy the 3 stages are commonly referred to as ZEF - meaning Zygote, Embryo, Fetus.
https://www.wikidoc.org/index.php/Human ... t_(biology)


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17 Dec 2020, 12:05 am

magz wrote:
^ what are "zefs"? Google returns only some restaurant chain and South African subculture.

People who drive Ford Zephyrs.


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20 Dec 2020, 3:18 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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That is too say, I do consider that a good thing. Murder is murder. Abortion has no place in society.


Once safe and legal access is eliminated people will understand how important it is and the short-term anti-choice victory will ultimately result in a long-term resounding rejection of their misogynistic worldview. Sometimes it takes a ban for people to understand just how important something truly is.

People in need who can afford to will continue to travel to have the procedure done. Those who can't will be motivated by how unfair it is that only wealthy women can still access a vital service and rage against those who stole their rights will motivate them to solve the problem.

I'm sure Ireland believed they would never legalize abortion either and yet sanity eventually prevailed there too.


LOL anti-choice!

Being a pro-lifer I always urged fellow pro-lifers to refer to pro-choicers as pro-murder in reprisal.

That is because that is what it is.

I for one, have a 1g joint and 100 ml of Finnish vodka put aside for the great day when the barbarous decision known as Roe v. Wade will finally draw its last breath. There would be no shame if Barrett did indeed overrule Roe v. Wade. It would be akin to the allies liberating the Nazi death camps in early 1945 and uncovering the magnitude of the horror within.

Being Canadian (born in Poland) I find it difficult to stomach the fact that my tax payer money is used to fund a national kristalnacht. There is ironically, no choice in that matter.


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