Hezbollah and its allies losing parliament majority.

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17 May 2022, 11:36 am

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18 May 2022, 6:11 am

That’s pretty good news from a “Western” standpoint.



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18 May 2022, 6:17 am

What does it mean from local standpoint?

Hesbollah has not conquered my heart (to say the least) but who can raise into power now, in the crisis-over-crisis-over-crisis-stricken Lebanon? (Who, as an importer of food, is heading for yet another crisis soon...)

Saudis?
Or maybe France?
Wouldn't it be a bit colonial?
Or maybe it would be colonial (i.e. denying subjectivity) to refuse an alliance when people want it?


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18 May 2022, 10:27 am

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What does it mean from local standpoint?

Hesbollah has not conquered my heart (to say the least) but who can raise into power now, in the crisis-over-crisis-over-crisis-stricken Lebanon? (Who, as an importer of food, is heading for yet another crisis soon...)

Saudis?
Or maybe France?
Wouldn't it be a bit colonial?
Or maybe it would be colonial (i.e. denying subjectivity) to refuse an alliance when people want it?


A large part of our crisis is because of Hezbollah.
Its meddling in rogue foreign policy (fighting in Syria, training Houthis in Yemen, drug trade across Arab states, offensive policy against Gulf … etc) has harmed our relations mostly with Gulf Arab countries and Egypt, who are the backbone of our exports, tourism, foreign investments and employment (a lot of Lebanese work in Gulf Arab states). Lebanon is a founder member of the Arab league; we have no interest to be kicked out just to please the non-Arab Persian empire. To put it into perspective, just imagine you have a rogue party in Poland that is doing foreign activities hostile to the EU for the sake of Russia, that’s exactly what Hezbollah is.

Even the Egyptian President al Sisi has admitted that the Egyptian economy wouldn’t have kicked off lately without the Gulf Arab’s investments and aids.

Being an Iranian-aligned(more dominated) country means we would end up like Cuba and Venezuela; a totally isolated country with few friends, except with blacklisted countries like North Korea and Iran. It is clear; the majority prefers the Arab camp.

Also, you should watch this video:

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/midd ... -Nasrallah


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18 May 2022, 11:03 am

So, you have an opportunity for more reasonable foreign/regional policy? That would be nice.
From what I've gathered, Hesbollah was also very seriously corrupt. Is there a chance for improvement here? Reasonable transparency would have probably prevented the port blast. It would be really good if improvements were possible there, for the sake of the future.


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19 May 2022, 1:23 am

Who is most likely to fill the vacuum left by Hezbollah?


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19 May 2022, 1:26 pm

Hmm weird questions, I dunno where to start. lol


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Is there a chance for improvement here? Reasonable transparency would have probably prevented the port blast. It would be really good if improvements were possible there, for the sake of the future.


I hope so, the new elections produced 3 camps instead of the traditional bi camps since 2005; the new player is the "17 October Revolutionaries" (which is against corruption of both pro-Iran/Bachar 8th March and pro-West/Arab lately fragmented 14th March coalition), rebranded as "Civil Society Movement" has gathered 13 deputies; all of those are against Hezbollah's foreign policy, when it comes to foreign policy the "Civil Society Movement" has the same standpoint of 14th March. Together, they are the majority.

The Lebanese Forces (Far-right Christian, a part of 14th March coalition, and with the least corrupt history frankly) is now the biggest Christian bloc and hardcore against Iran/Hezbollah. A main reason why a lot of Christians voted for LF instead of Hezbollah's ally (The Free Patriotic movement, proven to be extremely corrupt too) is the foreign policy, a lot of Christians work and have businesses in the Gulf countries, and this was strongly reflected in the results of the voters living there. No Lebanese family is benefiting from Syria or Iran, we don't have migrants there.

Btw, the fact that Hezbollah has directly threatened the top judge investigating the blast is making it crystal clear that the presence of this large amount of Nitrate Ammonium wasn't a "coincidence" or due to 'negligence"; so many "coincidences" in this case,.... unknown client coincidence, syrian-russian businessmen involved in the deal by "coincidence" , a large stash of nitrate ammonium found with hezbollah in Cyprus, and oh a photographer who had photos of the port got assassinated.....etc, yeah right.

Logic indicates it was an ammo stash used for terrorist bombings and the Syrian war. And ONLY Hezbollah could bring them under the authorities' nose.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/23/midd ... index.html


What I hope so, that these anti-hezbollah blocs to be aligned and consistent in their policies.


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19 May 2022, 1:27 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Who is most likely to fill the vacuum left by Hezbollah?


The newly elected majority?

Hezbollah WAS the vacuum.


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20 May 2022, 2:41 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Hmm weird questions, I dunno where to start. lol


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Is there a chance for improvement here? Reasonable transparency would have probably prevented the port blast. It would be really good if improvements were possible there, for the sake of the future.


I hope so, the new elections produced 3 camps instead of the traditional bi camps since 2005; the new player is the "17 October Revolutionaries" (which is against corruption of both pro-Iran/Bachar 8th March and pro-West/Arab lately fragmented 14th March coalition), rebranded as "Civil Society Movement" has gathered 13 deputies; all of those are against Hezbollah's foreign policy, when it comes to foreign policy the "Civil Society Movement" has the same standpoint of 14th March. Together, they are the majority.

The Lebanese Forces (Far-right Christian, a part of 14th March coalition, and with the least corrupt history frankly) is now the biggest Christian bloc and hardcore against Iran/Hezbollah. A main reason why a lot of Christians voted for LF instead of Hezbollah's ally (The Free Patriotic movement, proven to be extremely corrupt too) is the foreign policy, a lot of Christians work and have businesses in the Gulf countries, and this was strongly reflected in the results of the voters living there. No Lebanese family is benefiting from Syria or Iran, we don't have migrants there.

Btw, the fact that Hezbollah has directly threatened the top judge investigating the blast is making it crystal clear that the presence of this large amount of Nitrate Ammonium wasn't a "coincidence" or due to 'negligence"; so many "coincidences" in this case,.... unknown client coincidence, syrian-russian businessmen involved in the deal by "coincidence" , a large stash of nitrate ammonium found with hezbollah in Cyprus, and oh a photographer who had photos of the port got assassinated.....etc, yeah right.

Logic indicates it was an ammo stash used for terrorist bombings and the Syrian war. And ONLY Hezbollah could bring them under the authorities' nose.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/23/midd ... index.html


What I hope so, that these anti-hezbollah blocs to be aligned and consistent in their policies.

Wow.
Even if getting rid of corruption won't be easy, it all looks like improvement.
Gulf and West offer economic opportunities you freaking need right now.


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20 May 2022, 2:55 am

magz wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Hmm weird questions, I dunno where to start. lol


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Is there a chance for improvement here? Reasonable transparency would have probably prevented the port blast. It would be really good if improvements were possible there, for the sake of the future.


I hope so, the new elections produced 3 camps instead of the traditional bi camps since 2005; the new player is the "17 October Revolutionaries" (which is against corruption of both pro-Iran/Bachar 8th March and pro-West/Arab lately fragmented 14th March coalition), rebranded as "Civil Society Movement" has gathered 13 deputies; all of those are against Hezbollah's foreign policy, when it comes to foreign policy the "Civil Society Movement" has the same standpoint of 14th March. Together, they are the majority.

The Lebanese Forces (Far-right Christian, a part of 14th March coalition, and with the least corrupt history frankly) is now the biggest Christian bloc and hardcore against Iran/Hezbollah. A main reason why a lot of Christians voted for LF instead of Hezbollah's ally (The Free Patriotic movement, proven to be extremely corrupt too) is the foreign policy, a lot of Christians work and have businesses in the Gulf countries, and this was strongly reflected in the results of the voters living there. No Lebanese family is benefiting from Syria or Iran, we don't have migrants there.

Btw, the fact that Hezbollah has directly threatened the top judge investigating the blast is making it crystal clear that the presence of this large amount of Nitrate Ammonium wasn't a "coincidence" or due to 'negligence"; so many "coincidences" in this case,.... unknown client coincidence, syrian-russian businessmen involved in the deal by "coincidence" , a large stash of nitrate ammonium found with hezbollah in Cyprus, and oh a photographer who had photos of the port got assassinated.....etc, yeah right.

Logic indicates it was an ammo stash used for terrorist bombings and the Syrian war. And ONLY Hezbollah could bring them under the authorities' nose.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/23/midd ... index.html


What I hope so, that these anti-hezbollah blocs to be aligned and consistent in their policies.

Wow.
Even if getting rid of corruption won't be easy, it all looks like improvement.
Gulf and West offer economic opportunities you freaking need right now.


The 17 October Révolutionnaires' deputies; https://fb.watch/d70G56P87T/


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