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04 Dec 2021, 2:01 am

I'm surprised nobody has already made a thread about this.

The U.S. Supreme Court had a hearing a couple days ago on Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 case that legalized abortion nationwide. Given the court's conservative tilt, there's a very real possibility that they will overturn Roe and leave the issue of abortion back up to the states, which would end legal abortion in up to half of the states.

I read a few legal analyses on the hearing. Justice Coney Barrett asked what the implications for other landmark cases such as the marriage equality and contraceptives ones would be if Roe were overturned. Justice Kavanaugh likened Roe to Plessy v. Ferguson, the case that established racial segregation and the "separate but equal" doctrine.

I am very concerned and disheartened that half of the population could lose their basic human rights to bodily autonomy by next summer. I am furthermore concerned, as a member of the LGBT community, that overturning Roe could put other civil rights cases such as the ones that legalized marriage equality and struck down sodomy laws in jeopardy. I know the left has been very doom and gloom since the hearings, but I wouldn't mind hearing something at least slightly optimistic, if at all possible.


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04 Dec 2021, 4:03 am

You're probably going to lose Roe, but I don't think it will go much further than that, even RGB thought Roe was bad law when it was decided, and it's only hung in this long through stare decisis, throwing the issue back to the states is likely to be good in the long run.


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04 Dec 2021, 4:04 am

i'm always surprised there's no other way of birth control in the usa??
i feel men have a BIG interest in keeping the abortion option "alive"
(i know also cons make the point of it being a womans prefered choice, but its most often physically/mentally coerced imho
-- also i'm pro-choice, but there's bad acting going on for too long)
all the new ways of oppression in the name of liberation, ty 8)



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04 Dec 2021, 4:49 am

Dox47 wrote:
You're probably going to lose Roe, but I don't think it will go much further than that, even RGB thought Roe was bad law when it was decided, and it's only hung in this long through stare decisis, throwing the issue back to the states is likely to be good in the long run.


Why do you think leaving the issue to the states is better in the long run?


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04 Dec 2021, 4:57 am

This is what happens when you let men have opinions about abortion. They form the entire opposition.

No uterus, no opinion, unless you’re in favor of abortion.

The only acceptable option: Unrestricted, on-demand, without apology, completely taxpayer-funded, and completely available during the third trimester. Anything else is sexist.

We’re not even Texas anymore, we’re Abbottistan


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04 Dec 2021, 5:54 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
This is what happens when you let men have opinions about abortion. They form the entire opposition.



Oh look, Tim being completely wrong again.

https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/pub ... -abortion/

It gets more granular, but the tl;dr is 37% of women want a complete ban, and that's just for the most extreme position.


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04 Dec 2021, 6:07 am

Descartes wrote:
Why do you think leaving the issue to the states is better in the long run?


It's been festering for close to 50 years now because the Supreme Court swooped in and invented a right that wasn't actually in the Constitution, when it should have been a narrow ruling and been allowed to play out in state law. It's been legally precarious all these years because of the tenuous law it was based on, and so if Roe falls and the states are allowed to do what they want, Federalism will be allowed to work, people may move based on it, and if enough people think it's important enough, we might someday get an actual amendment properly protecting abortion, or not, but it's not going to be the quick fix bandaid on a bullet hole that Roe was.


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04 Dec 2021, 7:25 am

Descartes wrote:
Overturning Roe could put other civil rights cases such as the ones that legalized marriage equality and struck down sodomy laws in jeopardy.


My sentiments exactly. If a couple is having non-Missionary sex in their own apartment, and they accidentally make too much noise, they are completely at the mercy of a potential “Karen”. Next thing you know, the cops (who are nothing more than state-sponsored terrorists as it is) are busting down the couple’s door. And that’s if they’re married. Unmarried couples wouldn’t be allowed to live together at all, if the conservatives have their way.

Fornication shouldn’t be illegal. If anything, it should be mandatory.


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04 Dec 2021, 7:30 am

i can't help but feel this is a definite trend towards Gilead.



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04 Dec 2021, 7:48 am

auntblabby wrote:
i can't help but feel this is a definite trend towards Gilead.


And with voter suppression and gerrymandering, the only way to liberate a state like Texas would be groups like Antifa, BLM, and La Raza Unida doing a 1/6-style siege of the state capitol.


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04 Dec 2021, 7:52 am

if i lived there, i'd leave with the shirt on my back and nothing else. homelessness i've experienced before and it would still be better for a non-financially talented person than to live there.



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04 Dec 2021, 8:08 am

Austin is not “Texas.”



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04 Dec 2021, 8:35 am

austin is still subject to the same stupid/backward/outright mean laws and political whims as the rest of texas.



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04 Dec 2021, 9:32 am



Hehe, Just in the 'Nick' of 'Time', The 'Philosophy, Politics, And Religion Forum' on The 'Wrong Planet'

Comes Roaring Back with "Abortion Rights on the Chopping Block", Surely A Topic

That Will Last For A While; As For A Few Days Hehe, it was Basically on Life Support

With my one Solo Thread, More Restricted to Readers Than Writers Per
75,355 Views Now, Still A Philosophy of 'The Depth of the Story' And It's

True, This Topic Is Indeed A Much Deeper Story

Than Meets Just A Casual Review of

What Laws Are Applied

Correctly or Not; Yes, For Real;
For In this, Case A Much Larger View/

Issue is Church in Bed With State And

A Core Group of Republican Constituents

Who Are Hoping to Move to More of An Old

Testament Authoritarian Democracy To Put Their

Old God In Charge That Seems to Approve More of

Daughters Being

Raped than

FRiEnDS

Being 'Sodomized'

As Such, Changing the

Laws So Poor Daughters Who

Are Not Able to Afford to Travel
To States That Support Humane Rights

Who Are Raped Truly Through 'Evil' Incestuous

Means By Father's Without Empathy For Their Daughter's Needs

Are Forced to Carry A True Evil Spawned to Term, No Matter How
Much that Harms the Entire Life of the Abused And Raped Child;

So Do We Really Wanna

Go the Route of

Third World

Authoritarian
Theocracy Regimes;

Well It's True, The Republican
Party Doesn't Even Have 'The Nuts'

Now To Protect The US Capitol From Another
Potential Insurrectional Overthrow of Democracy...

Really All That's At Stake Here, Overall, Is Our Way of
Life, Where We Are No Longer At The Hold of An Authoritarian

Theocracy

That Forces

Everyone to Live

By Their Rule of
What They View God to Be...

So is Church Really Separated From State;

So Does Church Really Not Dictate Who to Vote For
From the Pulpit in Fear of Losing Tax Exempt Status;

NO, NO, NO; Church is A 'Sacred Cow' Protected in 'Trump States';

From the Pulpit of A Large Catholic Church i Research, The Head Priest

Dictated That God Is Telling The Folks To Vote For Trump to Thwart
A Women's Right And A Poor Child's Refusal to Be Abused And Raped By

Big Daddy's

Selfish

Psychopathic-Like
Needs And Carry What
Feels Like 'Evil Spawn' to Term;

Any Human With Any Basic Sense

of Common Human Decency And
Any Real Level of True Empathy for

Others Who Are Enduring Hell on
Earth Should See Just How 'Evil' This State

And Church Supported Move Truly Is For Real
Living Folks On Earth Now; Yet It's True An Idol

of Worship

Is More

Important

Than the Welfare

of a Little Girl, Abused
And Raped in Incest By

A Daddy CLaWinG His Way

Into 'Her Soul' to Take Away;

True, When Obama Legalized Gay

Marriage, The Priest Also From the Pulpit

Notified the Congregation That the Church
Could No Longer Recognize This Country With

An Hooray for the New Leadership of Trump; Playing

Lap Dog Sucking Up to Partisan Politics Through the Whole

Term Where

God Became
More State than Church...

i Watched the Whole Disgusting

Spectacle as a Participant Anthropology

Observer And Took Detailed Notes, Indeed,

For A Much Deeper Story of What is Still to Come....

Settling Back into my Easy Chair With a 24 Inch View
into my REAL 'Garden of Eden' Before this iMac 27.1 Inch

Screen

Motioning

To 'Eve' to Pass
The Popcorn Indeed,

Let The Discussion Carry
On Without a Deeper Story for Now...

Yet It's True, if The Supreme Court Trump
Picks attempt to Side-Step Over-Turning

Roe Vs Wade For Political Purposes of Not

Heating Up the Democrat and Independent
Vote Against 'This New Republican Way' too Much;

And Still Supports The Mississippi Incestuous Abuse, Rape, And
Carrying of A Child to Term By 'Legal Force' of A Child too Poor to Get

The Help They Need in Another State; Wake the F Up Folks, We Are

Headed

to A Third

World Way

of Authoritarian

Theocracy As Many

Other Countries Seem to
Be Headed to As Well, Whether

That Comes in Terms of Church or State;

And The Even Deeper Meaning of the Story is

So Many Folks Have Lost Common Bonds and Binds

In Meaning and Purpose in Life; That What's Ever Left

Over of Hairless Apes Holding Hands Together over DarK

or LiGHT

Wins Over

The Chaos

of Little Direction,

Purpose, and Meaning of
Life; What Social Animals Do, Overall,

Either Rising Together or Falling in Division...

What Bonds And Binds Commonly At Core Is 'Religion'; And in this
Way, All Social Animals Successful or Failing Are Either Unified or Divided...

Bonding Over

Little Girls

Having to
Carry Incestuous
Spawn to Term Through
Abuse And Rape is Truly

Not A Good State or Church 'Look';

Of Course, Unless Church And State
Wanna Hold Hands That Way...

Oh Thanks!

For the Popcorn 'Eve'...

Meanwhile State, If you
Have to Amend The Frigging
Constitution to FIX THIS, 'JUST DO IT'...

OR PERHAPS FALL; THAT'S SURELY ABOVE
MY PAYGRADE OF LOVE...

YES PAY RATE

AND CURRENCY TOO...

IF NECESSARY, if it actually
Comes to it; There Are Surely
Other Places to Live Still Free in This World

Separated

From 'The

Church';

A Real
Devil, Some of
Us Already See and Taste...

Never The Less, We All 'Better' Seek/Find/Do

'A Religion' Or 'State' That Actually Works For Free Together...



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04 Dec 2021, 11:24 am

If you performed a post-6-week abortion in Texas and chanted “Hell no, I won’t pay!” (the $10,000 bounty), Abbott would sic his storm troopers so fast your head would spin. And if you refuse to pay the bounty, off to jail you go.

He won’t allow civil disobedience.

My civil disobedient act would involve violating another one of his hallmark laws: sending an unsolicited dick pic…to his wife.


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04 Dec 2021, 11:50 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
If you performed a post-6-week abortion in Texas and chanted “Hell no, I won’t pay!” (the $10,000 bounty), Abbott would sic his storm troopers so fast your head would spin. And if you refuse to pay the bounty, off to jail you go.

He won’t allow civil disobedience.

My civil disobedient act would involve violating another one of his hallmark laws: sending an unsolicited dick pic…to his wife.


Why harass her? He's the problem.


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