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19 Nov 2011, 2:53 am

Do you find yourself hating them? The way they talk, think, dress, and act? The music, TV, sports teams, hobbies, websites they like?

Don't get me wrong, folks. I'm no bigot. A lot of my closest friends are neuros (hah!). It's just the good majority of them seem intolerable of my endless wisdom on life, and I remain indifferent to their incessantly illogical mindsets.

Example being, not but a few minutes ago I posted advice to a member on another forum looking for "the real". No trolling, no bull s**t.

I said, promptly:

"Life does not get better. It is always the same. Different for different folks with different strokes and different jokes, so simply choke.
In life you can only lose. There is no winning. We simply find ways to make our daily lives more or less comfortable. That's all.
"Throughout your life advance daily, more skillful than yesterday, more skillful than today. This is never-ending.""Learned men do not grieve for the dead or the living."This world is vanity indeed. People often forget this. Knowledge of the city is knowledge of unrest. Stray from what road your on, or turn around to see where you lost something. Retrospect is often associated with guilt, or regret. To me it is simply remembering once made mistakes, thus finding ways to avoid new ones. As I always paraphrase: "Common sense does not accomplish great things. Simply become insane and desperate." It's always worked for me. At least in keeping me not depressed. Also drugs, video games, women, food, and all that. Vanity helps to forget if that's what you choose. Forgetting just keeps the tremors away, though. So, remember the days when you were great."
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After that I got shunned as a buzz-kill by another member. I had to spell it out even more for these folks, by sugar coating it.
I was not trying to be bleek, but giving this kid the realness he sought. I guess he took it a different way...

Do you think my statement was negative? Do neuros always need this babying, or is it just the dumb ones? Would you like me to post their response or my follow-up, or could you give a rats ass?

BTW: I'm a new member here. 17 year old, male, undiagnosed (yet very certain I have autism), high school drop out. I love the name of this community. I feel like I'm in the wrong galaxy though. Hope I can call this place a home. I go by Silver Tongue, Silver, or Sedative.


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19 Nov 2011, 3:01 am

There is some truth to what you say but it's too close to being what life is really about it's uncomfortable. Maybe NT's want to deny it and convince themselves it's all daisies and marshmallows.

I couldn't give a rats ass what they said. I can probably guess it.


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19 Nov 2011, 3:08 am

Your post that you posted ....has a poetic feel about it....cant really explain other than that.



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19 Nov 2011, 3:49 am

I only hate stupid people, black and white thinkers, bigots, racists, child molesters, gah all bad people.

I have noticed on none autism forums, people ask a question and it turns into a drama because women are so easily offended and this happens often at Babycenter. It's like if you ask a question about choices people make, oh no you are a judgmental b***h and they shun you for it and bully you.

I have also noticed the world seems to be black and white because people are black and white, you are not allowed to like two different things or have two different things happen, like you cannot talk about bad drivers on the road and then say lot of people are good drivers in your area because then people get so confused and wonder "which is it?" idiots and what moron out there made black and white thinking an autistic trait? It's an idiotic trait and an as*hole one. I see lot of them at Babycenter and good thing I rarely go there now. Women there piss me off and I think it's a great place for trolling because they are meanies and deserve the crap. I'll leave it up for the people who have no lives to troll there. And that's an autistic trait women are doing there? After all black and white thinking is an autism thing right? :roll:

I also got crap on another forum by a black and white thinker because I said something about bad bicyclists and he picked a fight with me so I happily obliged and when i mentioned lot of bikers in my area are good, he got so confused and wondered which is it. :roll:

People are just illogical and have ridiculous standards, everyone should know there are bad bikers everywhere, bad drivers, bad pedestrians and that you can dislike both hot and cold weather, you can dislike cold weather and still like snow and enjoy skiing and enjoy hot weather and still enjoy going swimming and hope it be hot out that day. Hello, everyone knows someone can hate hot weather but they don't hate it just as long as they are going swimming, duh, it's that simple, do I need to dummy up what I wrote by spelling it out for those idiots?



I only hate people for how they think and act and that is it. I even hate people who have issues with things that can even be ignored such as breastfeeding or what people have on. Geez are they really unable to block it out? I can actually block things out in front of me or around me. All I have to do is concentrate on something in my head and I don't take notice what goes on beside me or in front of me. I have gone to a point now where I don't care anymore who I offend and I apologize a lot less now because why apologize if things will not get between between me and the other person. Sometimes I wonder why did I even bother? I now only care about people I like or my own friends or my family or husband or child. They matter to me and no one else so if they are offended, I don't care. Then acting the way I described in my posts makes me glad I offended them because they are not nice or I should say kind.


Nope I saw nothing wrong with what you wrote OP.



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19 Nov 2011, 5:22 am

Here is the thing, I find that no matter how illogical it is to believe that it will all be alright or that everything will be great, it is always far better for you and every one around you if you just hope for the best. NT and Aspies both want to be happy, and you saying those things made NT A think you were being mean to NT B, so NT A decided to tell you off to make NT B feel sad. Logic is not always the best way to go. Even here on wrong planet.
(How Ironic, a logical argument on why you shouldn't be logical.)


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19 Nov 2011, 9:14 am

As my therapist told me, "People tend to see through rose-colored glasses." It's more like people want to block out all bad things, thinking that those aspects can't/shouldn't exist to them. However, the good to one can be bad for another, so arguments and whatnot ensue due to differing opinions. With respect to Rax's ending comment, I'd have to agree . . . NTs are more emotional creatures, and emotions tend to give off contradictory information to individuals, so they go with the more "positive thinking" info in order to feel better about something. We logical thinkers want to be happy, but with all the problems inherent in things, we find it difficult. For example: I was talking to a coworker (who is friends with a aspie couple, so knows what I'm going through), and I bring up the topic of stocking (in retail, that's putting merchandise out for sale). I DESPISE it to all ends because it feels like such a futile act to put stuff up only to have it disappear moment's later, and some jackass of a manager tell you to put product back out. This coworker tells me she doesn't mind because it's part of the job and helps pay bills. Now I can understand what she said, but a futile act is still a futile act, right?



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19 Nov 2011, 10:02 am

Well, as Jack Nicholson said, "You can't handle the truth!"

There are different ways to deliver the truth. You were being very blunt, so I can understand why some make take offense with it. But they did ask for "the real." People are strange.


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19 Nov 2011, 10:48 am

I hate Machiavelli people, not necessarily the psychopaths or narcissist but the ones who are the bad ones of the 3.



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19 Nov 2011, 4:38 pm

League Girl: I appreciate the long reply. Yes I could see how baby center is a place like that. It deals with new lives! How could you not get dramatic about such a thing? Despite all the awful parents, over population, and abortions; children are the greatest thing ever. So innocent and calm, so guilty and full of energy. We are responsible to give them comfort and a home. That is something which concerns rhetoric. What I posted was on a hip-hop text battle forum. It is a lot more black and white and prone to trolling (bad trolling, behind by a few years) though.
I do, however, agree with your views for the most part. And yes I have the ability to block things out or run away. I've been doing it for too damn long, and I need answers. Social contact, as with most of you, is not my strong suit in the least. Yet, I still have a thirst for an outside knowledge of it.

Rax: Read my follow up. I personally don't give a rat's ass if anyone is feeling "sad" outside of my flock. Doesn't mean I don't jump on an opportunity to spread wisdom thru-out the faculty. Everyone should be exposed to logic once or twice, nah mean?

Circle: The egotistical ones? If your referring to me, than I suggest you quit. I can sit here and list all my faults to you. No one is better than anyone else. Someone can invent something first, but someone else can come along and improve it later. And they can perhaps do it better than the original. I feel that everyone are at different points in life. The young aspire to be the old, the old point and laugh at the young, or help them through it all. I feel like Aspergian folk' just wanna be themselves. Which is why every one I've known IRL are the coolest, most easily relatable people in the world. We lack a large ego. We don't wish for the material or societal standards others do to as much an extent.

PlatedDrake: This is true. Facebook is a good example. "I'm gonna gather all these old friends, relatives, and ex's so that I can show them how rad my life is!" It's always the ups, never the downs. Me? I have one with like 60 friends. I just post s**t not having anything to do with my life at all, in anyway. Songs, videos, little limericks I make up on the spot about life in general. It's never "feel sorry for me" It's never "like me, I finna get so wasted tonight!" No. I wear no rose colored glasses nor sun glasses. Just take life how it is. Derp. And stocking is a marketing strategy (ease of attainability/where people put their eyes), I know I wouldn't be going to a store if I had to ask some 20 year old to get me everything I need. People like to think they rely on themselves... Which they don't. We rely on the government and capitalist industry no matter how many pot heads tell you we don't.

Follow-Up:

"You asked for real. I was giving it to you.

Silver tells it like it is. If you didn't see the advice I was offering, I'm sorry. Let me spell it out for the hell of it.

We learn from our mistakes, it's okay to make them, as long as what your doing is learning. Getting caught up in the drama of everyday life's chit chatter is not worthy use of time IMO. Not to say "Don't take risks, read books all day, live at momses house." No, no, no don't get it twisted.

We all live this life. We all go through generally the same thing. It's just how you handle it. If you lay in bed at night tossing and turning thinking about things you wish you did[n't] do in middle school, then stay up all night and trudge thru the day. You will forget all about middle school.

Thinking that you can attain perfection, eternal happiness, or wealth is wishful. Delusional, if I say so myself. Thinking about the past all the time is a nightmare. Thinking about the future all the time is daydream. Staying in the present is the best of three. To be happy you need to find the right times for all of them.

I'm not trying to be a bummer here. I'm offering my POV from these (less than) couple decades I been on this planet. It may not be yours but seeing others mindsets is helpful in sculpting your own. I never finished high school. I stayed in the company of smart people, and now I am smart. It is simple. Stay in the company of trust worthy, happy people, and you will become them.

Eh, I should call myself Long Wind...

Do get what I'm saying?"

Yes you have all stated things I already had In my follow up. I can tell we'll all get along here. For better or worse.


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19 Nov 2011, 10:46 pm

I find happiness in making others happy. The opposite is also true, I get sad from making others sad. That may not be your case but most people want to hear what makes them feel good, not what is true. Even if they insist that they want the truth, they really mean that "I want to hear what makes me happy."
it will be a very sad/lonely existence for any one with a pessimistic/sadistic mind set.

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20 Nov 2011, 1:35 pm

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League Girl: I appreciate the long reply. Yes I could see how baby center is a place like that. It deals with new lives! How could you not get dramatic about such a thing? Despite all the awful parents, over population, and abortions; children are the greatest thing ever. So innocent and calm, so guilty and full of energy. We are responsible to give them comfort and a home. That is something which concerns rhetoric. What I posted was on a hip-hop text battle forum. It is a lot more black and white and prone to trolling (bad trolling, behind by a few years) though.
I do, however, agree with your views for the most part. And yes I have the ability to block things out or run away. I've been doing it for too damn long, and I need answers. Social contact, as with most of you, is not my strong suit in the least. Yet, I still have a thirst for an outside knowledge of it.



There are people there who already have kids who are older or in their teens or grown, people who are trying to conceive, people who are pregnant and some men go there too. It just amazes me how those women have time to be on that forum and fight and bicker and bully when they have a family to take care of. I just can't relate to them and I am not like them despite being a parent myself and I don't know why they can't be more logical. But I don't go there much anymore. Last time I went there to post what do they consider walking because everyone keeps saying my kid is walking when I don't think he is truly yet. So I wanted to see if others would think my kid is walking or if my husband and parents were being crazy. Some parents will say their baby took their first steps when all they did was put their feet on the flat surface and the muscle reflex happens that makes them take their steps and that isn't walking and it's not good for their feet. There are parents out there who claim their kids said their first word when it was just them making a sound. That's how crazy some parents are and I wanted to be sure my husband and mother weren't being all crazy too. No flames thank goodness and I didn't get many responses, just a few and they were all friendly.


I must say in the birth clubs where women are expecting, things are crazy there, all that drama and food porn they call it when they post pictures of sweets and then when they have their babies, things are calmer in the clubs and there is less drama. I always figure it must be the hormones and why wasn't I that hormonal? I sure didn't act like them.


But there are still some nice people there who don't do that crap and there are even no drama clubs there so I know I am not alone.



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20 Nov 2011, 5:10 pm

Okay yeah, those people sound crazy.

On my rap forum it's like "The View".

They always bring up current events (and either hate them or love them).

They s**t on other anyone else's choice of music.

They accuse each other of ghostwriting verses, and using aliases to get votes in battles.

They try to come off as big tough emotionless manly men.
But end up coming off as weak, insecure, whiny, babies...

They rarely help each other with writing in any aspect.
It's always, I liked this verse, keep it up!
Or It's I hated this verse, just stop now....

There are some talented, nice, intelligent people on there.
But most of them rarely post...

I hate overbearing mothers, and whiny babies and both our other forums are full of them. :lol:


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