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06 Apr 2018, 6:41 am

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What you mean is that the vast majority of people YOU KNOW, use them synonymously. That is your ignorance speaking, fact of the matter is that America isnt the only country in the world and not even an absolute majority use gender and sex synonymously. In academics, you have to know the distinction for example, not only as a biologist, medical practitioner or psychologist, but also in linguistics. I studied English and linguistics in Germany and even professors in Germany make that distinction in the lineage, grammatical genus etc. But you further contextualize it by saying "körperliches Geschlecht (sex)", "psychisches Geschlecht (gender)", "grammatikalisches Geschlecht (Genus)" and "Adelsgeschlecht (noble lineage)".

Gender coming from word root "gen" originally meant type or kind and was originally highly dependent on context. For example "genre" meant type too, but nowadays it describes types of media or cultural styles for example.

Dont try to justify yourself with ignorance by claiming the majority of people use them synonymously when in reality you are only speaking from personal experience within your environment. A more correct articulation of your opinion would be, "I have never/seldomly heard them not be used synonymously before." or "In my experience, I tend to keep a close circle and we use it this way." That would be fine.


I am in fact British not American and we speak English not German. Its not ignorance to not go along with some new made up definition of a word.



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06 Apr 2018, 6:55 am

Are you so ignorant that you basically half-assed reading what I wrote? I am not complaining about you not agreeing with me. You are so self-absorbed that you take an "I am right and everyone else is wrong." position. You aren't the kind of objectivity. You don't seem to make distinctions between opinion and fact.

My problem with you is basically believe that your opinion is an objective truth and not a personal truth. Of course, people use sex and gender synonymously, but not everyone and not even a majority. Different definitions come about by different people. Officially, gender is a highly contextual word that can mean sex if put in the right context, but by itself it isnt synonymous with sex.



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06 Apr 2018, 6:59 am

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Are you so ignorant that you basically half-assed reading what I wrote? I am not complaining about you not agreeing with me. You are so self-absorbed that you take an "I am right and everyone else is wrong." position. You aren't the kind of objectivity. You don't seem to make distinctions between opinion and fact.

My problem with you is basically believe that your opinion is an objective truth and not a personal truth. Of course, people use sex and gender synonymously, but not everyone and not even a majority. Different definitions come about by different people. Officially, gender is a highly contextual word that can mean sex if put in the right context, but by itself it isnt synonymous with sex.


Where are you getting this from?



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06 Apr 2018, 7:08 am

If you just google the topic, you will see that many sources dont agree with each other. This means it is multifaceted or practically a matter of interpretation. This shows the problem of your absolutist views.



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06 Apr 2018, 7:12 am

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If you just google the topic, you will see that many sources dont agree with each other. This means it is multifaceted or practically a matter of interpretation. This shows the problem of your absolutist views.


Yes there are different views. The people who started using the new definition and the people who use the old definition.



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06 Apr 2018, 7:20 am

And that is my point, the big problem that I have noticed among autists is that bad articulation of ones opinions can lead to troublesome situations. Also it isn't new definition vs old definition. But the oldest definition is that gender was first only used in a linguistic sense to define the genus aka male and female words in languages such as le vs la in French. Then in the 50s, it came to define the mental/social sex making it related to sex but not the same as sex. And some time since then people used sex and gender synonymously. So basically in the current situation there are three parallel definitions. And most dictionaries have all three listed, because all three are used commonly. Commonly doesn't mean by majority but that it is noticeable.

Do you have a GCSE and lots of spare time? If you why don't you take some linguistics, psychology and neurolinguistics classes at Open University? http://www.open.ac.uk/



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01 May 2018, 1:22 pm

Gender dysphoria and physical (body) dysphoria can and should be considered separate things. Gender dysphoria is a state of discomfort, distress, or dissatisfaction with the gender you were assigned at birth. I think of this as basically the universal situation for trans people. You don't need body dysphoria to be trans, though. When people online say you don't need "dysphoria" to be trans, they're almost certainly talking about body dysphoria.

Of course they very frequently go hand in hand, but they are two distinct aspects to be considered as such.


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03 May 2018, 10:57 am

Aniihya wrote:
Are you so ignorant that you basically half-assed reading what I wrote? I am not complaining about you not agreeing with me. You are so self-absorbed that you take an "I am right and everyone else is wrong." position. You aren't the kind of objectivity. You don't seem to make distinctions between opinion and fact.

My problem with you is basically believe that your opinion is an objective truth and not a personal truth.


Den würde ich nicht mit komplexen Erklärungen zum Thema Philologie belasten! Er kann keine andere Perspektiven verdauen; neue Informationen ignoriert er nur.

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03 May 2018, 11:02 am

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I keep hearing about this on tumblr how one can be trans without feeling uncomfortable with their body that is the opposite gender that doesn't match their brain. Or is this Tumblr BS I am reading?

"Trans" is an umbrella term than encompasses transsexuals and transvestities. So the "non-gender-dysphoric trans people" are basically transvesities, and there's nothing wrong with that. As long as people without gender dysphoria (GD) don't try undergoing treatment for GD, there's no issue.


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03 May 2018, 2:52 pm

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Aniihya wrote:
Are you so ignorant that you basically half-assed reading what I wrote? I am not complaining about you not agreeing with me. You are so self-absorbed that you take an "I am right and everyone else is wrong." position. You aren't the kind of objectivity. You don't seem to make distinctions between opinion and fact.

My problem with you is basically believe that your opinion is an objective truth and not a personal truth.


Den würde ich nicht mit komplexen Erklärungen zum Thema Philologie belasten! Er kann keine andere Perspektiven verdauen; neue Informationen ignoriert er nur.

As they say: you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.


Lol. Da haste recht!



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21 Jun 2018, 1:37 pm

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I keep hearing about this on tumblr how one can be trans without feeling uncomfortable with their body that is the opposite gender that doesn't match their brain. Or is this Tumblr BS I am reading?

Short answer: Yes, it's tumblr BS.

Long answer: I believe the right to self-identify should be seen as a basic human right, and nobody should have to jump through dozens of hoops just to get a gender change on their ID. But, I would certainly question the motives of a transitioner who has never shown any signs of Gender Dysphoria. Being trans is dangerous, a lot of people hate us, you get hated on by fundamentalists of religion, you get hated on by fundamentalists of biology, you get hated on by radical right-wingers and radical "feminists" (TERFs)... you'll probably lose some friends and family, so yeah I definitely wouldn't recommend this life to anyone who doesn't have a very good reason for it.

But anyone who does decide to transition, I don't care about their medical or psychiatric background, it was their choice and I'll respect them as a brother or sister (or gender-non-specific nonbinary sibling)



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25 Jun 2018, 3:19 am

I didn't experience dysphoria before I transitioned. My gender was just something that was persistent and innate, though didn't cause me any specific angst or emotional pain.

The closest I got to dysphoric feelings was just a sense of living a male life being interminably boring and lifeless.

When I began transitioning, and had that goal firmly in mind that's when I started to experience dysphoria, I could see where I wanted to be, I was far closer to it than ever before but I was also still so far away with a long and difficult journey ahead. Everyone other woman and trans woman that was 'further along' was a source of angst. "What can't it be that easy for me?" stuff like that.

Those kinds of thoughts never occurred to me before transitioning. So as far as I'm concerned, I did not experience gender dysphoria before I transitioned.

And you don't need gender dysphoria to be trans. It's an adjective after all, so it's just a state of being, you don't need to do or feel anything to be something. Dysphoria is an EXTREMELY common symptom of being trans, often exacerbated by how society treats trans people, but it's not a requirement, and not every trans person experiences it, nor experience it in the same way.

Being transgender is simply having a gender identity that is incongruent with the gender assigned at birth. This includes non-binary genders, of which, I came to realise, my gender is.

It's been ten years since I started my transition, and it was definitely the right decision for me, dysphoria or not, binary or not.

As to the sex/gender stuff... Most professionals in the medical field I've interacted with (not just trans related) see trans women as of the female sex. XY Females (presuming that their chromosomes are XY, unless tested who knows really). And trans men as of the male sex. XX Males.

This is not all that different from many intersex conditions. (There has been talk that being trans could be a kind of intersex condition anyway, but eh *shrug*)

People that get so hung up on sex and gender and genitalia and whether a man is really "biologically* a woman or vice versa aren't really worth dealing with. Their own ignorance means history will inevitably leave them all behind. Just a matter of time.



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05 Jul 2020, 4:07 am

Hi, I'm new to this website!

I would honestly want to say that I relate to this in some way. I sometimes don't feel dysphoric, but I do believe that I am transgender, but I'm also unsure if it's just a phase or something that is really something I should pay attention to.

It could also just be because I'm not a transgender male or female, but rather non-binary and still experimenting. After being diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome, it probably would feel like it had something to do with that and why I don't experience full-blown dysphoria due to apathetic feelings that derive from my diagnosis.

I have ADHD, SAD and AD.
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05 Jul 2020, 4:49 am

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Hi, I'm new to this website!

I would honestly want to say that I relate to this in some way. I sometimes don't feel dysphoric, but I do believe that I am transgender, but I'm also unsure if it's just a phase or something that is really something I should pay attention to.

It could also just be because I'm not a transgender male or female, but rather non-binary and still experimenting. After being diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome, it probably would feel like it had something to do with that and why I don't experience full-blown dysphoria due to apathetic feelings that derive from my diagnosis.

I have ADHD, SAD and AD.
More information is given in my description of my profile. :D


Well, as someone on the spectrum that not too long ago recognised myself as non-binary and generally have not experienced dysphoria from just existing as male, I hope that I could help a little. My experience of myself is that more hyper masculine stuff don't fit me and might cause a feeling I think would be called dysphoria, but more importantly I think it has been more gender euphoria I have felt from considering the enby aesthetic that would mix masculine and feminine. My body being more masculine then adding some feminine aspects to balance it a bit. And as far as I know that is actually valid, although I have been a bit afraid to try too much in public.

Without any way to actually check it, I kind of think that I would be happy either way, although I do have quite a few times where I doubt myself from a lack of something like dysphoria of myself at that time, but I think it is better to think of the gender euphoria if you have felt that before.


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05 Jul 2020, 6:06 am

Bradleigh wrote:
ThatOneWhiteKnight wrote:
Hi, I'm new to this website!

I would honestly want to say that I relate to this in some way. I sometimes don't feel dysphoric, but I do believe that I am transgender, but I'm also unsure if it's just a phase or something that is really something I should pay attention to.

It could also just be because I'm not a transgender male or female, but rather non-binary and still experimenting. After being diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome, it probably would feel like it had something to do with that and why I don't experience full-blown dysphoria due to apathetic feelings that derive from my diagnosis.

I have ADHD, SAD and AD.
More information is given in my description of my profile. :D


Well, as someone on the spectrum that not too long ago recognised myself as non-binary and generally have not experienced dysphoria from just existing as male, I hope that I could help a little. My experience of myself is that more hyper masculine stuff don't fit me and might cause a feeling I think would be called dysphoria, but more importantly I think it has been more gender euphoria I have felt from considering the enby aesthetic that would mix masculine and feminine. My body being more masculine then adding some feminine aspects to balance it a bit. And as far as I know that is actually valid, although I have been a bit afraid to try too much in public.

Without any way to actually check it, I kind of think that I would be happy either way, although I do have quite a few times where I doubt myself from a lack of something like dysphoria of myself at that time, but I think it is better to think of the gender euphoria if you have felt that before.


Hi Bradleigh

I usually identify and depend on what I feel like I should be. I sometimes ironically want to experience dysphoria to give me a little bit of direction in my journey to becoming what I am supposed to be.

Some things online have either confused or encouraged me with what I prefer to have in my design. I wouldn't exactly want to be considered a transtrender. I sometimes have slight gender dysphoria when it comes to parts of my body and improper use of names, seeing as I've not fully come out to my family.

I don't know for sure which term I'd use under the non-binary umbrella, but for sure it's somewhere under there. I use they/them pronouns as stated in my description of my profile.

Thank you for your reply.


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05 Jul 2020, 6:35 am

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Hi Bradleigh

I usually identify and depend on what I feel like I should be. I sometimes ironically want to experience dysphoria to give me a little bit of direction in my journey to becoming what I am supposed to be.

Some things online have either confused or encouraged me with what I prefer to have in my design. I wouldn't exactly want to be considered a transtrender. I sometimes have slight gender dysphoria when it comes to parts of my body and improper use of names, seeing as I've not fully come out to my family.

I don't know for sure which term I'd use under the non-binary umbrella, but for sure it's somewhere under there. I use they/them pronouns as stated in my description of my profile.

Thank you for your reply.


I unfortunately am not sure how much of what you have written on your profile is showing up publicly, since I can't see anything about pronouns on it.

I myself don't really know what I would be under non-binary; it could be bigender, it could be genderfluid, I am not sure. All I know is that I too feel different at different times. Totally understand the occasional thought that dysphoria would help have a more definitive idea of how to go.

Mentioning "transtrender" there is a particular video by internet queen ContraPoints called Transtrenders, I can't quite remember what impact it had on me, but ContraPoints is great.


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