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31 May 2022, 6:37 pm

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schools are gonna have to become armed camps, with strictly enforced and limited egress points. students are gonna have to get used to strict security protocols, no more lost ID cards/lanyards, things are gonna get pretty tough for those with students and parents with ADHD. and attacks on businesses in general are the next wave. i'm glad i'm relatively close to the exit.
I understand it's the expected cost of defending understricted access to firearms?

And, before any angry answers - between unrestricted access to firearms and full firearms ban, there's quite a lot of space that should be seriously explored in public debate.


Angry answers here in this thread, you mean?
I don't recall any.
I have made it very clear I am in favour of gun control in Amurrria, btw.


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Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

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31 May 2022, 6:41 pm

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Okay now local radio station broadcasts , that the shooter was outside the school for 12 mins , shooting . Before entering the school …after crashing his truck outside off the school . But school did not lock down ? And back door of school was propped open supposedly for persons working there whom preferred to smoke cigarette’s . And the distance across the entire town there supposedly takes less than 12 mins to cross in traffic. And police even
waited outside the school. While he was killing children .
But was supposedly barricaded in a classroom with more children . Dept of Justice has been called in to analyze the situation. 8O
And of course all this takes place 24 hrs before NRA convention.. :oops:
Weird coincidence. Am just not buying coincidences in mass killing situations anymore . Even 9/11 dibocle had extra building falling straight down to the ground that were never struck . Claims of terrorists in middle east causing all this , just as we needed an excuse to destroy those countries . With military intervention . :skull:


It could have been a "Black Operation" to coincide with the NRA convention.
Think about it, people.

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Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet."
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31 May 2022, 6:43 pm

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Jakki wrote:
Okay now local radio station broadcasts , that the shooter was outside the school for 12 mins , shooting . Before entering the school …after crashing his truck outside off the school . But school did not lock down ? And back door of school was propped open supposedly for persons working there whom preferred to smoke cigarette’s . And the distance across the entire town there supposedly takes less than 12 mins to cross in traffic. And police even
waited outside the school. While he was killing children .
But was supposedly barricaded in a classroom with more children . Dept of Justice has been called in to analyze the situation. 8O
And of course all this takes place 24 hrs before NRA convention.. :oops:


If that doesn't give the conspiracy theorists a sugar high I don't know what will.

Speaking of things I don't know, since I don't watch TV I do not know if the view from where he crashed his grandmother's truck to the school buildings has been shown.
So, here it is on Google street view,
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1996713 ... 312!8i6656


Man, do I feel dizzy. :drunken:


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Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet."
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31 May 2022, 6:47 pm

If I was a parent living in America I'd be terrified to send my kids to school. They're just not safe. I think they should install security keypads on the doors like they do in care homes because the children just aren't safe.

Sorry to say but America is a horrible place to live with all these guns and things. I know a person who migrated to America to live with his girlfriend and before he'd even moved there he received a form for applying for gun ownership. Wow.


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31 May 2022, 6:57 pm

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They're just not safe. I think they should install security keypads on the doors like they do in care homes because the children just aren't safe.


In an apartment where I lived it was the children themselves causing the unsafeness via giving the door code to some of their friends ...
who gave it to some of their friends ...
who gave it to some more of their friends.


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31 May 2022, 7:05 pm

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They're just not safe. I think they should install security keypads on the doors like they do in care homes because the children just aren't safe.


In an apartment where I lived it was the children themselves causing the unsafeness via giving the door code to some of their friends ...
who gave it to some of their friends ...
who gave it to some more of their friends.


A door code that only the staff know, to the entrances and exits only (not doors to every single room). Just to lessen the chances of any psycho with a gun off the street from entering the building.

America is a stupid f****d up place. The security is terrible yet there are people running loose with guns. The mind boggles.


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31 May 2022, 7:09 pm

Agrees with the above post by PePe….^^^^^^^……. :D


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31 May 2022, 7:11 pm

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A door code that only the staff know, to the entrances and exits only (not doors to every single room).


With today's kids it might remain staff-only knowledge for, oh, as long as 20 minutes.


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31 May 2022, 7:11 pm

Here the outside doors to schools are always locked.
Only the admin and custodial staff have keys.
Teachers are allowed in at one brief time in the morning / lunch.

Teachers who arrive at any other time have to buzz in with a security camera.
The camera is only at the main door.

Teachers don't need access otherwise.
That's way too many sets of keys and too much insurance risk.



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31 May 2022, 7:16 pm

I have an ID key card that lets me go in and out of my school whenever I want to. Sometimes staff even prop the door open. What happened in Texas could’ve just as easily happened in my school.

Any visiter can go into the office at any time during school hours. The door from the office to the school is always shut, but it’s a glass door. If someone entered with a gun, there wouldn’t be much to stop him or her.


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31 May 2022, 7:20 pm

Visitors here go to the camera and buzz in.
There's a speaker thing where they can say who they are.

ID tags are used in the school as ID, but they wouldn't allow anyone access.
Otherwise, people could steal your ID card to get in the building.
You'd also have to worry about teachers losing their ID tag somewhere in public.

It's sad that yes, there are loopholes everywhere. :(
Our schools worry about shooters who might be outside (at recess etc).
Teachers might not be able to get their classes inside fast enough.

I guess there's no perfect system.

* Can you actually go in the school any time? Like, overnight? 8O



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31 May 2022, 7:24 pm

I can go in whenever my little heart desires. If I get the sudden urge to work on an IEP at midnight, I could go in and do it.

The school is awful when it comes to security. Kids have gotten out on several occasions over the past few months - none who were in my care.


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31 May 2022, 7:28 pm

That gives a whole new meaning to kids thinking their teachers sleep at school. ^ 8)

You could actually sleep there?

That sounds like really bad security.

Here the custodial staff will kick everyone out at a certain time in the evening.

There are motion detectors when everyone goes home.


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Gun legislation was changed immediately after the tragedy.



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31 May 2022, 7:29 pm

We are an underfunded, understaffed, and low achieving school that gets difficult children from the surrounding counties (on top of all of our own regular and special education students) because we supposedly have the resources to care for them. We have padded isolation rooms.


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31 May 2022, 7:30 pm

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That gives a whole new meaning to kids thinking their teachers sleep at school. ^ 8)

You could actually sleep there?

That sounds like really bad security.

Here the custodial staff will kick everyone out at a certain time in the evening.

There are motion detectors when everyone goes home.


The latest I’ve stayed is 6:30, so far.


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31 May 2022, 7:31 pm

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
A door code that only the staff know, to the entrances and exits only (not doors to every single room).


With today's kids it might remain staff-only knowledge for, oh, as long as 20 minutes.


Well it doesn't matter really, as long as psychos off the street don't, and the code can change every year so that kids that have left and have become angry psycho teenagers won't know the code to get in.

OK, enough with the ifs, ands and buts, as Isabella said there is no perfect system but it might help make the school's a little safer, and children must know how scary and bad school shootings are, especially knowing that they happen so often over there, so I don't think the kids are going to be too bothered about spreading a code around to everyone in the world.
Kids might only do that if they're forbidden to enter a room with a code. With this, it is not forbidding children to enter any doors, it is keeping them safe from the psychos that could be lurking around with their precious little guns.

I know having security codes on outside doors won't make a difference when the children are outside at recess but surely there are some precautions schools can take in order to keep the children safer. I think there's only been one school shooting in the UK, back in 1995 or 1996 in Dunblane.


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