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19 Jun 2021, 3:14 pm

not like THAT :o :twisted:

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HeHe, Yeah, "We're Not Gonna Take IT" ('Twisted Sister', Circa Last Century) (More Precisely Released
May 10th, 1984, With Professor(s) Wiki in Flow too) NOW Getting In Touch With One's Own True

Relative Free Will; And God Yes, Very Much Loving True All Associated

Great Works Of Life; God Yes, Not Much Into Outside Guardian Angels,

Other than my Wife And a Few (A Whole Bunch) Close Women FRiEnDS;

Yet There is a Much Deeper Creative Subconscious Mind to Get in Touch

With In Autotelic Flow, Out of Full Bore Neo-Cortical Control;

Not A Place, Where Sex And Drug Addiction is Needed For

Sure; Just

Pure

Nirvana

And Bliss Generating

Within Head to toe in

Bio-Feedback of Emotional
Regulation and Sensory Integration

That Will Naturally Come From a Meditating Free Dance

And Song of Life That Flows With Emotions and Senses

This Way It's True For Those in Tune With The Experience

This Sounds More Like a Song Than Word Salad, Haha, as it really

Doesn't Matter

What the Words

Say it is the

Essence

of Life's

MuSiC iN All the

Feelings and Senses that

Are Real That Bring This Real Kingdom
of Heaven to Fruition Within True the only

Way to Give and Share it is for Those Who Commune

With the Dance And Song of Life Freely Loving Life With

True Will That Naturally Comes And Isn't So Much 'Constipation of Life';

Yes, Yes, Mr. Crowley Was Full of Self-Fulfilling 'Holy S666T' AND TO BE

CLEAR, i Surely Have nothing to Take the Piss Out of '666' Born on 6.6.60 Either Except for

The Ignorance of Churches That Make Gods Into Idols of Words/NumBerS in Conspiracy Theories for Real...

Yet Considering that

The Poor Dude Was

Born And Raised Empty

Of Love Named 'Beast' As in

'Devil' By His Own Damned Mother

It Ain't Surprising He Spent His Life

Taking the Piss Out of the Foolish Parts of

Christianity That Make Life More of A Misery than

Pleasure Now And Make Death More of An Event to Look Forward

to Than Life or Let The Insanity Roll On And as Far As True Will Goes

No Longer Imprisoned By Love of Church More Than Human And Love

of Old Dusty Books That Talk About the Same Old Tribal Wars Enough to make

Ya Wanna Vomit or Fall Asleep Just Anything to Escape The Boredom of Millstone

Life at the Bottom of the Ocean; Mr. Crowley, Decided to Take the Piss Out of that Insanity

As He Surely Did; Although, Sadly the Poor Dude Had a Hell of a Life Taking Folks Close Down the

Same Addict Path That So Many Folks Devoid of Love Experience in Life; No Doubt He was Looking

For Love

Never

Feeling it

Using Every Substitute
Possible to Breathe Again

As HiS Own Millstone at the

Bottom of an Ocean Where

Nature May Gift Some

With Financial

Inheritance

Eventually

Yet Sadly Not
So Much With Soul...

Anyway Freedom From Prisons

Of Ignorance He Sought And Prison

Of Ignorance He Brought On Himself

Too of HiS Own Volition; Really A Sad Story

That Dude's Life Was And So Many Folks

Who Have Got All Caught Up in Ironically, Just Another Religion Gone Dark....

Putting Love in Second Place Over Will Is Not Understanding Soul of Will

Beyond 'Constipation' Of Soul...

'Do As Thou Wilt' without

Love

Is As Empty

As the Place He

Started Out at And Ended A Life the Same...

Just Lost, Just Lost, Where The Folks in 'The Projects'

The Old Mothers, The Old Grand Ma's, Still Have What

He Never Had as Heaven

on Earth...

Just

Cold

Just

Cold

And Addicted

to the Next Fix...

Never Complete Whole And Enough

Just as is Warm True Love Forevermore Warming Life...

Yes, SAdly "SGT Pepper FAiLeD" As Leader of the Band of 'That Album Cover' too

-Captain Salt

Just A Stone Bust

Accumulating Souls RiSinG OuT of Funeral

Ground Ceremonies From Before Forwarding More

With "Lakshmi" of Course in The Very Front And Aleister in The Very Behind;

True, "Life is a Circus Flyer" At Best We Paint, BrusH, Painting Our Album Covers True

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The Benefit of Mr. K

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19 Jun 2021, 9:29 pm

The_Znof wrote:
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Hypnosis, NLP and psychology are actual phenomenon or theory (not magic).



There is some controversy about hypnosis though?


There are some ethical issues is that what you mean?



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21 Jun 2021, 1:29 pm

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There are some ethical issues is that what you mean?


no, I thought it was considered a sham in the skeptic community - perhaps I got that wrong.

Or else they have changed their minds? the first source I found is quite old

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 89968.html

ps - sorry for the delay, I pawned my laptop for a rear tire and some intoxicants :o



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Mona Pereth wrote:
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It still saddens me when I find out that what I used to believe as true "magick" was only stage tricks and parlor games.
What kinds of things, exactly, did you previously believe in as true "magick," that turned out to be just "stage tricks and parlor games," ...
Well, there is abjuration, air magick, alchemy, amulets & charms, astral projection, astrology, auras, biorhythms, blessings & curses, channeling, conjuration, divination, earth magick, enchantment, familiars, feng shui, fire magick, gem magick, hauntings, herb magick, levitation, luck, lycanthropy, necromancy, numerology, object reading, philters & potions, plant magick, possession, precognition, shapeshifting, spellcasting, tarot, telekinesis, telempathy, telepathy, teleportation, transmutation, and water magick, to name only a few.
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... and how did you find this out?
Experimentation and observation -- a.k.a., the Scientific Method -- of course.


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21 Jun 2021, 3:52 pm

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Aiwass is correct, love must be chosen. 8)



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21 Jun 2021, 4:42 pm

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precognition, .[/color]


Actually precognition is also an actual phenomena...google it Fnord



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27 Jul 2021, 1:41 pm

ok, maybe Im going a bit far by never saying "on your left", ill keep an eye out for a chance to say it.

As for Bad Dad and the insult, Yes Im bad too, and will avoid the joint spot a while longer.

As for the climb and spin-out route, I need it to build candance, as I will not win any sprints with beef.

oh crap, I forgot about hornse conk.

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27 Jul 2021, 3:28 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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[...] precognition [...]
Actually precognition is also an actual phenomena...google it Fnord
People can predict the future.  We do it all the time, but we do it by taking into account our experience, knowledge, and surroundings.  Thus, predictions by alleged "psychics" come true as often as predictions by non-psychics.  Anticipation of the future is mundane, unconscious, and second nature for everyone, and is based on natural abilities, not on mysterious or supernatural "powers".

If a person could provide accurate and detailed descriptions of future events on a regular basis, that person would be celebrated as truly precognitive.  That no such person has ever existed is a sign that stories of people with second sight are mythical exaggerations.

There exists no plausible mechanism by which precognition -- or any other allegedly "psychic" phenomenon, for that matter -- could work.  Some researchers have hung their speculative hopes on convoluted ad-hoc applications of quantum mechanics.  Some still falsely assume that anecdotes are the most powerful "evidence".  Most, however, are banking on statistics from cherry-picked sources to baffle peer reviewers, the media, and the general public.

Just find one person who can reliably and repeatedly pick the winners at the race track or the state lottery, or give us fair warning of the next terrorist attack, and all skeptics will bow at their feet.


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BacK on ToPicK; MagicK With A 'K' is Not

About Pre-Cognition of Lottery Numbers

to Win Money or Pulling Rabbits Out of Hats;

According to those who Define This DIFFERENT
TERM THAN MAGIC WITHOUT A K; Yes, As Words

May Be SPeLLeD

Differently

For Much

Different Associated Meanings

Is That MagicK is Actually 'The Study'

Of What Science Does Not Readily Measure;

Sure, Including Subconscious Human Potentials

Associated with the Placebo Effect And Even 'Sex MagicK' as
That Applies to What Science Does Currently Associate With
Lust As Naturally Generating Neurohormones and Neurochemicals

In Synergy that Lead to GreateR OVERall Male Creativity And Productivity

And Moreover For Women, Greater Cooperation Among Females to Cooperate

To Show They Are Nurturing Enough to Be Suitable Reproductive Mates; For A Species

Like Human Being Bearing Children, So Dependent For Years for Survival; Evolutionary Speaking,

Lust Is Life or Death Without A Desire to Procreate every day in some way as in a Small Village of

Humans Living By an All Hands Effort Without Much Technology, The Ability to Successfully Reproduce

Year to Year, Day to Day, As LonG As Possible

Is Most Definitely A Matter of

Life or Death for Long Term

Survival of the Tribe At Hand;

So Now We Face Population

Pressures to the Extreme Where

Our Success in Cooperation of Love

And Lust Has Produced Collective Intelligence

Through the Tools We Create; Yes, 'Class', Including

Words That Have Put Us Far Out of Balance With the Rest of Nature,
Where the Tools of Our Science Show We Will Help Erase 1 in 8 Out of

All Species of Plants and Other Animals We Depend on to Survive As Well
in the Coming Decades; Just Four Years Without Bees And We Come to Starve to Death

As Many Other

Creatures Will too...

It's A Really Big Dying or Living Deal;

And So Naturally, According to the
Balance of Nature; The Laws of Basic survival;

We Still Are Hugely Lusty Creatures; And Beyond
Our Ability to 'Rationalize', We are Using 'MagicK' iNDeed
To Resolve The Issue of Life or Death in Balance Still; So

True, Abortion on Demand; True, Sexting and Pornography
And Distances too Far to Procreate Where Desire is Funneled

Into Avenues that Do Not Actually Procreate Further and Put the
Human Species And the Rest of Nature Even in More Danger From
The Population Pressures Humans Exert on the Rest of Nature Now...

The MagicK is the Big Picture That Small Views of Detail Thinking Do not
Readily See; And Even in Studies on Pre-Cognition, The Ability to 'Guess' What
Someone is Looking At Far Away Beyond Time, Distance, Space, or Matter as 'Science'
In Measurable Way Will Readily 'See' is actually Correlated Higher When Pornographic
Images

are used

For it Simply

Takes One out of the

Mechanical Cognition Small
Picture Thinking Way of Life
Expanding Human Potential More

Into the Creative, Cooperative Subconscious

MinD Of Our Fuller Reality;

For All the Parts of the Big Picture We Rarely See at
All for What All of our Human Potentials Holding Hands
Can And Will Do to Help Us Survive; Not only As a Species,

Yet A Whole

Circle of

Life

Spiraling

NoW in Balance

As Galaxies Naturally Do
Around BLacK Hole Suns

Until Some Quantum Mechanics

Theories Suggest New Universes

Are Born Out of A Balance of Spin and
Torsion of Stars Dying And Falling to THeir
Seed Death in Resurrection of New Flowers...

(That Come to Be Creatures As Odd As Us)

It's True, This iS iN A Purview

of Mind That is 60 Percent

More Art in SmART Now

Than Just The Sado

Masochistic, S And M,

ParT of HE for heART

That Continues to Destroy

The Rest of Nature Without Empathy

And Compassion For LoVE Ruling 'The All'....

'See' What i just Did: MagicK; Most People Can't See 'the K'...

And to Be Clear

That's Just

A Metaphor

As Well Beyond
Eyes and Ears Capable

Of Seeing A Newer Bigger Picture
That has Existed Longer Than we 'Know',
Beyond All Time, Distance, Space And Matter Now As Mind Still Now;

Thing is For Aleister Crowley, A Man Dominated by 'The Dark Triad'
AS Such; His Definition of Love Was More Selfish as He Was Lacking the
Empathy And Compassion Part of Love; His Definition of Love More Restricted

To Lust and

Taking Drugs

As An Addiction

to Fill Up the Part

That Was Missing Within

That Colored His Whole Life Drab

For A Pursuit of MagicK to Ironically

Figure out what he was missing all along

That His Cold Mamma Who Called Him 'The
Beast' Out of An Old Antiquated Bible THAT
Didn't Help Him Come Out of A Cave of 'Sin' as
That only Refers to What is Missing Within; Sadly

Again, He Gave Addicts 'Permission' to Shorten Their Lives too...

On the Other Hand, He Was A Leg up on Science That Shows Lust is
A Real Human MagicK, All Natural, Like the Rest of the MagicK in This Poem...

Again for
Those Who

Have Eyes and
Ears New And ReNeWeD

To 'See' What They've Never Seen Before

That Existed All Along; With Just No
Words to Describe A Reality Now as is
'Blind'... This Isn't a Purview of Getting

Rich From Winning the Lottery; This IS A

Purview of Becoming An Overflowing Fountain
Enough as Is, Complete, Whole, WHere All THere is

Left to Give is More in Share and Care Over Take and Hoard....

WHere Love

is Real

And Not

Just Lust to Survive...

True, Aleister's Study of his
MagicK Was Very Limited And Narrow Indeed...

Lots of Symbols, Lots of SHells, Just Not Enough Essence to
Thrive Without Something to Add As 'Substance' (Love) to

What is Empty Within...

As A Participant
Anthropology

Observer Through

'The Depths of the Human Story'

By HiSTory of Stories, Aleister Crowley

Is A Fascinating Case-Study to Actually

Study By the Literature he Wrote; Like

His 'Book of the Law' that Just Basically
ReflectS A Deepest Emptiest Soul

Of Who He Was

Struggling

So hard

to Rise

Out of His
Unfortunate

Pit of Life; His Inheritance
And Financial Independence

Bought Just Enough Sex And Drugs to Carry on...

Life Ain't Fair, 'Little ones'; Life Ain't Fair;

Indeed, Per 'the Circle of Life',

Some Folks Feast

THeir WHole

Life Complete

With Love For All in All;

Others, Struggle For Scraps
From the Table of Plenty That

Old Black And White (Etc) Poor Women Enjoy on Front
Porches With Grandchildren on their Lap Smiling All the

Way to Heaven

Now Within...

HAha, and

So Many Children

With Smart Phone

Souls Feel Nothing of Heaven At all...

No, it's Not Funny, Just Aha Funny; Sort
of Like the Case Study of Aleister Crowley Multiplied...

PerhapS A Different MagicK Will Come To Rise Farther than Fall...

-Captain Salt

Nope, Not 'Sgt. Pepper'
Off that Old Beatles Album
Cover in the Very Back of the
Funeral Grounds With All the

Lonely Heart's Crowd, Sad; Yes,

Yes, the Statue, The Bust in Front
RiSinG DanCinG Out of Ashes of 'the Crowd

Source' Left Behind...

WitH AS ALWaYS

'Lakshmi'

Leading 'the
WaY' iN A Red Dress...

In The Front of the Entire 'Crowd Source'...

A Key to All oF This IS A THouSanD Lakshmi's DanCinG on

A Head oF A

Pen...

Is Love
The GReaTesT

Human Force

Yes! in All the
Ways LoVE STiLL
CoMES AND ReTuRNS AGAiNoW..:)

Side Note: Per Old Antiquated
Religions The Term 'Thousand'

Is Far

Beyond

Only NuMBeR...

And No, None of this
Is Written to be any
Less Challenging

That What

Crowley
Wrote As
Poetry too...

That Much He UnderStood
Correctly In All LeSSoNS; Challenge Makes
Growth iN All of Existence Dancing SinginG ETerNAlly Now...

Unfortunately,

He Never Truly

'Resurrected' Out

Of His 'Cocoon' into
A Realm of LoVE ReaL WiTHiN...

All Butterflies ESCaPinG ReaDiLY 'See' THiS NoW

WiTHiN...

Nope...

Not
sure he
even had a clue

to: And That's
Not SuRPRiSinG

Now From: All the

Case-Studies i PeRuSE...

It's Much Harder to 'See' DarK...

Possible, Yet DiFFiCuLT, iN Deed, To TransForm LiGHT...



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28 Jul 2021, 5:03 pm

I believe some people have a natural gift they are born with.
I did, but I gave up reading fiction at 2yrs old as I thought not being called a baby by my Dad was more important.
I'm too emotionally sensitive at the moment.
I used to want to do mediumship but I think mediums should leave dead people alone so their souls can travel the journey they were mean to.
I got my fingers burnt by dabbling in the occult.
Intuition is the key to expand conscious awareness.
Spending too long in abusive relationships, lack of insight, clarity and not realising enough can dumb us down.
Self rejection is also not conducive to expansion of consciousness.



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28 Jul 2021, 7:27 pm

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It still saddens me when I find out that what I used to believe as true "magick" was only stage tricks and parlor games.

What did you formerly believe to be "true magick," and how did you finally conclude that it was only stage tricks and parlor games?


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Mona Pereth wrote:
Fnord wrote:
It still saddens me when I find out that what I used to believe as true "magick" was only stage tricks and parlor games.
What did you formerly believe to be "true magick," and how did you finally conclude that it was only stage tricks and parlor games?
How quickly you forget.
Fnord wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Fnord wrote:
It still saddens me when I find out that what I used to believe as true "magick" was only stage tricks and parlor games.
What kinds of things, exactly, did you previously believe in as true "magick," that turned out to be just "stage tricks and parlor games," ...
Well, there is abjuration, air magick, alchemy, amulets & charms, astral projection, astrology, auras, biorhythms, blessings & curses, channeling, conjuration, divination, earth magick, enchantment, familiars, feng shui, fire magick, gem magick, hauntings, herb magick, levitation, luck, lycanthropy, necromancy, numerology, object reading, philters & potions, plant magick, possession, precognition, shapeshifting, spellcasting, tarot, telekinesis, telempathy, telepathy, teleportation, transmutation, and water magick, to name only a few.
Mona Pereth wrote:
... and how did you find this out?
Experimentation and observation -- a.k.a., the Scientific Method -- of course.


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Fnord wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Fnord wrote:
It still saddens me when I find out that what I used to believe as true "magick" was only stage tricks and parlor games.
What kinds of things, exactly, did you previously believe in as true "magick," that turned out to be just "stage tricks and parlor games," ...
Well, there is abjuration, air magick, alchemy, amulets & charms, astral projection, astrology, auras, biorhythms, blessings & curses, channeling, conjuration, divination, earth magick, enchantment, familiars, feng shui, fire magick, gem magick, hauntings, herb magick, levitation, luck, lycanthropy, necromancy, numerology, object reading, philters & potions, plant magick, possession, precognition, shapeshifting, spellcasting, tarot, telekinesis, telempathy, telepathy, teleportation, transmutation, and water magick, to name only a few.
Mona Pereth wrote:
... and how did you find this out?
Experimentation and observation -- a.k.a., the Scientific Method -- of course.

I'm be very interested to hear some specifics, if you feel comfortable sharing them and have time to do so.

For example, what led you to begin your process of "Experimentation and observation"?

And (if you feel comfortable sharing them) what specific experiences led you to doubt your previous beliefs?

And what are some of your further experiences which then led you to fully renounce your previous beliefs?


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[...] what led you to begin your process of "Experimentation and observation"?
Mainly, childhood curiosity about an old hand-written journal I found hidden in the attic of an abandoned house.
Mona Pereth wrote:
And (if you feel comfortable sharing them) what specific experiences led you to doubt your previous beliefs?
Trying out the procedures written in the journal and not getting the stated results.
Mona Pereth wrote:
And what are some of your further experiences which then led you to fully renounce your previous beliefs?
Working as a storefront "Psychic".  All it took was a few readings, and the clients seeking answers were hooked.  The trick to performing a reading is "Performance" -- the reader puts on a convincing show, and the seeker falls for it.  Keep in mind that there is a seeker born every minute...


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One of the turning points in my becoming a skeptic is renting the book, "Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark," from the library.


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