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22 Nov 2022, 5:55 am
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It is about mass rapes of soldiers against the defenseless civilian population.
Depending on the source, it is reported differently.
According to Russian "historiography", either mass rapes did not occur or they were limited to a few sporadic (and in wartime unavoidable) individual cases.
According to Western "historiography," the Soviets were guilty of an unknown number of rapes of women, men, and children.
The estimated number varies from a few hundred thousand to 2 million cases.
Coming to terms with these difficult historical moments is difficult today, even though only 75 years have passed.
I would like to quote here some opinions about it:
British historian Antony Beevor claims that this was "the largest mass rape phenomenon in history " and concluded that at least 1.4 million women were raped in parts of East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia alone.
American historian William Hitchcock says that in many cases women were subjected to repeated rapes, some as many as 60 to 70 times.
It is believed that at least 100,000 women were raped in Berlin alone. This statistic comes from hospital reports. This is because in the months following the Soviet invasion, some 10,000 pregnancies were terminated in the city's hospitals.
The number of women who died in connection with rape in postwar Germany is estimated at 240,000.
According to Natalya Gesse, Soviet soldiers raped German "women" between the ages of eight and eighty.
Depending on the source, it is reported differently.
According to Russian "historiography", either mass rapes did not occur or they were limited to a few sporadic (and in wartime unavoidable) individual cases.
According to Western "historiography," the Soviets were guilty of an unknown number of rapes of women, men, and children.
The estimated number varies from a few hundred thousand to 2 million cases.
Coming to terms with these difficult historical moments is difficult today, even though only 75 years have passed.
I would like to quote here some opinions about it:
British historian Antony Beevor claims that this was "the largest mass rape phenomenon in history " and concluded that at least 1.4 million women were raped in parts of East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia alone.
American historian William Hitchcock says that in many cases women were subjected to repeated rapes, some as many as 60 to 70 times.
It is believed that at least 100,000 women were raped in Berlin alone. This statistic comes from hospital reports. This is because in the months following the Soviet invasion, some 10,000 pregnancies were terminated in the city's hospitals.
The number of women who died in connection with rape in postwar Germany is estimated at 240,000.
According to Natalya Gesse, Soviet soldiers raped German "women" between the ages of eight and eighty.
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22 Nov 2022, 6:00 am
magz wrote:
Realizing the crimes of communism, including the way they "liberated" people, is not whitewashing the nazi. Why would it be?
cyberdad has always been a communist apologist.
We have crossed "swords" on many occasions over the 9 years I have been a member.
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22 Nov 2022, 6:05 am
magz wrote:
How does that relate to anything I've said?
Refer to:
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non se·qui·tur ˌnän-ˈse-kwə-tər
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: an inference (see inference sense 1) that does not follow from the premises (see premise entry 1 sense 1)
also -ˌtu̇r
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: an inference (see inference sense 1) that does not follow from the premises (see premise entry 1 sense 1)
https://www.merriam-webster.com/diction ... 20sequitur
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22 Nov 2022, 6:08 am
magz wrote:
You really believe it had just one source, in addition a pretty distant one?
Then you're ignoring all the processes that took place in Europe before, during and after WWI.
Then you're ignoring all the processes that took place in Europe before, during and after WWI.
Some ppl have a habit of over simplifying.
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22 Nov 2022, 6:11 am
cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
It was horrible what the Russians did to the Germans.
Absolutely true. While the Nazis had done horrible atrocities during the war, the common people did not. What we are seeing today in Ukraine is very much a replay of what Stalin's troops had committed.
Nobody wants to see this in 2022 but drawing lines from Putin to Stalin is a non-sequitur
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22 Nov 2022, 6:18 am
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
And how did the Ukrainian women deserve the same treatment?
Your argument is illogical, as per usual.
Your argument is illogical, as per usual.
I was talking about WWII. You said the Russians are carrying on a "tradition" against Ukrainian civilians.
It seems the Ukrainians are much the same
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds- ... laborator/
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/uk ... aborators/
Once again, your logic is wanting.
Your statement has no connection with what I have said.
My statement stands on its own merit.
What I said is not invalidated by what you have said.
But I suspect you can't see the distinction.
"Curious", but not unexpected.
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22 Nov 2022, 6:22 am
kraftiekortie wrote:
How did I “miss the first line?”
I acknowledged the suffering endured by German civilians. They didn’t deserve what happened to them.
I was talking about “genocide being genocide,” no matter if it’s, say, 10 million killed versus 30 million killed.
What am I an “apologist” for?
If you believe I’m an “apologist,” then YOUR logic is deeply flawed.
I acknowledged the suffering endured by German civilians. They didn’t deserve what happened to them.
I was talking about “genocide being genocide,” no matter if it’s, say, 10 million killed versus 30 million killed.
What am I an “apologist” for?
If you believe I’m an “apologist,” then YOUR logic is deeply flawed.
You missed my connection between what happened in WWII against German civilians to what has happened to the civilian population in Ukraine.
Where did I suggest you were an apologist?
You have misinterpreted what I said.
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