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01 Jul 2021, 12:41 pm

So what's the difference today?



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Difference? Well...not fundamentally any difference regarding Sodom. Sodom and Gomorrah were illustrations of what happens when human beings collectively give in completely to depravity. They were examples of civilizations in which there were no redeeming qualities. You cannot save children in that context because the immorality of such a place is so ingrained into society that simply getting rid of it would cause societal collapse and further damage that would extend beyond that society itself. Children will not understand why they lost their parents and all you can expect from them is rebellion and resentment. I think most of us tend to be super sensitive to the idea of hurting children, so it's difficult to understand Sodom and Gomorrah even in context, but regardless children can at least have the mercy of a quick death. The main point to remember is that any time children in the Bible are killed, it's never as punishment specific to anything innocent children themselves have done, but rather it's the parents who are being punished when their children are taken. For them, the children, it's an act of mercy--else they are condemned to a life of slavery, abuse, hunger, or turning to crime.

The difference between Sodom and the world today is that, at least in Western society, everyone lives according to Old Testament principles in obedience to God. The instruction that "children will live long in the land" was related to obedience of Moses' teachings, so bringing honor to parents was important not because of some magical properties that would make them live longer, but because of the practical benefits of bringing honor to parents. Not all parents are honorable people, so often doing things that bring honor to dishonorable parents meant that children succeeded sometimes in SPITE of their upbringing and not because of it. Nowhere do "honor your parents" and other instructions to love and obey God ever say anyone has to actually believe God exists. Earthly success will depend on your consistency with those ancient commandments and has nothing to do with whether you believe in God or the state of your soul.

Take atheism and the 10 Commandments for example: Atheists cannot violate "no other gods" and "no graven images." If you don't believe in God, it's not likely you'll misuse The Name--nor likely anyone will since no one is completely sure how to even say The Name. Most businesses give employees one day off a week. I don't think most atheists wish to act dishonorably towards their parents. Most people don't kill. MOST people honor their marriage commitments (notice that it's adultery that is forbidden, not strictly speaking fornication). Most people do not steal or lie in court (relatively few people ever actually have to appear in court, only criminals, juries, lawyers, witnesses, and judges). I think covetousness might be the biggest problem we have in society, yes, but you don't have rampant crime over it. Many atheists by an ancient Biblical standard might possibly be the most moral people in modern Western society, perhaps more so than many Christians. As a Christian myself, I don't say that lightly. So if there's ever a question of why it seems unbelievers do better than believers, well...who acts more Godly given scriptural descriptions of holiness?

What about other religions? Hinduism and Buddhism are mostly peaceful religions and have a mostly compatible moral and ethical code. Sikhism, Bahai, Jainism, and even the Religion of Religions itself: Zoroastrianism...they all tend towards an approximately similar moral code that likely stems from a common tradition. Islam brings with it a robust approach to discipline. When I consider how we Christians tend to accept that "justice comes from the Lord" while we don't make the effort to bring justice ourselves, it never surprises me that Islamic extremists commit terrorist acts that cost the lives of thousands of Americans at a time. The ongoing situation between Israel and Palestine is not a surprise. And it's not a surprise because, when you read the Bible, every time people who have been chosen by God to be God's justice on earth refuse to punish those who do evil, evil people ALWAYS come in and impose justice of their own. When we refuse to be the moral backbone of society, someone weaker and less compassionate will always do it for us at our own expense. We are not so far gone that God is going to completely give us over to the consequences of complete and total depravity as was the case in Sodom and Gomorrah. But the less we consciously turn towards God and we allow ourselves to be God's justice on earth, the closer we will get to something like Sodom and Gomorrah.

Regarding the flood, I'll only agree to the extent that evil is pervasive in the world. The difference, though, is the interplay between supernatural beings and humans. In the case of Sodom, human beings were actively seeking out these relationships in ways beyond what God intended as natural for people to do, hence why certain things have been referred to as "sodomy." The problem before the flood wasn't so much that, as the Bible says, the sons of God were mating with daughters of men. The problem was that men preferred giving their daughters to angels or possibly demons. It's not that the resulting children were necessarily destined to be bad people. I'm sure plenty of them were more your Hercules types who did good things, but it could also be that there were those who suffered mentally from incompatibility or they were products of poor upbringing. At any rate, the world was dominated by violent people and giants as a result, and the pervasiveness of it was such that humanity as it was then known was no longer fit to exist on earth.

This is not a problem we will EVER have between now and doomsday because we already know the earth will not be destroyed again by water as it was on at least one and possibly two occasions. I do think that there are some clear parallels between the world as we experience it today and Sodom. There are a few parallels, I think, with the pre-flood world, but the end of the world will likely in many ways be indistinguishable from the days before the flood. As far as Armageddon-level destruction (in the popular sense, not the Biblical sense) goes, I think that end of the world as WE know it will more likely be a problem for my grandchildren and great-grandchildren. We've only passed the 100-year mark since the Great War. We're still a few years out from the centennial of the conclusion of WWII. In my lifetime since 1978, there have been relatively few threats to world peace. There have been no wars on that scale in my lifetime, and we've seen an unprecedented period of peace throughout the world since the 1940s and since Korea. A politically managed Great Recession, a couple of Gulf Wars, and the Biden Flu have been about as bad as I think anything can get for us right now. In other words, it's not that terribly bad considering humanity has endured so much worse. The majority of us are doing SOMETHING right.

But what IS cause for concern is that so many people HAVE turned away from God. I think were are a few short generations away from saying "I don't believe in God" and "I don't need God" to making a more conscious effort at outright disobedience. That's when 9/11 WILL look more like a birthing pain compared to what my grand- and great grandchildren will face...and I don't think even THAT will trigger the actual end of the world. I think if the end is coming that soon, what two or three generations from now will face will be nothing in comparison to what it's really like when it happens. They will more likely understand more what Sodom or the Flood were like than I or anyone now living could ever imagine.



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01 Jul 2021, 2:40 pm

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Difference? Well...not fundamentally any difference regarding Sodom. Sodom and Gomorrah were illustrations of what happens when human beings collectively give in completely to depravity. They were examples of civilizations in which there were no redeeming qualities. You cannot save children in that context because the immorality of such a place is so ingrained into society that simply getting rid of it would cause societal collapse and further damage that would extend beyond that society itself. Children will not understand why they lost their parents and all you can expect from them is rebellion and resentment. I think most of us tend to be super sensitive to the idea of hurting children, so it's difficult to understand Sodom and Gomorrah even in context, but regardless children can at least have the mercy of a quick death. The main point to remember is that any time children in the Bible are killed, it's never as punishment specific to anything innocent children themselves have done, but rather it's the parents who are being punished when their children are taken. For them, the children, it's an act of mercy--else they are condemned to a life of slavery, abuse, hunger, or turning to crime.

The difference between Sodom and the world today is that, at least in Western society, everyone lives according to Old Testament principles in obedience to God. The instruction that "children will live long in the land" was related to obedience of Moses' teachings, so bringing honor to parents was important not because of some magical properties that would make them live longer, but because of the practical benefits of bringing honor to parents. Not all parents are honorable people, so often doing things that bring honor to dishonorable parents meant that children succeeded sometimes in SPITE of their upbringing and not because of it. Nowhere do "honor your parents" and other instructions to love and obey God ever say anyone has to actually believe God exists. Earthly success will depend on your consistency with those ancient commandments and has nothing to do with whether you believe in God or the state of your soul.

Take atheism and the 10 Commandments for example: Atheists cannot violate "no other gods" and "no graven images." If you don't believe in God, it's not likely you'll misuse The Name--nor likely anyone will since no one is completely sure how to even say The Name. Most businesses give employees one day off a week. I don't think most atheists wish to act dishonorably towards their parents. Most people don't kill. MOST people honor their marriage commitments (notice that it's adultery that is forbidden, not strictly speaking fornication). Most people do not steal or lie in court (relatively few people ever actually have to appear in court, only criminals, juries, lawyers, witnesses, and judges). I think covetousness might be the biggest problem we have in society, yes, but you don't have rampant crime over it. Many atheists by an ancient Biblical standard might possibly be the most moral people in modern Western society, perhaps more so than many Christians. As a Christian myself, I don't say that lightly. So if there's ever a question of why it seems unbelievers do better than believers, well...who acts more Godly given scriptural descriptions of holiness?

What about other religions? Hinduism and Buddhism are mostly peaceful religions and have a mostly compatible moral and ethical code. Sikhism, Bahai, Jainism, and even the Religion of Religions itself: Zoroastrianism...they all tend towards an approximately similar moral code that likely stems from a common tradition. Islam brings with it a robust approach to discipline. When I consider how we Christians tend to accept that "justice comes from the Lord" while we don't make the effort to bring justice ourselves, it never surprises me that Islamic extremists commit terrorist acts that cost the lives of thousands of Americans at a time. The ongoing situation between Israel and Palestine is not a surprise. And it's not a surprise because, when you read the Bible, every time people who have been chosen by God to be God's justice on earth refuse to punish those who do evil, evil people ALWAYS come in and impose justice of their own. When we refuse to be the moral backbone of society, someone weaker and less compassionate will always do it for us at our own expense. We are not so far gone that God is going to completely give us over to the consequences of complete and total depravity as was the case in Sodom and Gomorrah. But the less we consciously turn towards God and we allow ourselves to be God's justice on earth, the closer we will get to something like Sodom and Gomorrah.

Regarding the flood, I'll only agree to the extent that evil is pervasive in the world. The difference, though, is the interplay between supernatural beings and humans. In the case of Sodom, human beings were actively seeking out these relationships in ways beyond what God intended as natural for people to do, hence why certain things have been referred to as "sodomy." The problem before the flood wasn't so much that, as the Bible says, the sons of God were mating with daughters of men. The problem was that men preferred giving their daughters to angels or possibly demons. It's not that the resulting children were necessarily destined to be bad people. I'm sure plenty of them were more your Hercules types who did good things, but it could also be that there were those who suffered mentally from incompatibility or they were products of poor upbringing. At any rate, the world was dominated by violent people and giants as a result, and the pervasiveness of it was such that humanity as it was then known was no longer fit to exist on earth.

This is not a problem we will EVER have between now and doomsday because we already know the earth will not be destroyed again by water as it was on at least one and possibly two occasions. I do think that there are some clear parallels between the world as we experience it today and Sodom. There are a few parallels, I think, with the pre-flood world, but the end of the world will likely in many ways be indistinguishable from the days before the flood. As far as Armageddon-level destruction (in the popular sense, not the Biblical sense) goes, I think that end of the world as WE know it will more likely be a problem for my grandchildren and great-grandchildren. We've only passed the 100-year mark since the Great War. We're still a few years out from the centennial of the conclusion of WWII. In my lifetime since 1978, there have been relatively few threats to world peace. There have been no wars on that scale in my lifetime, and we've seen an unprecedented period of peace throughout the world since the 1940s and since Korea. A politically managed Great Recession, a couple of Gulf Wars, and the Biden Flu have been about as bad as I think anything can get for us right now. In other words, it's not that terribly bad considering humanity has endured so much worse. The majority of us are doing SOMETHING right.

But what IS cause for concern is that so many people HAVE turned away from God. I think were are a few short generations away from saying "I don't believe in God" and "I don't need God" to making a more conscious effort at outright disobedience. That's when 9/11 WILL look more like a birthing pain compared to what my grand- and great grandchildren will face...and I don't think even THAT will trigger the actual end of the world. I think if the end is coming that soon, what two or three generations from now will face will be nothing in comparison to what it's really like when it happens. They will more likely understand more what Sodom or the Flood were like than I or anyone now living could ever imagine.


Societal destruction isnt a necessity for ingrained immorality, and saying so is extremist and terrorist rhetoric and fatalistic resignation. Mao's Great Leap Forward, ISIS takeover in the Middle East, the Holocaust, the Bosnian Genocide and basically every single major atrocity and genocide had at its core rhetoric exactly like yours as justification for wholesale slaughter and destruction as the only way to make a difference.

I'm also curious as to what Palestine and Israel have ANYTHING to do with this conversation

You talk about the immorality in the world today as if we're living in the most immoral time in history when the argument can be made for the exact opposite. Throughout history women had no rights and were raped, slavery was rampant, racism accepted, but somehow today is the era of immorality because gays can marry? Dont you think your moral priorities are backwards


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01 Jul 2021, 2:45 pm

Were no different than the folks in S+G, and the folks on the eve of the Flood.

But so were folks a generation ago, and a generation before that, and before that..., and in every other era of human history for the last five thousand years. :lol:



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We actually happened. :wink:


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01 Jul 2021, 6:33 pm

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Difference? Well...not fundamentally any difference regarding Sodom. Sodom and Gomorrah were illustrations of what happens when human beings collectively give in completely to depravity. They were examples of civilizations in which there were no redeeming qualities. You cannot save children in that context because the immorality of such a place is so ingrained into society that simply getting rid of it would cause societal collapse and further damage that would extend beyond that society itself. Children will not understand why they lost their parents and all you can expect from them is rebellion and resentment. I think most of us tend to be super sensitive to the idea of hurting children, so it's difficult to understand Sodom and Gomorrah even in context, but regardless children can at least have the mercy of a quick death. The main point to remember is that any time children in the Bible are killed, it's never as punishment specific to anything innocent children themselves have done, but rather it's the parents who are being punished when their children are taken. For them, the children, it's an act of mercy--else they are condemned to a life of slavery, abuse, hunger, or turning to crime.

The difference between Sodom and the world today is that, at least in Western society, everyone lives according to Old Testament principles in obedience to God. The instruction that "children will live long in the land" was related to obedience of Moses' teachings, so bringing honor to parents was important not because of some magical properties that would make them live longer, but because of the practical benefits of bringing honor to parents. Not all parents are honorable people, so often doing things that bring honor to dishonorable parents meant that children succeeded sometimes in SPITE of their upbringing and not because of it. Nowhere do "honor your parents" and other instructions to love and obey God ever say anyone has to actually believe God exists. Earthly success will depend on your consistency with those ancient commandments and has nothing to do with whether you believe in God or the state of your soul.

Take atheism and the 10 Commandments for example: Atheists cannot violate "no other gods" and "no graven images." If you don't believe in God, it's not likely you'll misuse The Name--nor likely anyone will since no one is completely sure how to even say The Name. Most businesses give employees one day off a week. I don't think most atheists wish to act dishonorably towards their parents. Most people don't kill. MOST people honor their marriage commitments (notice that it's adultery that is forbidden, not strictly speaking fornication). Most people do not steal or lie in court (relatively few people ever actually have to appear in court, only criminals, juries, lawyers, witnesses, and judges). I think covetousness might be the biggest problem we have in society, yes, but you don't have rampant crime over it. Many atheists by an ancient Biblical standard might possibly be the most moral people in modern Western society, perhaps more so than many Christians. As a Christian myself, I don't say that lightly. So if there's ever a question of why it seems unbelievers do better than believers, well...who acts more Godly given scriptural descriptions of holiness?

What about other religions? Hinduism and Buddhism are mostly peaceful religions and have a mostly compatible moral and ethical code. Sikhism, Bahai, Jainism, and even the Religion of Religions itself: Zoroastrianism...they all tend towards an approximately similar moral code that likely stems from a common tradition. Islam brings with it a robust approach to discipline. When I consider how we Christians tend to accept that "justice comes from the Lord" while we don't make the effort to bring justice ourselves, it never surprises me that Islamic extremists commit terrorist acts that cost the lives of thousands of Americans at a time. The ongoing situation between Israel and Palestine is not a surprise. And it's not a surprise because, when you read the Bible, every time people who have been chosen by God to be God's justice on earth refuse to punish those who do evil, evil people ALWAYS come in and impose justice of their own. When we refuse to be the moral backbone of society, someone weaker and less compassionate will always do it for us at our own expense. We are not so far gone that God is going to completely give us over to the consequences of complete and total depravity as was the case in Sodom and Gomorrah. But the less we consciously turn towards God and we allow ourselves to be God's justice on earth, the closer we will get to something like Sodom and Gomorrah.

Regarding the flood, I'll only agree to the extent that evil is pervasive in the world. The difference, though, is the interplay between supernatural beings and humans. In the case of Sodom, human beings were actively seeking out these relationships in ways beyond what God intended as natural for people to do, hence why certain things have been referred to as "sodomy." The problem before the flood wasn't so much that, as the Bible says, the sons of God were mating with daughters of men. The problem was that men preferred giving their daughters to angels or possibly demons. It's not that the resulting children were necessarily destined to be bad people. I'm sure plenty of them were more your Hercules types who did good things, but it could also be that there were those who suffered mentally from incompatibility or they were products of poor upbringing. At any rate, the world was dominated by violent people and giants as a result, and the pervasiveness of it was such that humanity as it was then known was no longer fit to exist on earth.

This is not a problem we will EVER have between now and doomsday because we already know the earth will not be destroyed again by water as it was on at least one and possibly two occasions. I do think that there are some clear parallels between the world as we experience it today and Sodom. There are a few parallels, I think, with the pre-flood world, but the end of the world will likely in many ways be indistinguishable from the days before the flood. As far as Armageddon-level destruction (in the popular sense, not the Biblical sense) goes, I think that end of the world as WE know it will more likely be a problem for my grandchildren and great-grandchildren. We've only passed the 100-year mark since the Great War. We're still a few years out from the centennial of the conclusion of WWII. In my lifetime since 1978, there have been relatively few threats to world peace. There have been no wars on that scale in my lifetime, and we've seen an unprecedented period of peace throughout the world since the 1940s and since Korea. A politically managed Great Recession, a couple of Gulf Wars, and the Biden Flu have been about as bad as I think anything can get for us right now. In other words, it's not that terribly bad considering humanity has endured so much worse. The majority of us are doing SOMETHING right.

But what IS cause for concern is that so many people HAVE turned away from God. I think were are a few short generations away from saying "I don't believe in God" and "I don't need God" to making a more conscious effort at outright disobedience. That's when 9/11 WILL look more like a birthing pain compared to what my grand- and great grandchildren will face...and I don't think even THAT will trigger the actual end of the world. I think if the end is coming that soon, what two or three generations from now will face will be nothing in comparison to what it's really like when it happens. They will more likely understand more what Sodom or the Flood were like than I or anyone now living could ever imagine.


Societal destruction isnt a necessity for ingrained immorality, and saying so is extremist and terrorist rhetoric and fatalistic resignation. Mao's Great Leap Forward, ISIS takeover in the Middle East, the Holocaust, the Bosnian Genocide and basically every single major atrocity and genocide had at its core rhetoric exactly like yours as justification for wholesale slaughter and destruction as the only way to make a difference.

I'm also curious as to what Palestine and Israel have ANYTHING to do with this conversation

You talk about the immorality in the world today as if we're living in the most immoral time in history when the argument can be made for the exact opposite. Throughout history women had no rights and were raped, slavery was rampant, racism accepted, but somehow today is the era of immorality because gays can marry? Dont you think your moral priorities are backwards

I didn’t say anything about gays marrying. I do not believe the sins of Sodom are as simple as consensual, gay sex.

I never said we were living in the most immoral time in history. I think we owe the level of peace we have in the world at the moment to an unconscious conformity to Biblical morality, hence we mostly reap the benefits of it. That is not to ignore that wars still happen. My comments regarding Israel and Palestine had to do with Israelites being repeatedly dispossessed or denied self rule, and we live in a unique time when Israel’s sovereignty is protected, whereas past periods of conquest by Chaldeans, Persians, Greeks, Romans, and Muslims served to impose morality on or within the nation at times when morality was lacking. Foreign rule was beneficial, too, since it provided strength and protection that Judea/Palestine lacked on its own. That is no longer the case post-war, Israelis have the ability to assert their own, independent dominance in the area, and you have the current situation that you are well familiar with yourself.

The problem that the current generation has is the mistaken assumption that morality is subjective. It’s not that there’s no such thing as subjective morality. It’s that subjective morality does not afford certainty when human beings thrive best when they can know right from wrong, which is best interpolated from objective reality itself. What is best for individual humans is that which preserves human life. That is the core of objective morality. Things that keep people alive are good; things that destroy human life are bad/evil. All other truths we can know with certainty follow roughly the same pattern of logic. The idea of subjective morality ignores the source of objective morality and frames all moral experiences within ad hoc situational ethics as opposed to reason. Societies that operate without reason will not thrive, and that is the direction I see society taking.

If I am wrong, it is only because future generations at least find hope in reason and reverse course. If Christ doesn’t return first, I could easily see a situation in which intellectuals and leaders withdraw entirely from society and cooperate within secluded, protected communities, a sort of objectivist Rapture. I think a new society could be built from these enclaves, but only after people who embrace their immoral lifestyle become extinct. There will be no NAZI-style extermination camps. They’ll consume each other. Until that day comes, you won’t see anything remotely like what appeared on the earth before the flood and before the fire.

The problem of extremist views is you have to consider whether an extremist view happens to actually be right. This particular topic presupposes the Biblical events of Sodom and the flood, so to honestly explore the topic you must first understand the most fundamental of scriptural of truths: God made the universe and everything in it, including the Earth and everything in IT. If God wants to destroy everything and begin anew, He can do that and there’s nothing we can do or say to stop Him. I’m not afraid of being labeled an extremist, though I’m not sure how we can get from having extreme views (it really just amounts to “either-or”) to being on the same level as suicide bombers. That just seems bizarre to me that anyone would consider me an extremist, but I never got far in life being concerned with what people think of me.



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01 Jul 2021, 9:22 pm

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So what's the difference today?


We don't have an intolerant God to murder entire cities of people just because they don't act in a way He wants. (Seriously, it is really a dark place in the Bible: so much for forgiveness and love.) Today, we have authoritarian governments murdering their own people.



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One difference (in my view) is that the Sodom thing is a myth where we know the (likely fictional) ending, but today is actually happening and we don't know how it will turn out. Humans might pull out of the holocaust that seems to be coming, or they might not.

Another difference is that the Sodom thing was about a deity autonomously choosing to smite a community for insubordination. The current situation is that there's no conscious agency preparing to smite us, it's just natural cause and effect. We're bringing it on ourselves, or a bit more accurately, they're bringing it on ourselves.

A third difference is that we won't escape by apologising profusely to their deity for our rotten ways and obeying its edicts to the letter from now on. I'm not aware of any religious law that specifically tells us not to overheat the planet. Our religions are mostly rather old things and whoever made up the rules didn't know we'd ever be powerful enough to do that.



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03 Jul 2021, 1:09 pm

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So what's the difference today?


Whats the similarity?



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03 Jul 2021, 5:26 pm

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this time, it's human industriousness and not sodomy that's not angering any god but just causing a chemical chain reaction.
So... turns out sodomy is fine, burning wood, coal or oil and herding cattle is not.

so, sodomize and get sodomized to your heart's content, I guess.


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03 Jul 2021, 5:33 pm

shlaifu wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
So what's the difference today?


this time, it's human industriousness and not sodomy that's not angering any god but just causing a chemical chain reaction.
So... turns out sodomy is fine, burning wood, coal or oil and herding cattle is not.

so, sodomize and get sodomized to your heart's content, I guess.


You mean it isn't buttsex or the decline in the number of pirates causing climate change? 8O


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Mountain Goat wrote:
So what's the difference today?


Whats the similarity?


I raized this question for you lot to look at and answer.

Often I see the world and ask myself what is the difference because the world today has the same sins before God as it did in the days before the flood. We often assume we are not as guilty, but if we judge ourselves by the Ten Commandments, we are all guilty of breaking at least one... If not several of them throughout our lives.
The Bible does mention that mankinds thoughts were evil continually before the flood. My thoughts are half and half as I am far from perfect and I am the first to admit I am a sinner which is why I need a Saviour. But it does make me think what it was like before the flood and why God repented that he made mankind. It is sad for God to think that. It broke His heart.



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Mountain Goat wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
So what's the difference today?


Whats the similarity?


I raized this question for you lot to look at and answer.

Often I see the world and ask myself what is the difference because the world today has the same sins before God as it did in the days before the flood. We often assume we are not as guilty, but if we judge ourselves by the Ten Commandments, we are all guilty of breaking at least one... If not several of them throughout our lives.
The Bible does mention that mankinds thoughts were evil continually before the flood. My thoughts are half and half as I am far from perfect and I am the first to admit I am a sinner which is why I need a Saviour. But it does make me think what it was like before the flood and why God repented that he made mankind. It is sad for God to think that. It broke His heart.


That maybe true that folks are sinful today just like they were in the two periods in question. But then it was also of folks in every other generation of human history for the two thousand years.



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03 Jul 2021, 6:39 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
shlaifu wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
So what's the difference today?


this time, it's human industriousness and not sodomy that's not angering any god but just causing a chemical chain reaction.
So... turns out sodomy is fine, burning wood, coal or oil and herding cattle is not.

so, sodomize and get sodomized to your heart's content, I guess.


You mean it isn't buttsex or the decline in the number of pirates causing climate change? 8O


ooooh. a Pastafarian. I haven't seen Pastafarian thelogoical wisdom in a while.

and no, basically, the lack of buttsex in the past is basically what brought us here.
.... pirates spent a lot of time on sea, with few women around. maybe that's the connection....


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03 Jul 2021, 8:07 pm

Mountain Goat wrote:
I raized this question for you lot to look at and answer.

And you got 6 answers, including mine. Isn't that enough? The comment "what's the similarity?" is also an answer because in effect it's saying there are so many differences that it would make more sense to look for similarities. At least that's what I think.

The gist of what you seem to be saying in your first post is that you think the modern global warming problem and the Noah's Ark story are pretty much the same event, and that as a theist you see a lot of theological meaning in it. And you got the comments you got from the (largely different) perspectives of the people who commented, much like any other thread round here. I don't understand what more you were hoping for. I suppose concurrence would have been nice, but that would be a job for any theists who genuinely agree with you.



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03 Jul 2021, 9:55 pm

Mountain Goat wrote:
So what's the difference today?

For starters, a bunch of pinko commie liberals decided that it is no longer acceptable to offer up one’s virgin daughters to slake the sexual appetites of a bunch of inhospitable dudes demanding butt sex. But, then again, maybe if they had been adequately traumatized, said daughters wouldn’t have ended boning their dad while he was passed out drunk.