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07 Dec 2022, 10:15 pm

Germany foils far-right plot to install Prince Heinrich XIII in coup

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Germany on Wednesday detained 25 members and supporters of a far-right group that the prosecutor's office said was preparing a violent overthrow of the state to install as national leader a prince who had sought backing from Russia.

Prosecutors said the group was inspired by the deep state conspiracy theories of Germany's Reichsbuerger and QAnon, whose advocates were among those arrested after the storming of the U.S. Capitol in January 2021.

Members of the Reichsbuerger (Citizens of the Reich) do not recognise modern-day Germany as a legitimate state. Some of them are devoted to the German empire under monarchy, while some are adherents of Nazi ideas and others believe Germany is under military occupation.

The plot envisaged a former member of a German royal family, identified as Heinrich XIII P. R. under Germany's privacy law, as leader in a future state while another suspect, Ruediger v. P., would be the head of the military arm, with the aim of building a new German army, prosecutors said.

The group had emulated the structure of the government, creating a "council" that had regularly met since November 2021 as an administration-in-waiting with different departments, such as foreign affairs and health, prosecutors said.

An Interior Ministry spokesperson said security agencies were looking closely at any possible contact with Russia.

The Kremlin said there could be no question of any Russian involvement in an alleged far-right plot to overthrow the German state, with spokesman Dmitry Peskov saying that it "appears to be a German internal problem".

Faeser said she would present a bill in the next few days that would make it easier to remove civil service employees who were deemed to be enemies of the constitution.

The head of Germany's domestic intelligence agency said the Reichsbuerger movement had grown considerably in the last year and presented a persistently high level of danger.

One active soldier and several reservists were also among those being investigated, a spokesperson for the military intelligence service told Reuters. The soldier is a member of the Bundeswehr's KSK elite force, which has been overhauled in recent years due to a number of far-right incidents.

The group had been procuring equipment, trying to recruit new members and holding shooting lessons, prosecutors added. The focus of the recruitment efforts were primarily members of the military and police officers, they said.

A former parliamentary lawmaker from the far-right Alternative For Germany (AfD) was also among those detained, according to German prosecutors.

nvestigators suspect individual members of the group had concrete plans to storm the Bundestag lower house of parliament in Berlin with a small armed group, prosecutors said.

The vice president of the Bundestag, Wolfgang Kubicki, told the Rheinische Post newspaper the building was equipped for attacks and they were aware of potential threat situations, so "the group's plans were already doomed to fail when they were forged".

But the revelations of the plot evoke memories of the storming of the steps of Germany's Reichstag parliament building by protesters in August 2020 during mass marches against coronavirus curbs, as well as the attack on the U.S. Capitol.

Germany's domestic intelligence agency attributes some 21,000 people to the Reichsbuerger (Citizens of the Reich) movement, with around 5% of them seen as far-right extremists.


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08 Dec 2022, 1:16 am

It seems the German authorities learned from Trump's coup attempt, and acted to stop their own right wingnut element from attempting to pull the same stunt.


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08 Dec 2022, 2:12 am

Do any such "wingnuts" ever consider the fact that the majority of people do not want autocratic rule?

Do they really believe that the rest of us would put up with such BS?

Are they really that delusional / ignorant / stupid?


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08 Dec 2022, 2:52 am

Fnord wrote:
Do any such "wingnuts" ever consider the fact that the majority of people do not want autocratic rule?

Do they really believe that the rest of us would put up with such BS?

Are they really that delusional / ignorant / stupid?


That's the nature of wingnut totalitarian political ideology. They could care less what the rest of us want or believe, seeing us as wrong and deluded, and needing said wingnuts to lead us to the light... or a concentration camp.


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08 Dec 2022, 3:01 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Do any such "wingnuts" ever consider the fact that the majority of people do not want autocratic rule?

Do they really believe that the rest of us would put up with such BS?

Are they really that delusional / ignorant / stupid?


That's the nature of wingnut totalitarian political ideology. They could care less what the rest of us want or believe, seeing us as wrong and deluded, and needing said wingnuts to lead us to the light... or a concentration camp.

With the prevalence of ADD/ADHD these days, maybe concentration camps are exactly what the world needs.


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08 Dec 2022, 3:07 am

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With the prevalence of ADD/ADHD these days, maybe concentration camps are exactly what the world needs.
I saw what you did there.

:wall: Why did I not think of it first?


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08 Dec 2022, 10:42 am

Fnord wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
With the prevalence of ADD/ADHD these days, maybe concentration camps are exactly what the world needs.
I saw what you did there.

:wall: Why did I not think of it first?

:D

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08 Dec 2022, 4:05 pm

Ah well, perhaps he'll find time to write a book while he is imprisoned.


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08 Dec 2022, 5:16 pm

From a national security perspective this is the relevant information
Germany's domestic intelligence agency attributes some 21,000 people to the Reichsbuerger (Citizens of the Reich) movement, with around 5% of them seen as far-right extremists.

Groups in Germany who support the old Nazi regime are a perpetual threat to the safety and liberty of ordinary citizens, particularly to those who are deemed "non-German" and "non-European",

Germany does not report on attacks on migrants, particularly in east Germany. I personally know of one of my wife's cousins who migrated to Germany in the 1980s from Malaysia. After the fall of the Berlin Wall, his son (who was 19 at the time) and his girlfriend were riding a train into east Germany for a holiday. They both never arrived at their destination and remain missing persons to this day. The authorities claimed they were run away teens but the family have always maintained they were probably murdered by some gang and their bodies thrown off the train (unfortunately there were CCTV cameras in those days and there were no witnesses who remember seeing them).



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08 Dec 2022, 8:23 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Do any such "wingnuts" ever consider the fact that the majority of people do not want autocratic rule?

Do they really believe that the rest of us would put up with such BS?

Are they really that delusional / ignorant / stupid?


That's the nature of wingnut totalitarian political ideology. They could care less what the rest of us want or believe, seeing us as wrong and deluded, and needing said wingnuts to lead us to the light... or a concentration camp.

With the prevalence of ADD/ADHD these days, maybe concentration camps are exactly what the world needs.


:lol:


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08 Dec 2022, 8:41 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
It seems the German authorities learned from Trump's coup attempt, and acted to stop their own right wingnut element from attempting to pull the same stunt.


I can't see how this could ever have been successful.
I agree with what Fnord has said below.

For a start, you would need overwhelming support from the army, and that was never going to happen.

Politicians are a dime a dozen.
Eazy to replace.
The constitution is the important thing. 8)

Dumb mothersuckers. :mrgreen:


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Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

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08 Dec 2022, 8:42 pm

Mikah wrote:
Ah well, perhaps he'll find time to write a book while he is imprisoned.


Jawohl! :mrgreen:


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And one more thing,



Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

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08 Dec 2022, 8:47 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Do any such "wingnuts" ever consider the fact that the majority of people do not want autocratic rule?

Do they really believe that the rest of us would put up with such BS?

Are they really that delusional / ignorant / stupid?[/color]


That's the nature of wingnut totalitarian political ideology. They could care less what the rest of us want or believe, seeing us as wrong and deluded, and needing said wingnuts to lead us to the light... or a concentration camp.


I think you have missed the point.
Without the support of the ppl, they were never going to succeed.

Besides, now Merkle the Turtle is out of government, there is no real need for drastic action.
The new German government seems to have intelligence and practicality interwoven with their policies if I understand the situation correctly. 8)

The Turtle...
The damage she did... :roll:


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If I'm so bad, pass me by. ;)


And one more thing,



Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet."
Truth may be inconvenient but it is never politically incorrect...The Oracle of Truth has spoken...8)
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08 Dec 2022, 10:34 pm

Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Do any such "wingnuts" ever consider the fact that the majority of people do not want autocratic rule?

Do they really believe that the rest of us would put up with such BS?

Are they really that delusional / ignorant / stupid?[/color]


That's the nature of wingnut totalitarian political ideology. They could care less what the rest of us want or believe, seeing us as wrong and deluded, and needing said wingnuts to lead us to the light... or a concentration camp.


I think you have missed the point.
Without the support of the ppl, they were never going to succeed.

Besides, now Merkle the Turtle is out of government, there is no real need for drastic action.
The new German government seems to have intelligence and practicality interwoven with their policies if I understand the situation correctly. 8)

The Turtle...
The damage she did... :roll:


Other than being to the right of center, what was wrong with Merkel?


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09 Dec 2022, 12:51 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Other than being to the right of center, what was wrong with Merkel?


immigration....it's predictable why right wingers hate Merkel



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09 Dec 2022, 7:52 am

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Other than being to the right of center, what was wrong with Merkel?

Nearly all her politics about Russia and her inability to admit she had been wrong after it all blew up.

Also, weird energetics policies that neither assured energetic independence nor seriously adressed the CO2 problem but contained plenty of virtue-signalling instead.


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