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07 Jul 2021, 12:12 pm

Trump told chief of staff Hitler ‘did a lot of good things’, book says

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On a visit to Europe to mark the 100th anniversary of the end of the first world war, Donald Trump insisted to his then chief of staff, John Kelly: “Well, Hitler did a lot of good things.”

The remark from the former US president on the 2018 trip, which reportedly “stunned” Kelly, a retired US Marine Corps general, is reported in a new book by Michael Bender of the Wall Street Journal.

Frankly, We Did Win This Election has been widely trailed ahead of publication next week. The Guardian obtained a copy.

Bender reports that Trump made the remark during an impromptu history lesson in which Kelly “reminded the president which countries were on which side during the conflict” and “connected the dots from the first world war to the second world war and all of Hitler’s atrocities”.

In a statement a Trump spokesperson, Liz Harrington, said: “This is totally false. President Trump never said this. It is made-up fake news, probably by a general who was incompetent and was fired.”

But Bender says unnamed sources reported that Kelly “told the president that he was wrong, but Trump was undeterred”, emphasizing German economic recovery under Hitler during the 1930s.

“Kelly pushed back again,” Bender writes, “and argued that the German people would have been better off poor than subjected to the Nazi genocide.”

Bender adds that Kelly told Trump that even if his claim about the German economy under the Nazis after 1933 were true, “you cannot ever say anything supportive of Adolf Hitler. You just can’t.”

Kelly, whose son was killed in Afghanistan in 2010, left the White House in early 2019. He has spoken critically of Trump since, reportedly telling friends the president he served was “the most flawed person I have ever met in my life”.

Bender writes that Kelly did his best to overcome Trump’s “stunning disregard for history”.

“Senior officials described his understanding of slavery, Jim Crow, or the Black experience in general post-civil war as vague to non-existent,” he writes. “But Trump’s indifference to Black history was similar to his disregard for the history of any race, religion or creed


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07 Jul 2021, 1:48 pm

Trump is a nazi, and so is each and every individual supporter of Trump.
And the article you quoted is the evidence.

It cannot be discussed. Everyone who support or voted for Trump is a nazi, because Trump IS a nazi.

You cannot say "Hitler did a lot of good things" if you're not a nazi.



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07 Jul 2021, 2:39 pm

a. Nazis are losers.
b. Trump is a Nazi.

: : Trump is a loser.


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07 Jul 2021, 3:12 pm

Fnord wrote:
a. Nazis are losers.
b. Trump is a Nazi.

: : Trump is a loser.


The nazis didn't lose. They just didn't win, and that's a very big difference.

If the nazis had lost WW2 there would be no nazis today, because it would have been illegalized throughout Europe and each and every scum of these bastards would have been executed by cyanide gas after the war.

Nazism isn't even illegal in Germany, only the flag, not the ideology itself nor is it illegal be member of a nazi organization and several National-Socialist (from which "nazi" has been abbreviated) organizations exists both in Germany and in other European countries, as well as in the U.S.

You know why? I know why: Because, as unfortunate as it is, the nazis enjoy too much popular support to be wiped off the surface of the Earth.

This is also the reason the number of executions of those helping the nazi occupation of Denmark, Norway, The Netherlands etc. was very low. Simply put, the nazis, then and now, enjoy too much popular support for governments around the world to stop them.

This is also evidence that democracy will inevitably result in a new nazi regime. Remember: Hitler was democratically elected and became a dictator without even having to make a coup.

You also have to remember that after WW2, the majority of the German population still supported Hitler and the nazi regime.

A majority of the German population thought the nazi regime was superior to any other system of government.
In 1952, 25% had a good opinion of Hitler.

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Postwar: a History of Europe since 1945



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07 Jul 2021, 3:17 pm

I respectfully disagree: The Nazis lost WWII, just as the Confederacy lost the American Civil War.

It is just that neither group will admit they lost.


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07 Jul 2021, 3:19 pm

Fnord wrote:
I respectfully disagree: The Nazis lost WWII, just as the Confederacy lost the American Civil War.

It is just that neither group will admit they lost.


If they lost, there would be nobody to refuse to admit it, because in order to truly win a war, you need to exterminate your enemy - entirely.



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07 Jul 2021, 3:26 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I respectfully disagree: The Nazis lost WWII, just as the Confederacy lost the American Civil War.  It is just that neither group will admit they lost.
If they lost, there would be nobody to refuse to admit it, because in order to truly win a war, you need to exterminate your enemy - entirely.
In an all-out total War of Annihilation, that would be the case.  But in wars of attrition, all that is really desired is for the enemy to capitulate.  Sadly, even if the last Nazi soldaten and the last Confederate soldiers had been put to death, their ideologies would still be around to infect new generations.


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07 Jul 2021, 4:03 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I respectfully disagree: The Nazis lost WWII, just as the Confederacy lost the American Civil War.

It is just that neither group will admit they lost.


If they lost, there would be nobody to refuse to admit it, because in order to truly win a war, you need to exterminate your enemy - entirely.


That's not how wars typically work. :?


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07 Jul 2021, 4:06 pm

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Sadly, even if the last Nazi soldaten and the last Confederate soldiers had been put to death, their ideologies would still be around to infect new generations.[/color]


At least in the case of the Confederates their younger siblings still would have raised a new generation of supporters for pro-traitor cause who would demonstrate their loyalty by raising monuments to the dead traitors and form groups like the Sons of Confederate Veterans to continue to advocate for white supremacy and against America.

Wait a minute, that's exactly what did happen. :nerdy:


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07 Jul 2021, 4:45 pm

The Romans certainly won many wars-----but they usually didn't "annihilate the enemy" most of the time.



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07 Jul 2021, 6:49 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:
Fnord wrote:
a. Nazis are losers.
b. Trump is a Nazi.

: : Trump is a loser.


The nazis didn't lose. They just didn't win, and that's a very big difference.

If the nazis had lost WW2 there would be no nazis today, because it would have been illegalized throughout Europe and each and every scum of these bastards would have been executed by cyanide gas after the war.

Nazism isn't even illegal in Germany, only the flag, not the ideology itself nor is it illegal be member of a nazi organization and several National-Socialist (from which "nazi" has been abbreviated) organizations exists both in Germany and in other European countries, as well as in the U.S.

You know why? I know why: Because, as unfortunate as it is, the nazis enjoy too much popular support to be wiped off the surface of the Earth.

This is also the reason the number of executions of those helping the nazi occupation of Denmark, Norway, The Netherlands etc. was very low. Simply put, the nazis, then and now, enjoy too much popular support for governments around the world to stop them.

This is also evidence that democracy will inevitably result in a new nazi regime. Remember: Hitler was democratically elected and became a dictator without even having to make a coup.

You also have to remember that after WW2, the majority of the German population still supported Hitler and the nazi regime.

A majority of the German population thought the nazi regime was superior to any other system of government.
In 1952, 25% had a good opinion of Hitler.

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification
Postwar: a History of Europe since 1945


hi. I've lived most of my live in Germany. National Socialism is illegal in Germany. There are two ways to avoid getting into trouble though, one of which is to never publicly admit to adhering to an anti-constitutional ideology, which is what the neo-nazi organistaions do, and the other is to act in a way in which no one will take you seriously, not even intelligence services.
So, the German Neo-nazis call themselves "patriots" or something like that in public.

the reason why the Germans weren't totally eradicated after ww2 was also because there were what, like, 30 million of them? - it's somewhat hard to argue for a genocide of that scale if you're not a Nazi yourself. - and by and large, the reeducation worked - the leftist student revolts of the 60s had their fair share in that. But today, "patriot" in Germany is dogwhistle for "Neo-Nazi".

that said, there's more xenophobia and conservativeness around than most Germans would admit.

Fascism is however quite often at leadt a little tolerated, because it is extreme conservativism. And extreme conservativism is usually not a threat to the nation-state. If it gets out of hand, sure, but it's not like leftist ideologies that tend to be explicitly aiming at revolution. Even a little revolurion is a disturbance. A little extreme conservativism is not disturbing social order.

Trump is not a Nazi. He's a Mobster, and he's enabling Nazis, and anyone who was of use to him. He's an opportunist. But he didn't use his time in office to put into practice another holocaust. His foreign policy was indistinguishable from Obama's.


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07 Jul 2021, 10:05 pm

Hitler made an awesome car. Ya gotta give him that.



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07 Jul 2021, 10:19 pm

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Hitler made an awesome car. Ya gotta give him that.


Ferdinand Porsche ripped off a pretty good Tatra, but why would I give credit to Hitler? :nerdy:


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07 Jul 2021, 10:24 pm

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Mr Reynholm wrote:
Hitler made an awesome car. Ya gotta give him that.


Ferdinand Porsche ripped off a pretty good Tatra, but why would I give credit to Hitler? :nerdy:

Read up on it.



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07 Jul 2021, 10:27 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Hitler made an awesome car. Ya gotta give him that.


Ferdinand Porsche ripped off a pretty good Tatra, but why would I give credit to Hitler? :nerdy:

Read up on it.


I have. It would be like crediting any government for any product produced in response to a tender.

The design of the VW KdF-Wagen was heavily influenced by the Tatra 97 to the point there was a lawsuit. The lawsuit was interrupted by the war but in the end VW paid Tatra to settle.

If you'd read on the topic you'd know this. :nerdy:


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08 Jul 2021, 8:45 am

Unconditional surrender is losing in my book. It is possible to lose a war, regroup and win a rematch.

The Nazi Autobahn system was a predecessor to the American Interstate system. I highly suspect Trump was not arguing for nuance with that statement. Trump is anything but a nuanced type of guy. I highly suspect nefarious motivations.


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