Question about having sadism and ASD at the same time

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28 Mar 2021, 6:54 pm

I put my sources and my opinions that I made about ASD and criminality.



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28 Mar 2021, 6:56 pm

I put my point that what you are describing is fear mongering and sending misinformation that you have and I explained why that is on the topic that I made.

I put the government sources as well.

I explained here and in my topic and three times now. The link that you mentioned are small subgroups of people with mental health and developmental disorders that commit crimes. In fact, most people with mental health and developmental disorders are ten times more likely to be victims than being perpetrators.



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28 Mar 2021, 7:09 pm

The only stimgma and discrimination here comes from people who are uneducated or rude or have fear mongering from not being educated about the subject between mental health disorders, developmental disorders and criminality.



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28 Mar 2021, 8:12 pm

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It was half-sarcasm what I said.

Well there's enough autistic serial killers to give autism a bad name. It only takes a small handful of people from a certain group to cause such stigma against that whole group of people. And with having the misleading "lack of empathy" tied with autism also stretches the stigma further.


Serial killers are psychopaths. Lack of empathy is a characteristic associated with sociopathy and psychopathy, not autism. I don't possess any expert knowledge on the subject of comorbidity of sociopathy/psychopathy and ASD, but I'm unaware of any reason why it couldn't occur in some individuals.

In any event, the vast majority of violent crimes are carried out by neurotypicals. Does that mean we should all have an irrational fear of neurotypicals, then?



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28 Mar 2021, 8:15 pm

Exactly! I made the same point as well. We need to be careful, because not everyone in the general population commits crimes eather. But at the same time, psychopathy or sociopathy are mental disorders as well and it is part of broader term of Conduct Disorders, Antisocial Personality Disorder, Narcissistic Personality Disorder or in some cases Delusion of grandeur.

It's confusing.



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28 Mar 2021, 9:32 pm

My ex exhibited behaviors that I later learned are associated with narcissistic personality disorder, and as a result I have little compassion for narcissists. I don't think most members on WP are fans of Donald Trump, and anyone with a passing familiarity with what NPD is would agree Trump exhibits all the signs. I think not many people, myself included, are willing to forgive individuals that deliberately harm others just because they suffer from conduct disorders.



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28 Mar 2021, 10:10 pm

I agree! It is very hard to pull mental defence card when they commit crimes, because conduct disorders are not really psychotic disorders. But even then you still don't get sympathy just because you were legally insane. You still go to jail or prison, the only difference is that you get mental evaluation forced by the judge, but insanity defense doesn't safe you from punishments if you committed high profile crimes.



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29 Mar 2021, 12:05 am

I am sorry! I don't mean to scare you.

I know that you are mad at me as well, even though you are a very understanding person.

Thank you!


I am about to go to mental hospital soon.

My brain is driving me crazy and the thoughts I have are f*****g disgusting.

I am sorry that I said the bad word, it's just my thoughts and what I might have done are just profoundly awful.


I feel deeply confused. I have suicidal ideations and feel ashamed of myself.

I just want to get drunk to put myself to sleep or just take my own life.

I am suffering, I can't take it ANYMORE!! !



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29 Mar 2021, 2:23 am

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In any event, the vast majority of violent crimes are carried out by neurotypicals. Does that mean we should all have an irrational fear of neurotypicals, then?


Well, that would be quite logical to look at it like that, but don't forget NTs are the majority so they can kind of get away with anything (neurologically speaking). But when it's people from a minority that commit a crime, that's when the stigmas start.

@OP - please don't take your own life. :cry:
I'm not trying to frighten anyone, I just get freaked out by threads like this, that's all:
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29 Mar 2021, 5:08 am

Speaking as a person who had some pretty darned "dark thoughts" myself when I was in high school:

My suggestion is that you try to channel your rage against the bullies in a more positive direction, by trying to make the world a better place for children who in today's world would be bullied. Specifically I would suggest that you:

1) Do research on school anti-bullying policies in different countries, and in different locales within countries (such as the U.S.A.) where such policies are set at a local level.

2) Find out what research has been done on the relative effectiveness of different kinds of anti-bullying policies.

3) As you are in process of doing your research, take careful notes, including and especially your sources for everything you learn, and write up your findings (including links to sources) on a blog, preferably on either Wordpress.com or Google Blogger. Also set Google News to notify you of any news about anti-bullying policies, and write blog posts about any such news, as well about all the other information you dig up on bullying and anti-bullying policies.

(If you choose to use Wordpress.com, I can give you some advice on organizing your blog to make it more reader-friendly and also in terms of SEO (search engine optimization.)

Make your research an ongoing project that you dig into periodically, stretching out over at least the next few years. I recommend that you aim to write at least one blog post every two or three weeks, and sometimes more often.

In addition to all these blog posts chronicling your research on anti-bullying policies, it might be good also to have a featured static page listing resources for children who have been bullied. Keep adding resources to this page as you happen to come across them online.

If you keep this up over a long enough period of time, eventually your blog will become a world-class anti-bullying resource. You'll also be able to refer back to it to gather information for papers that you can write for academic credit, possibly in a high-school social studies class, and more likely in a college sociology or political science class.

Once you've built your resource, over a period of at least a few years, you'll also be an excellent position to work with political activist groups that are lobbying for more effective anti-bullying policies. (Many of these are groups devoted primarily to other causes, e.g. LGBTQ+ rights groups.) You could also share your work with other interested groups, e.g. groups of parents of autistic children, given that autistic children are often bullied.


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29 Mar 2021, 5:37 am

FranzOren wrote:
I am sorry! I don't mean to scare you.

I know that you are mad at me as well, even though you are a very understanding person.

Thank you!

I am about to go to mental hospital soon.

My brain is driving me crazy and the thoughts I have are f*****g disgusting.

You clearly do have a conscience. That in itself means you are probably not in the same league with serial killers, who generally do not have much of a conscience, if any.

If you are tormented by unwelcome thoughts, please consider the possibility that you might just have OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder) rather than something like "Antisocial personality disorder" -- as long as you're not doing anything actually harmful, like torturing animals. (Yes, it's possible for an autistic person to have "Antisocial personality disorder" too, but I strongly doubt that's the case for you.)

Going to a mental hospital may do you more harm than good, and will certainly interfere with your schooling. I do not recommend it unless absolutely necessary.

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I am sorry that I said the bad word, it's just my thoughts and what I might have done are just profoundly awful.


I feel deeply confused. I have suicidal ideations and feel ashamed of myself.

You can make your life much more worth living by giving yourself a sense of purpose, e.g. in the way I suggested in my previous post above.

I should also point out that there are a lot of people who have a fascination for macabre fantasies and imagery, but who do not actually harm anyone. They're called horror fans.

If you can't get rid of your macabre thoughts, I would suggest that you try to make a separation between your horror-fan self and your rage. Channel your rage into research on bullying and anti-bullying policies, as I suggested in my previous post above. On the other hand, channel your horror-fan self into a second, completely separate blog on which you write movie reviews. On that second blog, do not talk about yourself or about anything in real life, and do not say anything that could be construed as a threat of violence against any real person. (Don't make any threats of violence on the first blog either, of course.)

One last bit of advice: Stay away from children, as much as you possibly can. If you are even slightly worried that you might eventually harm a child, that's one good reason to stay away from children. Another very important reason to stay away from children is so you'll be less likely to be falsely accused of harming a child. Such false accusations do happen, and it sounds to me like you are at substantial risk for being falsely accused. Given the things you have apparently said to other people about this matter, you'll be on the likely suspect list if anything bad happens to any children in your neighborhood. So you need to make sure you have a watertight alibi in the event that such bad things do happen in your neighborhood but you are not the perpetrator.


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29 Mar 2021, 9:06 am

It's still possible to have Conduct Disorder and still have empathy, but it is rare, because lack of empathy is the common symptom of Conduct Disorder.

I tend to treat psychopathy and sociopathy as a spectrum from profound to mild.



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29 Mar 2021, 9:30 am

Thank you!

I though about getting drunk or ending my own life, because I can't live like this anymore. It's crazy.


I wanted to get help before I thought I downloaded cp, although the police officer said I did nothing wrong or he said that just to calm me down and it would have sounded manipulative.


I might have acted on those thoughts in a unspecified way, I don't know if my IQ would be taken into account, because my IQ is usually too low for my age and because of that I might not have the right specified motivation to harm anyone, based on my IQ. It's complicated because I understand the legal qualifications of my actions.


The other thing that made me afraid of getting help in the first place before I though I did was too late and it caused me PTSD is is that I heard online a group of vigilantes planning to find suspected "pedos" and beating them, even if they did not have any criminal record whatsoever.

How is that going to help society?

I am pretty sure pedophiles will think many times about getting help in fear that they will get beaten up again. That is where the nasty things began if they don't get immediate help. I am not saying all of them turn nasty, but I meant to say if Pedophilic Disorder is severe.

Is there heather and more effective ways to punish people?

I hope you understand my concern.



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29 Mar 2021, 10:18 am

FranzOren wrote:
I might have acted on those thoughts in a unspecified way, I don't know if my IQ would be taken into account, because my IQ is usually too low for my age and because of that I might not have the right specified motivation to harm anyone, based on my IQ. It's complicated because I understand the legal qualifications of my actions.

The other thing that made me afraid of getting help in the first place before I though I did was too late and it caused me PTSD is is that I heard online a group of vigilantes planning to find suspected "pedos" and beating them, even if they did not have any criminal record whatsoever.

How is that going to help society?

Agreed. It's completely irrational and counter-productive. But a lot of people have such attitudes, alas.

I recommend that you just stay away from children and try not to worry about it too much otherwise. Focus more of your attention on other, more productive pursuits.

For example, what would you like to do for a living? And how can you prepare for that?

IQ test scores can be misleading. Do more reading and watch more educational videos (especially on mathematical topics) and your IQ scores will likely improve.


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29 Mar 2021, 10:47 am

Thank you!

I understood.


I meant to say that I kind of have a developmental disorder, because I did not learn math the way I was supposed to for my age, but it can be a choice that I made ( it's not normal), but it can be a genetic genetic predisposition as well.



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29 Mar 2021, 12:11 pm

Joe90 wrote:
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In any event, the vast majority of violent crimes are carried out by neurotypicals. Does that mean we should all have an irrational fear of neurotypicals, then?


Well, that would be quite logical to look at it like that, but don't forget NTs are the majority so they can kind of get away with anything (neurologically speaking). But when it's people from a minority that commit a crime, that's when the stigmas start.

@OP - please don't take your own life. :cry:
I'm not trying to frighten anyone, I just get freaked out by threads like this, that's all:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=294628&start=112



That is not good, but it can happen, they have better social skills and because of that they wrongly can get away with anything, but that is were personality disorders develop as if they can do no wrong. Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder includes Delusion of success and power.