YouTube will remove videos disputing the 2020 election

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10 Dec 2020, 6:26 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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This just proves something is off. People have a right to debate the results of an election. And when you remove videos involving those debates, you are just proving other peoples suspicions. Removing these videos is just silencing people.


Does this oblige them to continue to host videos promoting blatant disinformation? Are they obliged to host all disinformation, or would some topics like holocaust denial be too far?
Comparing the Holocaust with the Election is like comparing apples and oranges, my friend. The Holocaust meant People were targeted and marked for extermination for being different.
Questioning the Election is far different. In regard to Covid-19, Let's not forget you have several Governors and politicians caught red handed not following their own rules for the virus. Pelosi was caught red handed walking into a Hair salon without a mask. Newsom was caught at a party while everyone else is expected to social distance. We live in a society that mentally beats us to think a certain way, And anyone who doesn't, gets silenced. The mis-information in regard to the election is subjective, Because how do you YOU know your information hasn't been altered for a certain goal and or objective? Believe what you want, That is your right. But don't sit here and call the Republicans mis-informed when you have been played by the other side of the same coin. I don't care for either party, to be fair. We're all being played.


Well I mean to be fair it is a fact that Joe Biden won and Trump lost, so any republican disputing that is at the very least misinformed.
And you guys did the same thing when Trump beat Hillary.


I never did any such thing, I was disappointed that he won but I didn't think it was fraudulent. Also, an impeachment isn't the same thing as denying the results of the election like Trump is doing if that is what you're referring to.

Also, what exactly do you mean you guys? just want to know what I am being lumped in with lol.
I was simply saying the Democrats thought Trumps 1st election was fraudulent. You know, The Russians being involved.



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10 Dec 2020, 6:30 pm

StayFrosty wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
StayFrosty wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
StayFrosty wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
StayFrosty wrote:
This just proves something is off. People have a right to debate the results of an election. And when you remove videos involving those debates, you are just proving other peoples suspicions. Removing these videos is just silencing people.


Does this oblige them to continue to host videos promoting blatant disinformation? Are they obliged to host all disinformation, or would some topics like holocaust denial be too far?
Comparing the Holocaust with the Election is like comparing apples and oranges, my friend. The Holocaust meant People were targeted and marked for extermination for being different.
Questioning the Election is far different. In regard to Covid-19, Let's not forget you have several Governors and politicians caught red handed not following their own rules for the virus. Pelosi was caught red handed walking into a Hair salon without a mask. Newsom was caught at a party while everyone else is expected to social distance. We live in a society that mentally beats us to think a certain way, And anyone who doesn't, gets silenced. The mis-information in regard to the election is subjective, Because how do you YOU know your information hasn't been altered for a certain goal and or objective? Believe what you want, That is your right. But don't sit here and call the Republicans mis-informed when you have been played by the other side of the same coin. I don't care for either party, to be fair. We're all being played.


Well I mean to be fair it is a fact that Joe Biden won and Trump lost, so any republican disputing that is at the very least misinformed.
And you guys did the same thing when Trump beat Hillary.


I never did any such thing, I was disappointed that he won but I didn't think it was fraudulent. Also, an impeachment isn't the same thing as denying the results of the election like Trump is doing if that is what you're referring to.

Also, what exactly do you mean you guys? just want to know what I am being lumped in with lol.
I was simply saying the Democrats thought Trumps 1st election was fraudulent. You know, The Russians being involved.


Well I am not a democrat, and I thought the implication was more that they meddled not that the end results were fake. IDK I was a lot more concerned with the damage Trump was doing to the environment during that whole thing.


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10 Dec 2020, 6:36 pm

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They allow Vids that claim that Queen Elizabeth is an alien Reptoid, and they allow vids that claim that the Earth is flat.
Queen Elizabeth bein a reptoid is funny. The flat Earthers is also funny.

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10 Dec 2020, 6:38 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
StayFrosty wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
StayFrosty wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
StayFrosty wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
StayFrosty wrote:
This just proves something is off. People have a right to debate the results of an election. And when you remove videos involving those debates, you are just proving other peoples suspicions. Removing these videos is just silencing people.


Does this oblige them to continue to host videos promoting blatant disinformation? Are they obliged to host all disinformation, or would some topics like holocaust denial be too far?
Comparing the Holocaust with the Election is like comparing apples and oranges, my friend. The Holocaust meant People were targeted and marked for extermination for being different.
Questioning the Election is far different. In regard to Covid-19, Let's not forget you have several Governors and politicians caught red handed not following their own rules for the virus. Pelosi was caught red handed walking into a Hair salon without a mask. Newsom was caught at a party while everyone else is expected to social distance. We live in a society that mentally beats us to think a certain way, And anyone who doesn't, gets silenced. The mis-information in regard to the election is subjective, Because how do you YOU know your information hasn't been altered for a certain goal and or objective? Believe what you want, That is your right. But don't sit here and call the Republicans mis-informed when you have been played by the other side of the same coin. I don't care for either party, to be fair. We're all being played.


Well I mean to be fair it is a fact that Joe Biden won and Trump lost, so any republican disputing that is at the very least misinformed.
And you guys did the same thing when Trump beat Hillary.


I never did any such thing, I was disappointed that he won but I didn't think it was fraudulent. Also, an impeachment isn't the same thing as denying the results of the election like Trump is doing if that is what you're referring to.

Also, what exactly do you mean you guys? just want to know what I am being lumped in with lol.
I was simply saying the Democrats thought Trumps 1st election was fraudulent. You know, The Russians being involved.


Well I am not a democrat, and I thought the implication was more that they meddled not that the end results were fake. IDK I was a lot more concerned with the damage Trump was doing to the environment during that whole thing.
I'm more in the middle than anything else. US politics is comedy central material.



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10 Dec 2020, 6:42 pm

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But its like the old question "does free speech include yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater?".
That's like yelling Shark at the beach.



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10 Dec 2020, 6:47 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
StayFrosty wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
StayFrosty wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
StayFrosty wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
StayFrosty wrote:
This just proves something is off. People have a right to debate the results of an election. And when you remove videos involving those debates, you are just proving other peoples suspicions. Removing these videos is just silencing people.


Does this oblige them to continue to host videos promoting blatant disinformation? Are they obliged to host all disinformation, or would some topics like holocaust denial be too far?
Comparing the Holocaust with the Election is like comparing apples and oranges, my friend. The Holocaust meant People were targeted and marked for extermination for being different.
Questioning the Election is far different. In regard to Covid-19, Let's not forget you have several Governors and politicians caught red handed not following their own rules for the virus. Pelosi was caught red handed walking into a Hair salon without a mask. Newsom was caught at a party while everyone else is expected to social distance. We live in a society that mentally beats us to think a certain way, And anyone who doesn't, gets silenced. The mis-information in regard to the election is subjective, Because how do you YOU know your information hasn't been altered for a certain goal and or objective? Believe what you want, That is your right. But don't sit here and call the Republicans mis-informed when you have been played by the other side of the same coin. I don't care for either party, to be fair. We're all being played.


Well I mean to be fair it is a fact that Joe Biden won and Trump lost, so any republican disputing that is at the very least misinformed.
And you guys did the same thing when Trump beat Hillary.


I never did any such thing, I was disappointed that he won but I didn't think it was fraudulent. Also, an impeachment isn't the same thing as denying the results of the election like Trump is doing if that is what you're referring to.

Also, what exactly do you mean you guys? just want to know what I am being lumped in with lol.
I was simply saying the Democrats thought Trumps 1st election was fraudulent. You know, The Russians being involved.


IDK I was a lot more concerned with the damage Trump was doing to the environment during that whole thing.
I'll give it a 100 years until mankind goes extinct.



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10 Dec 2020, 6:55 pm

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I'll give it a 100 years until mankind goes extinct.


The MIT predictive model from the 1970s gives a little bit less time than 100 yrs



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10 Dec 2020, 6:56 pm

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I'm more in the middle than anything else. US politics is comedy central material.


I'd say I lean more socialist, and so even the democrats are too centristic for me. I still voted democrat in the election but yeah kind of one of those lesser evil things I suppose.

That said I don't disagree that it is indeed comedy central material.


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10 Dec 2020, 6:58 pm

StayFrosty wrote:
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IDK I was a lot more concerned with the damage Trump was doing to the environment during that whole thing.
I'll give it a 100 years until mankind goes extinct.


But why should we have to go extinct in the first place? The environmental crisis could be alleviated. Also, we aren't the only animals on this planet.


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10 Dec 2020, 7:23 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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IDK I was a lot more concerned with the damage Trump was doing to the environment during that whole thing.
I'll give it a 100 years until mankind goes extinct.


But why should we have to go extinct in the first place? The environmental crisis could be alleviated. Also, we aren't the only animals on this planet.
Because mankind's own greed will be it's demise.



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10 Dec 2020, 7:37 pm

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I'll give it a 100 years until mankind goes extinct.


The MIT predictive model from the 1970s gives a little bit less time than 100 yrs


I'll take the bet on mankind surviving. Unfortunately I won't be alive in 100 years to collect (barring a major medical breakthrough)


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10 Dec 2020, 7:43 pm

These are predictions I have been hearing since childhood (about 50 to 60 years ago):

By the Year 2000...

... Air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half.

... Civilization will end by unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.

... Eating will no longer be necessary, as food will be replaced by pills.

... Every family will have at least one personal flying jet-pack, and at least one flying car.

... Hand-held laser pistols will replace projectile weapons (guns).

... High-speed monorail system will link all major cities in the U.S.

... Humanity will completely run out of copper, lead, zinc, tin, gold, and silver.

... Permanent human settlements will be established on the moon.

... Poverty and homelessness will be eliminated.

... The world will be eleven degrees colder, which is about twice what it takes to put us into an ice age.

... Urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution.

... We will be using up crude oil at such a rate that there won’t be any more crude oil left.

... We will have controlled nuclear fusion, with individual fusion-electric generators in every home.


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10 Dec 2020, 7:58 pm

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It's all really very simple.  YouTube has the right to police its contents, and they are exercising that right.  The fact that people are angry because they can no longer exploit YouTube's formerly loose standards to spread lies and disinformation is beside the point, because no matter what YouTube does, someone is going to be upset.

The people who formed Parler have the right idea: If you cannot tolerate being corrected and censored, then start a new website of your own -- "If you build it, they will come".  So the solution is not to complain that Mr. Trump and his followers are being treated unfairly; the solution is to set up another video-based website and invite Mr. Trump and his followers to post there freely.

I mean, if you do not like the way WrongPlanet is being run, you either keep your head down and deal with it, or you run off an create your own autism-focused website and invite all those who have an axe to grind against WP to join you, right?  So just go ahead and build another YouTube wannabe site and forget about the original.  You will be glad you did!


I had a long post queued up, WP sent me through recaptcha and for some reason no matter how many boats I correctly identify that results in the post being lost. This is going to end up being the cliff notes version and unfortunately not nearly as good.

Basically, I've witnessed a disturbing tend of politicization and polarization in this country. On one side we have Trump's cult of personality. On the other side we have the cult of righteousness. Because I work in academia in a very blue state I have far more experience dealing with the left than the right. I been on the receiving end of social punishment for daring to express an opinion counter to left wing dogma. I have no illusions that people on the right are any better. I think if I lived in Trump dominated country I'd be called a SJW communist, instead of a racist fascist.

That's the real problem. People seem much more concerned with shouting over each other than talking to each other. Each side is under the illusion it can win. 70 million people voted for each presidential candidate, no side is steamrolling the other. Yet that seems to be the prevailing politcal strategy. I've seen first hand how bubbletastic segments of society can be. I don't know any Trump supporters, and most people in my orbit think Biden is too right wing. Say what you will about the WP PPR forum, but it isn't an echo chamber. We have a diverse collection of characters willing to at least talk at and occasionally even to each other.

Youtube has the right to police their own content however they want. I'm not arguing against that. However, I see this move as a continuation in the trend of censoring speech you disagree with instead of arguing against it. I truly believe the solution to speech you don't like is more speech not censorship.

I don't want a competing platform that's a safe haven for Trump supporters as that would just exacerbate the problem. I don't even want a competing platform that is committed to freedom of expression. What I want is for us as a society to decide that freedom of expression matters and that arguing about politics is ok. I would hope a major media platform like youtube would be in sync with that.

I won't stop using youtube. I don't watch anything political on youtube instead using it for music, chess, and d&d videos so this has 0 impact on my personal experience. And I agree that people making videos disputing the election results are part of the problem. I just don't think taking down their videos is the right thing to do.


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10 Dec 2020, 9:54 pm

Fnord wrote:
These are predictions I have been hearing since childhood (about 50 to 60 years ago):

By the Year 2000...

... Air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half.

... Civilization will end by unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.

... Eating will no longer be necessary, as food will be replaced by pills.

... Every family will have at least one personal flying jet-pack, and at least one flying car.

... Hand-held laser pistols will replace projectile weapons (guns).

... High-speed monorail system will link all major cities in the U.S.

... Humanity will completely run out of copper, lead, zinc, tin, gold, and silver.

... Permanent human settlements will be established on the moon.

... Poverty and homelessness will be eliminated.

... The world will be eleven degrees colder, which is about twice what it takes to put us into an ice age.

... Urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution.

... We will be using up crude oil at such a rate that there won’t be any more crude oil left.

... We will have controlled nuclear fusion, with individual fusion-electric generators in every home.


You've been reading Paul Erlich's predictions from the 1960s and 70s :lol:



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11 Dec 2020, 2:02 am

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What does QAnon have to do with the Election?


By and large the same people peddling QAnon bs are the same people peddling StopTheSteal bs. Maybe it's all a conspiracy by the elite to undermine American democracy but it's more likely the conspiracy nutters are the ones attempting to undermine American democracy and steal the election.


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If you really want to talk about that grossness, Don't forget Joe Biden's son was caught with pictures of naked underage girls on his computer.


Got a credible source for that claim? Rudy Giuliani doesn't count.
Also, Trump has faced credible allegations of raping a 13 year old girl in 1994 named Katie Johnson.

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And you also have former childhood actors come forward saying they were molested by adults. Cory Feldman being one of those who came forward. Hollywood is called Hollyweird for a reason. QAnon is a 50/50 for me. It could be true, It could be a lie. The people who are infact involved in that vile and disgusting behavior, Are extremely careful with who they share their hobbies with. There could be a massive pedo ring going on, and those sick bastards should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.


Saying there are pedophiles in Hollywood isn't the same as insisting the elite are all part of pedophile ring that harvests children's bodily fluids and organs after engaging ritual sacrifices to Satan and that only Donald Trump can stop them.

If 95% of what they claim is BS and only a few of the most basic details have any truth to them they're not actually intentionally reporting the truth.


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