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12 Jun 2021, 12:46 pm

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Teach us Your secret, Master! yap my Yahoos.

Then for the hardness of their hearts, and for the softness of their heads, I taught them Magick.

But... alas!

Teach us Your real secret, Master! how to become invisible, how to acquire love, and oh! beyond all, how to make gold.

But how much gold will you give me for the Secret of Infinite Riches?

Then said the foremost and most foolish: Master, it is nothing; but here is an hundred thousand pounds.

This did I deign to accept, and whispered in his ear this secret:

A SUCKER IS BORN EVERY MINUTE.

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/crowley/lies/91.htm


But doesn’t God know magic(k)???



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I have asked these questions often since the late 1970s, and received no concise answers yet:

• What is the velocity of propagation for magical energy?

• What is the quantum carrier particle for magical energy?

• Is there a single continuum for all magical energy, or are there different types of magical energy?

• What is the most efficient material conductor of magical energy?

• What is the most efficient material insulator of magical energy?

• What type of technology can be used to manipulate and direct magical energy?


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12 Jun 2021, 2:41 pm

^ Conductor? I suspect it works better in the Rain.

Technic1 wrote:


But doesn’t God know magic(k)???


How would I know? :P



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12 Jun 2021, 4:58 pm



For Anyone Who Doubts
IT, Science Shows

Placebo

And

Nocebo

Are Equal Powers

of Human Belief That

Do Enhance Human Healing

And DisEase; Let's Not Get All Wrapped

Up Lost in Forms; There is Positive Energy

And Negative Energy In Our Bodies; Also Known,

Better Yet Felt And Sensed Now As Our Emotions For

Real; All the Bio-Chemical-Hormonal-Neuronal-Electrical

Energy From Head to Toe; HoW This Works All Together With

Human Consciousness/Subconsciousness, Science Does Not

Really Understand Fully;

However, the Results Are

Empirically Measured

IN EFFECT

Per Terms

of Placebo

And Nocebo

For Real; CaLL iT

White Magic And Prayers;

And Black Magic And Voodoo,

If Ya Wanna; Yet if Ya Doubt

'The Force' (Energy) of Both Placebo and Nocebo

And Do Not Use Positive Energy to Your Advantage;

Fall Baby Fall Into Other Rabbit Holes As You May Go....

Science Measures Placebo And Nocebo in Terms of Medicine...

'Science' Has No 'Idea' Just How Far Either Real Effect Will Go...

i'll Get Back

With Ya

On that (This) Soon
And Sooner too Haha...

Obviously, Per 'the Poetry

Shared Earlier' Associated With

'Black Magic' And 'A Sucker Born

Every Minute', Donald J Trump Used

The Negative Energy of Fear and Scarcity

To Employ That Nocebo Force And Let's Just

Say An Entire Country Got More Ill Than It Needed to Be Through

That Negative Energy And All the Ignorance Used in Fear And Scarcity Bred Real...

'The Folks'

(Minions)

Came Out

of 'the

Motel'

Unafraid With their

Dear Demagogue

Despicable Leader Yes

Dark Came Out in Light
For The Entire World to See...

True, There Are More Positive
Ways of Real 'White Magic' in Life;
God Yes, THAT Positive Energy Makes Life Brighter

Or Do

Ya Have

Enough Common

Sense And Feel Now

To Figure this out Without a Text Book, Haha

or Bible, Or Other Standard Show of Control;

Considering That Neuroscience Shows Humans

Basically Hallucinate Their Reality As They Go, Based

On Experiences They Hallucinate Co-Creating Before As

Their Whole Reality; Life is a Bit Like 'Chaos Magic'; Some Folks

Take the Road Up

Others
Take

The

Stairway

to the Other Place Further Down...

And if 'Trump-Life' Doesn't Prove

'That Place Exists'; Ain't No Convincing Anyone Other Wise...

As Far as Aleister Crowley Goes, Obviously He Was Just Taking

The Piss Out of Fools, A Bit 'Dark Triad' AS Such too As An Addict too...

Typical

Human

Story in Degrees
of DarK And LiGHT...

This SH8T is aS Old
As the Human Condition is Still Young...

Anyway, Got A 'Love Train' To Catch See Ya

Later; i Am no Fool Now, i Use Placebo to My Full

Advantage And Per Case Study Life is VERY, VERY, VERY, GOOD;

PICTURES DON'T LIE'; AND NEITHER DO THOUSANDS OF VERY BEAUTIFUL SMILES...

Don't Forget

When i Was

in 'Nocebo'

Life i Was Shut-in,

In My Bedroom For

66 Months With The
Worst Pain Known to Humankind
Type Two Trigeminal Neuralgia From
Wake to Sleep Along with a Synergy

of 18 Other Life Threatening Mostly

Negative Work Related Stress Disorders

Per 'Autism Burn-Out'; Let's Just Say 93 Months And Some

Days Later too, Placebo Works Much Better With a little Expertise;

It Doesn't Come in Any Bibles or Books Or 'Books of the Law'; All Generated Within...

Yet It's True, Where i'm From Now; Love is the Only Way of Will That Makes All the Heaven Real...

That Only

Takes

Common

Feel And Sense

to Figure Out;

HAha, Old Aleister

Crowley Used The

Voodoo Nocebo Parts to Control Others

to Get His Sex And Drug Addict Fixes

Mixing Carrots And Sticks Common
Practice for that ULTiMaTE Effect of
Domination Dark Triad Style Yet

It's True, It Worked A Little Bit for him too....

While Others Fell Around Him Like 'Trump Dominoes' too....

If Ya Discount The Force of 'Black Magic', Ya May Fall into the 'Trump Trap';

No Matter Which Side of the Other Places You Currently Reside; Doubt it Not;
Trump Was a "Master'

'That Way' Of the

'Dark Force'

ALL On

His Lonesome...

Yet You See Those Who

Don't Understand the

Real Light And Dark

Forces of Life Are Lost
in A Worst Kind of Ignorance on Either 'Side'...

To Be Clear, Trump Just Mastered The Effect of Nocebo on the 'Masses' (Minions)

And Hehe, It's Worth Noting That There Are Minions Associated With Placebo too...

Just Really Happy Minions; Thousands of Photos Provided With An Old Dude For Evidence on Demand...

Basically All i Have to Do is Dance, Sing Poetry, And Smile; And Truly i Don't Even Have to Say A Word As the Evidence

Clearly

Fully

iLLustrates With SMiLes..

Positive Energy Changes
the Human Environment At Hand...

Do i Really Have to Even Say it... Oh Lord...

As Negative Energy Makes Everything Go S88KY;

Except Those Who Are Vaccinated Against it With Placebo More Powerful Now!

Hehe, Meanwhile, Folks Are Trying To Figure Out Life With Abstract Constructs, Illusions they create...

Carry

On

If Ya Wilt...

If it Doesn't

Exist on A Naked

Beach, Greater to Discount

IT Dark OR Light; TWiLiGHT Is Where It's At....

In Other Words, Master of DarK And LiGHT (Friends With Gravity in Balance) Living in

Sweet Spots of Flow Tween Apathy And Anxiety Now; 'Science' Ain't 'lying' about this either...

Yet if Ya Don't Experience The Feeling, Sensing, Reality; None Of These Words Are Even Worthwhile...

Just

Word Salad

For Those Without

Any Living Fruits And Vegetables Within

To Sow, Harvest, And Reap Continually Light

Force Eternally Now; Real Placebo Generated Heaven
Within With Lots of Meditation In Flow of Dance And Poetry Song Continually too...

In Other Words, ThiS Ain't No Free Ride; IT IS A Great Work of Loving Life Always Now...

Oh Yeah,

And Drug
Free too;

The Down
Fall So Many

Like Aleister Crowley

Take For A Short Cut Life



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Ordinary English, please?


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12 Jun 2021, 6:41 pm

Fnord wrote:
• What is the velocity of propagation for magical energy?

10 + level + INT modifier.

Fnord wrote:
• What is the quantum carrier particle for magical energy?

The Bozo Boson.

Fnord wrote:
• Is there a single continuum for all magical energy, or are there different types of magical energy?

There are many different types: Abjuration, alteration, claptrap, conjuration, divination, enchantment, fraud, illusion, invocation, malarky and necromancy.

Fnord wrote:
• What is the most efficient material conductor of magical energy?

A pointy hat.

Fnord wrote:
• What is the most efficient material insulator of magical energy?

A long beard.

Fnord wrote:
• What type of technology can be used to manipulate and direct magical energy?

... any sufficiently advanced technology. :D



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14 Jun 2021, 9:51 am

Technic1 wrote:
Hypnosis
NLP (neuro linguistic programming)
Chaos magick
Psychology
Telepathy
Clairvoyance (yes i used spellcheck)
Psychics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_psychic_abilities

Ps if you don’t know why I called it magick…look up magic vs magick?


A few things I'd recommend looking into:

- Robert Kegan's stages of adult development.
- Piggybacking on the above - Ken Wilbur's ideas of societal development.
- Karl Friston's merger of free-energy minimization with the idea of Markov blankets (great 4 hr interview with Curt Jaimungal but there's a whole bunch of lectures punnily titled 'My Markov Blanket').
- Look at Donald Hoffman's framing of what looks like it could be panpsychism but is really more like a granular idealism with universal Darwinism.
- Look at Stephen Wolfram's idea of the universe as a hypergraph.

To my way of thinking people experimenting with things like chaos magick and modern alchemy (along Jean Dubuis, Albert Richard Riedel, etc. lines) are doing something like experimental attempts at reducing free energy or 'putting it to work' in ways which would then piggyback off of considerations of universal Darwinism and some framework such as panpsychism, neutral monism, or absolute idealism (lets say natural selection tells us how we got what from what, the ideas behind alchemy are the questions of how conscious process can enrich materials, or when it's internal alchemy it tends to be more mundane - ie. enriching one's own software along Kegan'ish lines via. depth psychology techniques, classical Hermetic, Hindu, Buddhist or Daoist techniques, etc.).

The challenge with the above - there's not necessarily anything wrong with the principals and ideas stated, nor experimentally testing them, but very few people have any luck with much beyond psychological self-improvement (which is perhaps the best reason to run at it). Otherwise the remainder is small enough that they're easily (at a social level) written off as fraud based on replicability issues and you have Jean Dubuis saying something to the effect that the only way to know if you're even within a dozen lives of getting off the wheel of reincarnation is if you can heal at a distance and if you can't do that then there's no point in even asking the question - that really puts it in perspective that most people would either have such abilities for a whole lifetime or not have them, that it's too long and slow a process to make noticeable progress in one incarnation. That last bit of course, reincarnation, brings us to Ian Stevenson, and an interesting article about how cognitive dissonance works in our culture at present:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/be ... st-cynics/

The overall gist though - whatever we're in, even if it's panpsychist, idealist, neutral monist, dual-action monist, etc., it's really - really - rigid. It's rigid enough that we can make 20nm transistors and prove out mathematics to send missions to Mars or send probes to Pluto with gravity assist from Saturn. That's where most of what gets sold as doable in the magick community either gets shut down or, TBH, you really better find something that has the same agenda you do and offer mutual assistance. Past that - think of Donald Hoffman's modeling and universal Darwinism - if everything in the universe that has consciousness wants to minimize free energy or uncertainty then you're in a pretty dry place and it takes seeing chaos to see opportunity because that's where there actually is something to mold or shape (which is where I suppose, in principal, chaos magick makes a fair amount of sense).


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15 Jun 2021, 10:19 am

Looked for actual magic my whole life. I did not find any magic, but here is my list of close contenders (perhaps one can call them magicq, magic with a q, or something):

0. Phenomenal Consciousness
1. Physics, especially QM
2. Math, all of it
3. Slight of Hand Tricks

Anything else are mere dreams and delusions.


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16 Jun 2021, 4:49 am

Fnord wrote:
It still saddens me when I find out that what I used to believe as true "magick" was only stage tricks and parlor games.[/color]

What kinds of things, exactly, did you previously believe in as true "magick," that turned out to be just "stage tricks and parlor games," and how did you find this out?


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18 Jun 2021, 4:57 pm

Being a "witch" is very trendy now, but most people who call themselves witches are just pretentious theatre kids with no supernatural powers.

I think magic is real, but I also think those kinds of powers are extremely uncommon. I've met one person in my whole entire life who can cast spells and they consistently work, and she doesn't even like calling herself a witch, but she has the reputation of a powerful sorceress because she's legitimately earned it.



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Elon Musk's company Neuralink Corporation is developing brain implants that translate thoughts into remote actions.

It's called *Psychokinesis* : Psychokinesis is an alleged psychic ability allowing a person to influence a physical system without physical interaction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychokinesis

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18 Jun 2021, 6:31 pm

Technic1 wrote:
Hypnosis
NLP (neuro linguistic programming)
Chaos magick
Psychology
Telepathy
Clairvoyance (yes i used spellcheck)
Psychics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_psychic_abilities

Ps if you don’t know why I called it magick…look up magic vs magick?

Hypnosis, NLP and psychology are actual phenomenon or theory (not magic).

Telepathy is interesting in that some people are capable of somehow projecting their thoughts.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovati ... 180952868/

Like UFOs we know it happens....it's the why and how that remains a mystery



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19 Jun 2021, 11:46 am

^^^



Not Sure if You Actually Read 'The Study'

to the Link You Provided By the Smithsonian

Organization; Yet Sadly It's a Bit of A Hyperbolic

Title As Yes the Experiment Was Based on Stimulus

And Response With A Mechanical tool of 'Transcranial

Magnetic Stimulation' And Not The Kind of 'Telepathy'

That is Purely Natural And Not Machine Stimulated

In Terms of Brain Activity As A Kind of Sign
Language

of Stimulus
And Response As

Such And Yes Most

Definitely Rudimentary

At Best At this Stage of Study So Far...

And Actually Most of this Thread is A far

Cry From the Term MagicK As Developed

By Occultist Aleister Crowley As He Wasn't Looking

At the "Pull The Rabbit Out of the Hat Kind of Magic"

Or Mythical Stories of Old Religious Heroes Getting

Resurrected or Born of Virgins Like Hercules and

And Buddha too In Stories That Hyperbole

Reality As there Were

No 'Victoria

Secret' Models

Then As Hehe

Now A 'Trump Wave'

Has Run That Method

Of Advertising Runway Models

Into the More Business Achieving

Women Than Just Trophy Wife's to Aim at As Such...

Anyway, Obviously the Marketers of an Otherwise

Respectable Organization Used a Bit of Hyperbole

To Sell A Story As There is A Whole Lot of Online

Competition 'These Days' to Get Any Attention at all

Among a Human Species Science Shows is Watered Down

To the Attention Span of Less than Three Seconds of a Gold Fish hehe...

Is Telepathy Real; It's Not the Kind of Thing that Happens in a Science

Experiment As Mechanical Cognition Actually Represses/Withers Away Any Social-Empathic

Intelligences, Including Rather Odd Telepathic Leaning Experiences of Social Empathic Cognition;

Nope, Not the Kind of thing Ya Empirically Measure by Science; Yet True The Experiences of Life that

HAVE

ZERO

RATIONAL

EXPLANATION

IN TERMS OF WHAT

ONLY SIX NORMAL

SENSES OF LIFE AND

FEELINGS OF LIFE OBSERVE NOW

THAT any Science Tool Will Measure

Beyond Stories of Life that Are Real and

Truly Empirically Measured by those Who actually Experience them...

My Wife is Super Empathic; She Might not Have 3 College Degrees

Like me; Yet She Surely Has Enough Emotional Intelligence to

Spot a Psychopathic Leaning Individual Like Trump in a

Heart Beat And Never Ever Trust A Human Being

Who Has no substance of Love Within;

Indeed, i ain't bad at it either

After Years of Practice

Developing My Social-Empathic-
Artistic Spiritual Intelligences Far

Beyond What Standard IQ Measures

In Terms of What Human Reality Has

Devolved Culturally Into Material Reductionist Ways of

Taking the Parts of the Whole Picture And Missing the Forest for the Trees...

The Unknown, The More Mysterious Parts of Life that the Scientific Antiquated

Shell of A Method Tool Will Never Ever Measure Fully As Essence Deeper of Life is Worthless

When it Comes to What is not Observable in Processes of Life We Can't Scientifically Measure...

Ironically Enough, Aleister Crowley Was Noted With The Dark Triad of Psychopathy From Birth

And That continued on as He Saw Love as A Sex Addict And Human Potential 'MaGiC' Facilitated Mostly

Through Drugs; And True He Developed A Cult of Religion to Fulfill His Sex Addict And Drug Addict

Nature that often

Comes From

Folks Who

Never Gain

Fullness of All
Natural Love Within

Yes 'Class' Very Little

Oxytocin Warm And Comfy Life

Wired in or Innately Born on Date From Birth...

He was Really Interested in Sex Magic; Is There Really

Magic in Lust; Well Yes of Course, Science Shows Males

Become More Creative When Dopamine Rises This Way

And Females Become More Socially Cooperative And Nurturing

too As Lust Does Influence Much in Life; The Other Stuff He did

Were Just Fancy Sugar Pills of Placebo And Fancy Voodoo Dolls of

Nocebo; Anyway i Surely Will Tap Into that As Well; So Does the Human

Connection Extend Out More than the Material Reductionism of Human Form in

Flesh and Blood; Like Anyone Else, all i will be able to Relate is Odd Of Life that

Has No Rational Explanations at All; Most of the Synchronicities Only Significant

Psychologically Meaningful to me; Yet Every Once in a A While, The Nature of What

Is Shows Ya

What

Real

MaGiC Is

The K is just
A Way to Sell

The Crowley Brand;

For instance Dealing with

The Worst Pain Known to Humankind

Like a Dentist Drill in my Right Eye And Ear

No Drug Would Touch for 66 Months; Yes, Type
Two Trigeminal Neuralgia Known in Medical Literature

As the Suicide Disease And Literally assessed as Worse than

The Torture of Crucifixion From Wake to Sleep For Yes All 66 Months;

Suicide Ideologies And Death Wishes in General Like Walking in Lightening

Storms Fierce With No Fear Are Common Place Indeed; Putting a Metal Chain

in A Bicycle Basket Finding A Road into A Forest Far Away Enough in the Forest

From Civilization Where only the Vultures Would Make my Life's Purpose mean

Something Consuming me Dead That Way Secure Hanging From A Tree; True

i could have never imagined There was Pain worse than Death; Yet There surely

is In Living Hell

on Earth

Where

Death Becomes

Heaven And Dousing

Oneself With Gasoline

And Burning to Death

Just Seems Like

Temporary

Relief

From the Pain

Until Going Away to Nothing at all For Escape...

Anyway, Losing All Emotions, A Feeling of a Smile

No Force of Love, Hope, Faith or Belief, Realizing

Those Were Forces of Emotional Energy Moving me Ahead

Before All the Way for Real and no Frigging Fairy Tales in Mythical Books,

In that Spring of 2010, A Bit More than Two Years into Hell, Making A Plan

of Specific Escape From Hell; My Wife Awoke from A Dream The Next Morning

And Said That is so Strange She Just Dreamed That She and Her Deceased Granny

Were Hanging Christmas Ornaments on a Tree Off That Road She Never Named Before

The Same Road i Planned my Escape; Still Didn't give me Hope; Yet it was Enough to

Never Commit Suicide

Even though

That Chain

Remained in that

Bicycle Basket Until

95 Months Ago to Date Today

Then July 19th, 2013, The Close to

Eight Years Now Spent in Heaven

Within With No Pain And Bliss As that

Day On the Beach the Pain Melted Away

As i became One with Sugar White Sands

Sea Oats in the Breeze Emerald Green

Waves Gently Falling And Rising

Sea Gull Wings

Spiraling

Around the

Sun Loving Free

All the Sudden

Bliss From

Head to toe

From That Day Forward Almost 8

Years today, June 19th, 2021, Now

Just A Month Shy of 8 Years Now

Versus 66 Months of Living Hell;

Yet That's Not All; More than A Dream,

Stress Does Strange Things to Our Humanity Indeed...

Shortly After Having to Leave Work Just About Dropping

Dead From 11 Years of Chronic to Acute Stress, Walking

Around The Block With my Wife, My Experience of Time

Suddenly Slowed Down, First Time Ever, And Immediately

My Wife Walking Next to me Related The Same Words to me

Before i could Say A Thing; That's Strange Time Just Slowed Down...

Just Another Afternoon in the Neighborhood Never A Day Like that Again

Shared Among Two Souls Standing Side by Side Where Reality Loses Time,

Distance,

Space,

And

Matter

Within Two

Souls Living

Truly In a way

in the Same UNiVerSE Perceiving...

Some Folks Have More Antenna Height than

Others And True Some Folks With Laser Focus

Of Flow in Positive Feelings and Emotions Regularly

Change the World as i've Often had People Say in the

Last Close to 8 Years, When You Come in the Room 'The Lights come on'...

And Generally Speaking the 'Lay Folks' Ask me For Whatever i am On; Clue

It's a long

way to

get

to forever

Now Yet once

Ya Do, True Magic In Terms of Love

Is no Fluke it is Life's Full Buffet Free

i Do Not Have an Interest in Antiquated Magic; MaGiC is the Essence Now of my Life;

Real MaGiC; Not the kind That Pulls Rabbits Out of Hats Or Lifts Folks From Tombs...

Just the

Living

Dead

Reborn

Into Eternity

of Heaven within now;

Hard to Give and Share;

Most Certainly Effortless to Breathe..:)



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19 Jun 2021, 12:28 pm

aghogday wrote:
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Ironically Enough, Aleister Crowley Was Noted With The Dark Triad of Psychopathy From Birth

And That continued on as He Saw Love as A Sex Addict And Human Potential 'MaGiC' Facilitated Mostly

Through Drugs; And True He Developed A Cult of Religion to Fulfill His Sex Addict And Drug Addict

Nature




Love is the law, love under will, i.e. the nature of the Law of Thelema is love, but love itself is subsidiary to finding and manifesting one's authentic purpose or "mission".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema


not how I would put it! :o



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cyberdad wrote:

Hypnosis, NLP and psychology are actual phenomenon or theory (not magic).



There is some controversy about hypnosis though?



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"Love is the law, love under will, i.e. the nature of the Law
of Thelema is love, but love itself is subsidiary to finding
and manifesting one's authentic purpose or "mission""

Talks Is Cheap; That Platitude Is Just Another Version

Of 'the Golden Rule' And in Crowley's Version

His Purpose And Mission of Life Was

Focused on All Stuff

Selfish

Sex Addict

And Drug Addict;

Sadly, For Those Who Bought

The Kool Aid, In 'Rock and Roll'

As Such Inspired by His Drug Abuse

They Ended inspired As Dead As Dead Will Be...

Those Closest To Him, Fell The Same Way Addiction often does...

He Surely Isn't The First Philosopher That Said One Thing And Did

Another Per the Text Book Example of 'Jesus' Who Turned the Other

Cheek, Loved The Enemy As Friend And 'Trademark God Himself' Treating That 'Person' the

Way He Would Wanna Be Treated; Yet Strangely Enough, By Story Literally At Least, Turning the Psychopathic

Corner Like Trump And Crowley Same And Changing Human Sheep Into Human Goats Not Complying And Burning

Them Forever; Yet of Course Trump And Crowley Just Made those Closest to Them a Real Living Hell 'till Death

They Parted;

'The Fairy Tale

Of God As Myth

Jesus As Literally

Taken' Burning

Folks Forever

Beats All

Evil

Ever

Humanly Imagined

Haha, Trust No Suits
or Golden or White Robes...

And Funny Hats and Faux Wings

to Somewhere After A Dirt Nap...

Just my Opinion of Course As Is...

Moral oF A Story, Don't Sacrifice Life for Lies...

Truth iN LiGHT AND DarK Rarely Makes FRiEnDS;

Yet Truly Survives And Thrives Free; Evidence on Demand As Always Hehe..;)



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