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Should 2S be in the acronym
Yes because it applies to many cultures 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Yes because it is important even if it is localised 25%  25%  [ 1 ]
No because it is localised 50%  50%  [ 2 ]
There should be more to the acronym to identify other queer, hurt cultures 25%  25%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 4

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25 Aug 2022, 7:00 am

Now to be completely upfront, I am white, Australian and queer. I want to be educated on why the 2 spirit is part of the ever growing acronym for the queer community.

Now, I understand that the British stole and dehumanised the queer individuals of native America and Canada and 2-Spirit is a way for them to reclaim and normalise their hurt culture.
My issue (I suppose) is that the acronym is a world wide queer symbol used by people everywhere to help identify themselves. 2-Spirit only offers clarity to 2 countries, unless I am wrong and Aboriginal, Torres Strait Islanders, Maori and other native but harmed queer cultures can use this term as it fits to their history.

So yeah why is it in there if it is not useful to the world and only America (and Canada).

P.S. I didn't think about Latin cultures and if it applies to them as well.


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25 Aug 2022, 9:30 pm

I don't see why people who are two-spirit shouldn't be considered LGBT+, if they choose to be considered as such. Even if it's an identity that's specific to certain cultures, I don't see why those people can't be included in and identify themselves by, what you called, a "world wide queer symbol". Those specific cultures are still part of the general "world", and the people in those cultures still can face the widespread issues that cause people to identify with that symbol.

In regards to the actual acronym "LGBT", I don't see anything beyond "LGBT", "LGBT+", or "LGBTQ" being very commonly used. Two-spirit can be covered by the "T", "+", or the "Q". I personally don't think anything beyond "LGBT+" or "LGBTQ" needs to used. People can choose to use whatever they want, though.


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25 Aug 2022, 9:46 pm

Never heard of "two spirit". But have heard of the "berdache" (pronounced 'beer-dock') status among the American plains Indians - who were men who took on the role and dress of woman because they just couldnt fit in in the male role in their culture.

There was even a berdache character in the tribe that adopted Dustin Hoffman in the movie "Little Big Man".

But we already have two many letters in the LBGTQ, and whatever it is now, anyway.


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21 Sep 2022, 3:41 pm

Did you know?
August 4th 1990, the term "Two-Spirit", for Indigenous people "who embody diverse (or non-normative) sexualities, genders, gender roles, and/or gender expressions", was adopted at the 3rd Annual Gathering of Native American Gays and Lesbians being held near Beausejour, Manitoba, Canada.
Teacher, counselor, administrator, mentor and elder, Dr. Myra Laramee (First Nations Cree) brought the term to a sharing circle of 80 Indigenous LGBT+ people from across North America at the 1990 Gathering, and it was quickly adopted.
As Harlan Pruden, the managing editor of the Two-Spirit Journal, put it: "[Two-Spirit evokes] the time before the harshness of colonisation where many, not all, First Peoples had traditions and ways that were non-binary, where some Nations had 3, 4, 5, 6, or even 7+ different genders and these genders were not only accepted and honoured but also had distinct roles within their respective Nations. Today, we would generally refer to these individuals as Two-Spirit.”
Pictured: We'wha, c1886. We'wha was a Zuni lhamana, who are people with typically male bodies who take on at least some social and ceremonial roles of women, and sometimes wear women's clothes. Some lhamana today identify as Two-Spirit.
Source: Working Class History

Here's a good article about what it means to be 2 spirited: ... 69ca93c14e

Also contains complaints about the term being culturally appropriated by non-Indigenous peoples.. this is the part I take slight issue with. Wtf? How can a culture call dibs on a gender identity/expression? :? My trans fwb recently said he likes the label '2 spirited' as it most accurately describes him as an androgynous person that rides the line between female/male vs. a more masculine identity as a trans man. Although he's chill being called trans, and says he's fine with either male or female pronouns/doesn't take offence to anything about any of this stuff at all. Afaik he doesn't have any Indigenous heritage as a fairly bright white dirty blonde haired person (but I've known white blonde people that are status metis) & simply really Likes the definition of 2 spirit as it applies to his lived human experience.

Apparently my family is some small part Native, so, maybe I'm allowed to have my say haha and if I am my vote is that it's an umbrella term for a gender identity, not a language or something. Credit should be given to the peoples and cultures where it comes from for coining the catch-all term, but IMO it should be a free-for-all for anyone on Earth to identify as if the shoe fits.

As for it only applying to 2 countries.. as the OP said, there's also Central and South America. But even with only Canada and the USA that's 13.04% of the entire world's land mass. South America is another 3.5%, + a bit in between = around 17% of the entire world. Not like even IF it's only to apply to American Indigenous peoples that it's like choosing Vatican City, Monaco, and Nauru - the 3 smallest 'countries' in the world. (I've never even heard of Nauru lol, result from google.)

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