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06 Jul 2022, 8:01 pm

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Heads of FBI and MI5 issue strong warning about threat to the West from China
Also Wednesday, U.S. intelligence officials issued a report about Chinese attempts to influence local and state elections.

July 7, 2022, 8:13 AM AEST
By Ken Dilanian

Speaking alongside his British counterpart in London, FBI Director Christopher Wray issued his starkest warning yet about the national security threat to the West from China, even as intelligence officials in Washington released a report about Beijing’s efforts to influence state and local politics in the U.S.

In a first-ever joint appearance Wednesday with the director of Britain’s MI5, the U.K.’s domestic intelligence agency, Wray raised the possibility that China might be inching closer to invading Taiwan, noting that Beijing has been taking steps to shield its economy from sanctions that would come after such a move.

“In our world, we call that kind of behavior a clue,” he said, adding that were an invasion to happen, “it would represent one of the most horrific business disruptions the world has ever seen.”

The Chinese Embassy in Washington did not respond to a request for comment. The Chinese Foreign Ministry said Wednesday, "In order to mislead the public, the U.S. has worked hand in glove with NATO to hype up competition with China and stoke group confrontation.”

MI5 Director General Ken McCallum said the appearance at his agency’s headquarters was the first time FBI and MI5 leaders have held a public event together. He echoed a point Wray and U.S. politicians from both parties have been making in recent years — that a long-standing hope about China’s evolution had been dashed by its behavior under President Xi Jinping.

“The widespread Western assumption that growing prosperity within China and increasing connectivity with the West would automatically lead to greater political freedom has been shown to be plain wrong,” McCallum said. “But the Chinese Communist Party is interested in our democratic, media and legal systems. Not to emulate them, sadly, but to use them for its gain.”

Both officials reaffirmed previous concerns about Chinese economic espionage, both through hacking and using human spies. And they said China is using threats, bullying and economic power to obtain Western intellectual property in a strategy designed not to trade peacefully with the U.S. and Europe, but to supplant them as the dominant world power.

“The most game-changing challenge we face comes from an increasingly authoritarian Chinese Communist Party that’s applying covert pressure across the globe,” McCallum said. “This might feel abstract, but it’s real, and it’s pressing. We need to talk about it. We need to act.”


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation ... -rcna36976


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06 Jul 2022, 8:42 pm

I really don't want to spend a few hours investigating and sorting out information for posting a news that you spent a minute on.
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06 Jul 2022, 9:16 pm

5 months ago.

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The Intelligence Services have warned MPs that a Chinese government agent has been working in Parliament.



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06 Jul 2022, 9:20 pm

A non Skye News report.
Also 5 months ago.

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A Chinese government agent has been working within the British Parliament in an attempt to “subvert the processes”, MPs have been told.

The agent is named as Christine Ching Kui Lee who was working for the United Front Work Department (UFWD) of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).

It has been described as a 'deeply concerning' development, as Global Security Editor Rohit Kachroo reports



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06 Jul 2022, 9:23 pm

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FBI And MI5 Raise Alarm Over Chinese Spying
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In a rare joint warning from U.S. and U.K. intelligence agencies, the FBI and MI5 are raising concerns about growing threats of spying, hacking, and other covert activity from China. NBC News’ Steven Romo reports.



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06 Jul 2022, 9:31 pm

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It looks like China does have access to U.S. TikTok user data
TikTok confirmed that employees based in China are able to access U.S. user data through "approval protocols."
By Christianna Silva and Elizabeth de Luna on July 2, 2022

UPDATE: Jul. 2, 2022, 3:18 p.m. EDT This article has been updated to reflect new information confirming suspicions about China's access to U.S user data.

Despite the repeated assurances that TikTok's parent company, the China-based ByteDance, isn't checking out data collected about users in the U.S., it looks like the company absolutely does and can.


https://mashable.com/article/tiktok-chi ... data-in-us


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06 Jul 2022, 9:32 pm

More "news".
When they use the same source, will quoting different news many times make it more credible?


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06 Jul 2022, 9:42 pm

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Chinese researchers quit U.S.; agents target Biden team - U.S. officials
reuters, DECEMBER 3, 2020

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - More than 1,000 Chinese researchers have left the United States amid a U.S. crackdown on alleged technology theft, top U.S. security officials said on Wednesday, adding that Chinese agents had already been targeting the incoming Biden administration.

China dismissed the accusations as “ludicrous.”

John Demers, chief of the U.S. Justice Department’s National Security Division, told a discussion hosted by the Aspen Institute think tank the researchers had left the country while the department launched multiple criminal cases against Chinese operatives for industrial and technological espionage.

A Justice Department official said they were a different group to those mentioned by the State Department in September, when it said the United States had revoked visas for more than 1,000 Chinese nationals under a presidential measure denying entry to students and researchers deemed security risks.

The official said the researchers Demers referred to, who U.S. authorities believed were affiliated with China’s People’s Liberation Army, fled the United States after the FBI conducted interviews in more than 20 cities and the State Department closed China’s Houston consulate in July.

“Only the Chinese have the resources and ability and will” to engage in the breadth of foreign influence activity that U.S. agencies have seen in recent years, Demers said.

William Evanina, chief of the counterintelligence branch of the office of the U.S. Director of National Intelligence, told the same event Chinese agents were already targeting personnel of the incoming administration of President-elect Joe Biden, as well as “people close” to Biden’s team.

He did not elaborate.

Biden’s transition team declined to comment. His campaign team said over the summer that it expected cyber attacks and was prepared for them.

In Beijing, Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told a news briefing the U.S. accusations were “ludicrous”, adding, “In the eyes of some Americans, there is only hatred, division and confrontation.”

Evanina said Chinese researchers in the United States who were under scrutiny of U.S. agencies were “all coming here at the behest of the Chinese government.”

China described the visa crackdown earlier this year as “naked” political persecution and racial discrimination that seriously violated human rights.

Sino-U.S. relations have deteriorated to their worst in decades during outgoing U.S. President Donald Trump’s tenure with disputes simmering over issues from trade and technology to Hong Kong and the coronavirus.

For some reason, all the cancelled people here hold J1 visas.
Note: visa J1 refers to visiting scholars and students who do not pay tuition fees and have no income, while visa F pays tens of thousands of dollars of tuition fees, which is of economic value.
Somehow, spies must choose an entry channel that will not bring economic benefits to the United States.

For other reasons, most the cancelled people here are all students of seven universities with majors in national defense engineering in China.
Somehow, studying in such a university is related to the Chinese people's Liberation Army.
Guess if I know several students whose visas have been cancelled?

Political stunts, and a new era version of the Chinese Exclusion Act.


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06 Jul 2022, 10:14 pm

Updates keep pouring in, we go live to CNN (or BBC, Fox, Sky, whoever)

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It's hard to tell if China has some deep-rooted hatred for the English speaking world that Continental Europeans are immune to or if maybe it's just that English media is much more easily spooked because they're used to being the power who might be a threat (the US and UK in particular, but Australia, New Zealand and Canada also are part of the bloc) instead of having to consider not-quite peers as powers emerging as threats.

I can't rule out that the Five Eyes have much better intel on infiltration attempts than all other first world nations, although I feel like institutional biases that amount to paranoia also play a role.

It regularly seems no different from the late '70s/80s attitude towards Japan, multiplied by a fucktonne of AHH!! COMMIES!! ! left over from the Cold War.


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07 Jul 2022, 5:39 am

funeralxempire wrote:
I can't rule out that the Five Eyes have much better intel on infiltration attempts than all other first world nations, although I feel like institutional biases that amount to paranoia also play a role.

not "paranoia".
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It looks like China does have access to U.S. TikTok user data
TikTok confirmed that employees based in China are able to access U.S. user data through "approval protocols."
By Christianna Silva and Elizabeth de Luna on July 2, 2022

UPDATE: Jul. 2, 2022, 3:18 p.m. EDT This article has been updated to reflect new information confirming suspicions about China's access to U.S user data.

Despite the repeated assurances that TikTok's parent company, the China-based ByteDance, isn't checking out data collected about users in the U.S., it looks like the company absolutely does and can.


https://mashable.com/article/tiktok-chi ... data-in-us

When Douyin (transliteration of the Chinese version of Tiktok) was expanding its overseas market, in order to meet the problem of compliance, it specially registered an overseas company, and even changed the name of Douyin to tiktok.

Except that the core of the software is the same, Tiktok is different from Douyin from the name to the main body of the company. Tiktok has cut with domestic companies and implemented two different sets of operating rules.

Tiktok met all the requirements put forward by the United States.
Tiktok company abides by the laws of the United States, sets up the server in the United States, and all data is only left in the United States. The content reviewer is American, and the middle and senior managers are American, even the president is American.

In addition to the parent company behind it is China ByteDance, tiktok is an American company.

Even in order to relieve the US government's concerns, tiktok directly announced its core algorithm and submitted its algorithm recommendation mode to Americans for review.

In order to reflect its "inclusiveness and openness", the US government has allowed the existence of Chinese company tiktok.

Then, tiktok snowballed in the United States, reached the top of the global download list in January 2020, and continued to spread at a crazy speed. Facebook imitated tiktok's model and launched short video software such as lasso and reels, but all failed.


On July 31, 2020, Trump announced that he would consider banning tiktok's operations in the United States on the grounds that it threatened the national security of the United States.

Before that, ByteDance made a lot of efforts and compromises.

First of all, ByteDance(parent company of Tiktok) replaced all the executives of tiktok with Americans, including the president. Kevin Mayer, the former CEO of Disney, handed over all operations and audit work to Americans to prove his safety to the United States.

However, the White House was indifferent to this, insisting that tiktok, which is completely controlled by the Americans, still threatened the national security of the United States. Then ByteDance proposed that he was willing to give up the actual control, transfer most of the shares and control to American companies, and just keep a minority stake to eat some dividends, but he was still rejected by the White House.

There is only one condition issued by the White House. Chinese companies are not allowed to have control or even retain any equity. They must withdraw completely or they will be banned.

Finally, Tiktok was sold at a bargain price.


Unfair competition and annexation led by the government. This is not the first time that the United States has done so. Before that, those targets were not even Chinese companies.

How the American takeover of a French national champion became intertwined in a corruption investigation

However, creating hatred and panic against a particular country through the media can certainly provide more public opinion basis for such predatory action.


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07 Jul 2022, 7:02 pm

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No one likes an “I told you so.” But you know what? I told you so! What am I talking about? TikTok.

A few weeks ago, BuzzFeed published a report about how leaked audio from inside the social media company shows that engineers and other employees of TikTok’s Chinese parent company, ByteDance, have been accessing U.S. user data. The audio comes from small-group meetings, meetings with outside consultants, and even internal policy all-hands events. In one meeting, for example, a member of the company’s Trust and Safety department says explicitly that, “Everything is seen in China.” In another meeting, a company executive referred to a “Master Admin” in Beijing who “has access to everything.”


https://current.thedispatch.com/p/ban-t ... dium=email


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07 Jul 2022, 7:52 pm

I can't tell if those are contemporary or from 100 years ago. :scratch:


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07 Jul 2022, 10:43 pm

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The true face of the Chinese Communist Party: a totalitarian regime bent on global domination?
Don’t try to ‘bully’ China, or you’ll get a bloody nose, warned Xi Jinping on the centenary of the CCP’s founding
The Week Staff
9 Jul 2021

Don’t try to “bully” China, or you’ll get a bloody nose. That was the Chinese president Xi Jinping’s warning to the world on the centenary of the founding of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), said William Yang in The Independent. Xi told a flag-waving crowd that anyone who tries to “oppress” China will “have their heads bashed bloody against a Great Wall of steel”.

The celebrations included a “dazzling” re-enactment of the CCP’s “early struggles” and its “recent achievements”. They glossed over the grim era between 1950 and 1970, when Chairman Mao Zedong’s policies killed millions and pushed China into “extreme poverty”.

Yet Xi seems increasingly to be a leader in Mao’s mould: in office since 2012, he has abolished the two-term limit on the presidency and tightened ideological control, using technology to monitor citizens. A government unit pushes a party-approved version of history, with contrary views demonised as “historical nihilism”. State media fosters a Mao-style personality cult around “Xi Dada” or “big daddy”, said Ian Williams in The Spectator. His approach, though, owes more to “strident ethnic nationalism” than communism.

Under Xi, China adopts two rather different tones abroad, said Charles Moore in The Daily Telegraph. Claiming to pursue “dialogue” and harmony, it has infiltrated “hundreds of Western universities, businesses and other institutions”. The tone changes abruptly, though, if anyone raises questions about its theft of intellectual property; its treaty-breaking assault on the liberties of Hong Kong; or its “Belt and Road Initiative” – a “massive imperial project” giving it control of transport routes and natural resources around the world. Then, with angry threats and boycotts, the CCP’s true face is revealed: of a totalitarian regime bent on global domination.


https://www.theweek.co.uk/news/world-ne ... nniversary


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