Here's how an IA tool may flag parents with disabilities

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15 Mar 2023, 10:34 pm

Here's how an IA tool may flag parents with disabilities

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PITTSBURGH (AP) — For the two weeks that the Hackneys’ baby girl lay in a Pittsburgh hospital bed weak from dehydration, her parents rarely left her side, sometimes sleeping on the fold-out sofa in the room.

They stayed with their daughter around the clock when she was moved to a rehab center to regain her strength. Finally, the 8-month-old stopped batting away her bottles and started putting on weight again.

“She was doing well and we started to ask when can she go home,” Lauren Hackney said. “And then from that moment on, at the time, they completely stonewalled us and never said anything.”

The couple was stunned when child welfare officials showed up, told them they were negligent and took their daughter away.

“They had custody papers and they took her right there and then,” Lauren Hackney recalled. “And we started crying.”


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16 Mar 2023, 3:31 am

Social services already discriminate against people with disabilities. So, the AI will pick up on that pattern in the training data and so will reproduce the same biases.



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16 Mar 2023, 4:10 am

Will the AI also flag junkies, drunks, and abusers?


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16 Mar 2023, 5:31 am

The entire article is worth reading. I’m not sure AI is the right term here. They are just using an algorithm.

Of particular note: The algorithm used to determine when to remove a child from parents is secret. Even attorneys for the parents cannot see it.

And: algorithm can include things like race, juvenile records, growing up in poverty.

Finally, this is spreading world wide - Australia, Denmark, …


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16 Mar 2023, 6:28 am

blazingstar wrote:
. . . this is spreading world wide - Australia, Denmark, …
. . . Eurasia (esp., Airstrip One), Oceania, and Eastasia. . .


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16 Mar 2023, 8:18 am

Fnord wrote:
blazingstar wrote:
. . . this is spreading world wide - Australia, Denmark, …
. . . Eurasia (esp., Airstrip One), Oceania, and Eastasia. . .


What's Airstrip One?


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17 Mar 2023, 3:48 am

Fnord wrote:
Will the AI also flag junkies, drunks, and abusers?


Yes. The way it works is that it's not directly programmed by the creators, rather there's a machine learning algorithm from which the program "learns" what to flag based on pattern recognition.



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17 Mar 2023, 6:38 am

CarlM wrote:

One of the more disturbing parts of this story:

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The Hackneys’ story — based on interviews, internal emails and legal documents — illustrates the opacity surrounding these algorithms. Even as they fight to regain custody of their daughter, they can’t question the “risk score” Allegheny County’s tool may have assigned to her case because officials won’t disclose it to them. And neither the county nor the people who built the tool have ever explained which variables may have been used to measure the Hackneys’ abilities as parents.

This opacity is one of the worst aspects of how AI tools are used.

IMO, any AI tool that is used for any law-enforcement-related or other governmental purpose should generate detailed reports, not just a single numerical score, and the results should be routinely made available to the affected people and their lawyers.

Anything less than this is a denial of due process.


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17 Mar 2023, 9:39 am

We don't know what kind of imperfect rules this type of tool is replacing. We are only hearing one side of the story about this couple. I would bet everyone in government would love this IA tool idea since it takes the imperfect decisions they inevitably make largely out of anyone's hands. The problem with giving anyone on the parents side insight into the algorithms, is that the worst parents are going to be trying to game the system and would use any such information to do that. If enough information was available to recreate the tool, I could imagine some lawyer doing that and providing guidance to parents who claim they were unfairly flagged.

It's an interesting dilemma in the child-protection vs parents-rights debate. If independent contractors are writing the code for these programs, certainly government oversight is needed to insure quality. This article does not address that issue.

Another issue is parents being untruthful and often getting the kids to lie too. People often think they are much better at assessing truthfulness than the actually are.


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17 Mar 2023, 7:19 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
What's Airstrip One?
"Airstrip One" is a reference to George Orwell's novel "1984".


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