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Steve_Cory
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27 Jan 2006, 1:13 am

I used to be a militant Aspie of the greatest kind. I even made Aspergers into a type of religion. It was my GOAL IN LIFE to try to help other Aspies feel self-esteem. But after I made a huge effort to do so... a startling discovery came to me.

None of you want actual help.

Most of you are here just to gloat your 'abilities' because you can't do it anywhere else. I'm sick and tired of seeing this wonderful forum go to waste by a bunce of useless threads only meant for those who want to brag on themselves. They pretend like they are asking advice or help, but when reading between the lines, it become blatantly obvious most of you are completely out of your minds.

I tried making a Superhero for all of us. A few stepped up to "help" (note the quotation marks), but NONE FOLLOWED THROUGH. I THOUGHT PART OF AS WAS FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THINGS?

I've came to realize that I no longer believe in a difference between Aspergers or any other type of 'autism'. It is the enviroment you grew up in, mainly. My dad yelled at me all the time. Made me think I was worthless sometimes. I came to realize that Aspergers Syndrome is a scapegoat for kids who just grew up in the wrong elements of life.

The only cure for autism is to erradicate those who are diagnosed with it. You have all proven to me that you are useless. YOU TOOK WHAT PRIDE I HAD IN BEING 'AS' AND DASHED IT TO MILLIONS OF WORTHLESS PIECES! If there was a war between NTs and AS people, I would gladly join with the NTs in a heartbeat.

I blame all of you here at this forum and every other AS forum I tried visiting to show 'The Great Aspie Man' idea. You should all be terribly ashamed of yourselves...
just because you have converted this forum to a narcissistic supply for yourselves doesn't mean you have to ignore those who actually try to HELP out other AS PEOPLE without STRUTTING THEIR ABILITIES AND TRYING TO SHOW OFF!

Thanks guys. For nothing.



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27 Jan 2006, 1:24 am

Don't feed the trolls.



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27 Jan 2006, 1:33 am

Steve_Cory wrote:
I used to be a militant Aspie of the greatest kind. I even made Aspergers into a type of religion. It was my GOAL IN LIFE to try to help other Aspies feel self-esteem. But after I made a huge effort to do so... a startling discovery came to me.

None of you want actual help.


When I believe I've found something useful, I also try to share it. Sometimes, I conclude from the reactions I get that people don't want to hear it, that it is too radical, or that it's too big a step too fast.

It sounds like you'll have some new free time now. I hope you find something fun and interesting.



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27 Jan 2006, 1:43 am

Steve_Cory wrote:
it become blatantly obvious most of you are completely out of your minds.The only cure for autism is to erradicate those who are diagnosed with it.
I blame all of you here at this forum and every other AS forum I tried visiting to show 'The Great Aspie Man' idea. You should all be terribly ashamed of yourselves...
just because you have converted this forum to a narcissistic supply for yourselves doesn't mean you have to ignore those who actually try to HELP out other AS PEOPLE without STRUTTING THEIR ABILITIES AND TRYING TO SHOW OFF!

Thanks guys. For nothing.


It sounds to me like you're the only one here who's out of their mind. I hope you get the help YOU need.



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27 Jan 2006, 1:44 am

uh..

I'm not going to retaliate with hatred for the things you said, but instead say that I'm sorry to hear that you've been affected negatively by what others post here on Wrong Planet. I would like to try and understand what the reason is for you having such a negative experience here.

Let me ask you question, assuming you have the AS disorder;
Do you have a support-network of people OUTSIDE of the internet for your Asperger Syndrome Disorder?
-Maybe you are brainwashed with the idea of having a disability, and need to forget about it for awhile: this helped me to not drown in self-pity and relax and look at myself as a whole being.

We are human, and people who have an experience with getting through a problem someone else is facing will typicallly try to help them, AS or no AS.

Your criticism is harsh, because we are just coming together as a community to be with like-minded people, and being the people that we are.

Lisa

Ps. This isn't to MY credit, but someone expressed the following comment:
"You people dont want help. I tried helping you. You're all a bunce of people sitting behind a keyboard, not working hard enough to become NTs like you should."



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27 Jan 2006, 1:46 am

Yeah, dude, of course we don't want help.

Because we don't need HELP.

We need FRIENDS.

We need COMPANIONS.

I find this forum not as a refuge to find help, but a place to find COMPANIONSHIP in a world full of ignorant NTs that think you're strange!

In fact, I find it offensive that you claim that we need "help". We can't "help" our conditions. We must live with them, that is the ultimatum. And acutally, most of us accept our condition, and like it, and accept it's part of who we are.

HOWEVER, others, NTs, don't understand that, and so we come here to find people that understand AS and we come here to talk about AS itself, we don't come here to say "Can someone please help me, I hate AS and want to cure myself, how do I do that?"

Help can mean millions of things. Help can mean telling people how to get rid of their AS quirks, like you're supposing, and help can mean talking with other Aspies in order to understand your AS quirks, like I've taken to. Gathering friends with people here has helped me. Obviously, you're not attempting that.

So what if we show of our quirks? It's our God-given RIGHT to! If coming here can give us the CONFIDENCE to do so, then my word, WHY do you condemn the action?! It's positive self-talk, that's what it is, and that's VERY healthy for your mental state. It makes us feel comfortable with ourselves, and I think that's the goal of this entire forum.

GroovyDruid's articles are another kind of help. They're the type of help that help you build upon yourself, not build from the ground-up. As he said earlier, "when I believe I've found something useful, I also try to share it."

The right type of help is talking with friends about your problems, and NT friends in the real world can't help with these problems, so we come online, make friends, discuss our quirks, and usually, people that come here, like myself, realize AS is a good thing and we accept it.

I know that's why I like this forum. Because now I love AS for what it makes me. And for what it gives me.

If you're trying to take away that confidence, why are you even here?

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27 Jan 2006, 1:48 am

The guy doesn't want help, he doesn't care about your opinions at all. He only wants to make you mad for his own pleasure.



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27 Jan 2006, 1:49 am

DrGonzo wrote:
The guy doesn't want help, he doesn't care about your opinions at all. He only wants to make you mad for his own pleasure.


I see what you mean.


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27 Jan 2006, 1:51 am

I sometimes feel the same way You do too. That is why I pick and choose very carefully the threads I post on. Especially when I give My thoughts on any subject that I see seriously. Though not in the Random Fun when I am there I am just trying to have fun.

Not all people will though want help in the end. This is something You should remember. A lot people here may gloat about what they can do even some that are honest will tell what they can not do in the end. There are sometimes We do have serious discussions on various topics here. Maybe You need to voice You options on those topics that matter to You most in the end to You.

Aspergers is a type of Autism. Aspergers is not the only type of Autism out there. You have to remember We maybe single minded enough to forget that sometimes.

You or anybody here is not useless because of Aspergers or Autism or what they may or may not have. We have all live differently and yet have some similarities how Our lives have been.

Not all of Us here are trying to show off or anything like that. I always try to be honest with everything I say nothing more or less than that in the end. You should not put Everybody in the same Basket in the end too. We are all Individuals with strengths and weaknesses too. Just thought You should know this okay.

Your Friend,

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27 Jan 2006, 1:52 am

Aspergers and Austim is real. The enviromental factor is very important though as it is with all people. Any body NT or not NT there development is effected strongly by there enviroment of course it is because that is where we recieve all our external stimuli that we use to develop who we are and make our own ideas about life. Autistics people processes the out side enviroment differen'tly to others and make differen't decisions based on the differen't view of things. So yes in the wrong enviroment a aspergers mite grow up to be a LFA instead who knows?

I also have the view of wanting to help others with aspergers out. But I have found alot of negativity to do with my ideas of thinking that aspegers do have advantages and things that we are better at than NTs and that these advantages should be nurtured and allow them to reach there potential. As we are also more likely to be happy doing some think we enjoy and are good at because these too usually goto gether with aspegers.

As for people being Narsictic I think alot of people have traces of that. Some people are saying they are so great to try and hide from the truth of real life and some are saying it to boost there own egos by coming on line and acting out the person they think they are or want to be instead of the real them which they may not even be aware of. I would say that boosting your self online is not to bad as long as it doesn't stop you from being able to talk about any thing else or any thing constructive. I would like to see more threads about helping others out in real ways and focusing on the advantages of Aspergers instead of this immense ammount of negativity I see here and every where else where there is any thing to do with Autism.

I also dislike the ammount of misunderstanding that goes on every where by every one. Like your comments Steve_Cory I think are just a missunderstanding.

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WTF kinda comment is that? Are you trying to piss people off. And what is with this Troll (read as witch) hunt that seems to be going on lately. Its like every ones trying to accuse every one else of being a troll. It reminds me of people trying to look for who were communists back in the days. In fact its the classic case of hunt out who has differen't ideas to the accepted. Granted there maybe some genuine trolls out there but do we have to hear about it all the frickin time? I my self have not run into any problems with any one who has been accussed of being a troll.


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27 Jan 2006, 1:57 am

You don't get it. This guy is a troll. By "help", he means that he wants us all to be NTs.



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27 Jan 2006, 1:57 am

On second thought I think I can see what Dr Gonzo was meaning before.


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27 Jan 2006, 2:04 am

^Heh.

I can't believe the nerve of this douche bag, really, asking us to be NTs. What's his right, really?

"I want to help you people! NOW GET UNDER THE PERSONALITY DESTROYER RAY!"


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27 Jan 2006, 2:04 am

In the original thread he said "The only cure for autism is to erradicate those who are diagnosed with it." That was the point where trolling is obvious.

Edit: In the context of the paragraph you will see how that is trolling.



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27 Jan 2006, 2:04 am

My own idea of 'help' for autistic spectrum people is helping people to achieve what they want or helping them elviate stress or coping skills. I am probably more interested in helping people in real life. I think in this situation Stev_cory needs to define what he means exactly by help. I don't think you can really help people develop real life friends from the internet because we really don't have that level of power with words to teach or be compainions in the way that we could in real life. But that said alot of people do find alot of comfort online away from every day life.


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27 Jan 2006, 2:10 am

DrGonzo wrote:
In the original thread he said "The only cure for autism is to erradicate those who are diagnosed with it." That was the point where trolling is obvious.

Edit: In the context of the paragraph you will see how that is trolling.


Ooops kinda fogot that. Now that you mention it.


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