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16 Aug 2022, 9:47 pm

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/2022-midterm-primary-results-tonight-wyoming-alaska-liz-cheney-sarah-palin-2022-08-16/#

I guess she should have gone along with the "white male straight Christian persecution complex".



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16 Aug 2022, 10:39 pm

She’s a principled woman.

Too bad those MAGA-types are brainwashed….



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16 Aug 2022, 11:21 pm

Hopefully Murkowski will survive her primary, and voters in AK will reject Palin.

Murks is the only GOP senator I still respect, even Susan Collins has buckled.



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17 Aug 2022, 2:26 am

Massacred at the polls for the "crime" of opposing Trump is more like it.
Liz Cheney defeated in Wyoming primary

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Cheney described her loss as the beginning of a new chapter in her political career as she addressed a small collection of supporters, including her father, former Vice President Dick Cheney, on the edge of a vast field flanked by mountains and bales of hay.

“Our work is far from over,” she said Tuesday evening, evoking Abraham Lincoln, who also lost congressional elections before ascending to the presidency and preserving the union.

The results — and the roughly 30-point margin — were a powerful reminder of the GOP’s rapid shift to the right. A party once dominated by national security-oriented, business-friendly conservatives like her father now belongs to Trump, animated by his populist appeal and, above all, his denial of defeat in the 2020 election.

I have said since Jan. 6 that I will do whatever it takes to ensure Donald Trump is never again anywhere near the Oval Office — and I mean it,” she said.

Four hundred miles to the east of Cheney’s concession speech, festive Hageman supporters gathered at a sprawling outdoor rodeo and Western culture festival in Cheyenne, many wearing cowboy boots, hats and blue jeans.

“Obviously we’re all very grateful to President Trump, who recognizes that Wyoming has only one congressional representative and we have to make it count,” said Hageman, a ranching industry attorney who had finished third in a previous bid for governor.

Echoing Trump’s conspiracy theories, she falsely claimed the 2020 election was “rigged” as she courted his loyalists in the runup to the election.

Trump and his team celebrated Cheney’s loss, which may represent his biggest political victory in a primary season full of them. The former president called the results “a complete rebuke” of the Jan. 6 committee.

“Liz Cheney should be ashamed of herself, the way she acted, and her spiteful, sanctimonious words and actions towards others,” he wrote on his social media platform. “Now she can finally disappear into the depths of political oblivion where, I am sure, she will be much happier than she is right now. Thank you WYOMING!”

Cheney will now be forced from Congress at the end of her third and final term in January. She is not expected to leave Capitol Hill quietly.

She will continue in her leadership role on the congressional panel investigating the Jan. 6 attack until it dissolves at the end of the year. And she is actively considering a 2024 White House bid -- as a Republican or independent -- having vowed to do everything in her power to fight Trump’s influence in her party.

With Cheney’s loss, Republicans who voted to impeach Trump are going extinct.

In all, seven Republican senators and 10 Republican House members backed Trump’s impeachment in the days after his supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol as Congress tried to certify President Joe Biden’s victory. Just two of those 10 House members have won their primaries this year. After two Senate retirements, Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska is the only such Senate Republican on this year’s ballot.

Cheney was forced to seek assistance from the state’s tiny Democratic minority in her bid to pull off a victory. But Democrats across America, major donors among them, took notice. She raised at least $15 million for her election, a stunning figure for a Wyoming political contest.

Voters responded to the interest in the race. With a little more than half of the vote counted, turnout ran about 50% higher than in the 2018 Republican primary for governor.


Obviously it would be political suicide to attempt to be the nominee of the Trump authoritarian party. I don't think she stands a chance as an independent. No way in hell the Dems and most independents who pretend to like her now are going to vote for "Darth Vader"s daughter and a person with one of the most if not the conservative record in Congress.

Her book will tank also. She will end up as just another complaining outsider never Trumper guest on MSNBC.

Hageman Says She Was Fooled Into Opposing Trump In 2016
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Congressional candidate Harriet Hageman was fooled into opposing the presidential bid of former President Donald Trump in 2016 by “Democrats and Liz Cheney’s friends in the media,” she said Monday.

Hageman, responding to a New York Times article about her current support for Trump compared to her opposition to his campaign in 2016, said she learned that what was being said about Trump then was untrue.

“The fact is, I heard and believed the lies the Democrats and Liz Cheney’s friends in the media were telling at the time, but that is ancient history as I quickly realized their allegations against President Trump were untrue. They lied about him before he was elected and continue to lie about him to this day.”

The New York Times article, written by Reid J. Epstein, described Hageman’s condemnation of Trump as “somebody who is racist and xenophobic.”

The article called Hageman’s current support for Trump “one of the most striking illustrations yet of the political elasticity demonstrated both by ambitious Republicans in the Trump era and by the former president himself…”

But Hageman said support for Trump was common among Republicans who took a closer look at him during the 2016 GOP Convention.

“It’s true I was a (U.S. Sen. Ted) Cruz delegate at the convention in 2016, as were most of the Wyoming delegates,” she said. “Like me, there were a lot of people who initially supported other candidates and then came to rally behind President Trump when he won the nomination.”

Wyoming’s Republican Party in 2016 backed Cruz’s presidential campaign.

Hageman added she is proud to support Trump now.

“He was the greatest president of my lifetime and I am proud to have been able to re-nominate him in 2020,” she said. “And I’m proud to strongly support him today. Our country would be in a better place with him still in office.”

The New York Times article also discussed what it called Hageman’s involvement during the 2016 convention in an effort to “unbind” delegates who had pledged support to one candidate so they could vote for any candidate to be the GOP’s presidential candidate.

Hageman said as a member of the convention’s Rules Committee, she focused on two issues. One was to close primaries so that only registered Republicans could vote in GOP primary elections.

The other was a proposal to give states with a high proportion of Republican officials, such as Wyoming, more delegates at the convention.

Hageman dismissed the New York Times story as “the national news media trying to ride to Liz Cheney’s defense by attacking me.”


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17 Aug 2022, 2:31 am

I imagine Kinzinger is going to be looking over his shoulder now. Last man in the republican party with principles.



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17 Aug 2022, 3:19 am

Not unexpected but unfortunate for all it signifies.


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17 Aug 2022, 3:49 am

cyberdad wrote:
I imagine Kinzinger is going to be looking over his shoulder now. Last man in the republican party with principles.


He's retiring as well.

Lisa Murkowski in the Senate and the two House members (Dan Newhouse and David Valadao) are all who is left.



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17 Aug 2022, 5:38 am

Yep.

And its not a small thing.

Cheney's loss is the final nail in the coffin of the old GOP. Which means its the end of the two party system itself (instead of two parties we just have one party -the Dems- and one cult mob- the modern GOP), which means American democracy itself will come unraveled.

Oh well.



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17 Aug 2022, 7:57 am

What will the unraveling of American democracy look like? What will change?



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17 Aug 2022, 4:54 pm

Matrix Glitch wrote:
What will the unraveling of American democracy look like? What will change?


The MAGA leadership will start wearing clown suits and chanting slogans instead of policies. It will be as if Halloween will be 365 days of the year if the GOP take over in 2024.



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17 Aug 2022, 5:29 pm

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What will the unraveling of American democracy look like? What will change?


Cute. Pretending not to notice what is already happening. Youre funny.

A defeated POTUS already ordered the lynching of his veep to steal an election so he could be el presidente for life.

Old style conservative lawmakers (both local and Congressional) will be replaced by election denying Trump worshipers who will abolish the rule of law, and actually enable elections to be stolen.



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17 Aug 2022, 8:05 pm

I can respect Liz Cheney for sticking to her guns while also pointing out that she set out to be martyred, and succeeded. An individual politician might cross the party from time to time, but to actively set oneself up as a high profile antagonist of your own party while essentially serving as a mascot for the rival party? Yeah, that's going to get you thrown out of office regardless of the underlying cause.


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17 Aug 2022, 11:50 pm

Well, if Trump runs in 2024, she can run against him just to gum up the cogs of his political machine.


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18 Aug 2022, 12:36 am

Dox47 wrote:
I can respect Liz Cheney for sticking to her guns while also pointing out that she set out to be martyred, and succeeded. An individual politician might cross the party from time to time, but to actively set oneself up as a high profile antagonist of your own party while essentially serving as a mascot for the rival party? Yeah, that's going to get you thrown out of office regardless of the underlying cause.


She was taking a stand for the constitution and Democracy, versus autocracy. I don't think she felt she had a choice; someone had to play the part. But, yes, while she (and many of us watching) may have hoped for a different outcome, it was always unlikely. If history records all this the way I think it will, she will fare better with 20.20 hindsight than the rest of her party.

I'd like to think I'd stick to what I thought I knew to be right until the biter end, but who ever really knows.


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18 Aug 2022, 12:40 am

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Well, if Trump runs in 2024, she can run against him just to gum up the cogs of his political machine.


That will only have a chance if the Republicans can keep the field small enough. Having too many candidates in 2016 definitely worked in Trump's favor.

Outside of this board, the Republicans I know in real life (all across the country) are running away from Trump more than to, but that isn't exactly scientific. It's like we're all sitting holding our breath to see which way the party will actually go. Results to date aren't looking good, but the play isn't over.


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18 Aug 2022, 12:46 am

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One word: Hungary.

A fall to autocracy.

The autocrats of the world believe that life has gotten too fast paced, and systems like ours too slow. They claim Democracy is doomed to failure. Leaders like Trump want all the marbles, the ability to make decisions quickly. More and more voters and people in power seem to be willing to give a leader that in exchange for outcomes they currently favor.

I think its foolish and scary as sh^t.

I want to be wrong.


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