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I did an OCR scan on the above image to reproduce the text in a more readable format, and corrected spelling errors only.  Here it is:

Fig. 1: Socialism explained by Capitalists

1. The aim of Socialism is to bring the lower classes into the middle class and dissolve the upper classes; what is not realized here is the existence of a centralized bureaucracy would only set up a new upper class of 'bureaucratic elites', privileging themselves with the primary hold on capital and resources as they monopolize distribution; this solution to "class warfare" defeats itself.

2. While some individuals are truly disadvantaged and in need of help, automatically labeling the poor as "in need" is a sure way to keep them so.  Not only is the welfare system flawed in acting as a "free lunch" to the unwilling, but also a trap, waiting to backfire as soon as individuals standard of living raises to a point where they no longer qualify for aid, but will not maintain a good standard of living for some time until they are independent

3. The services provided by bureaucracy are poor and make for a tax more expensive than any bill or price tag on the market; they are poor for the same reason a diabetic has more incentive to exercise than a perfectly fit individual: here's always the threat of health, metaphorically job security.  Also, they are more expensive due to added-on bureaucratic costs (paperwork, wages, etc.) and the cost for the actual services themselves, even more so for high-md service.

4. By putting the tax burden on the rich and business, one is sure to hamper industry; every cent of a profit taxed is a cent lost to being able to provide more jobs, better goods and services, and a better working facility.  This is to assume that the bureaucracy won't own and manage the workplaces, in which the threat of failure and profit loss would not factor in decision-making for the company's (worker's) best interests.

5. The fallacy in criticizing the rich as greedy, manipulative, and authoritative is that Socialism's alternative, bureaucracy, is in essence no different; the problem now is the cronies are working together instead of competing.

6. Like taxation, regulation is a hindrance to industry; instead of directly cutting into capital, it is a loss of potential gains. While they are good meaning, regulations hinder the efficiency and production capabilities of the workplace, only hurting the worker in the end.

7. Soviet Russia, China, and North Korea are/were socialist economies; next up, America...

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Authoritarian socialism, or socialism from above, is an economic and political system supporting some form of socialist economics while rejecting political liberalism. As a term, it represents a set of economic-political systems describing themselves as socialist and rejecting the liberal-democratic concepts of multi-party politics, freedom of assembly, habeas corpus and freedom of expression, either due to fear of the counter-revolution or as a means to socialist ends. Several countries, most notably the Soviet Union, China and their allies, have been described by journalists and scholars as authoritarian socialist states.

Contrasted to the anti-authoritarian, anti-statist and libertarian wing of the socialist movement, authoritarian socialism encompasses some forms of African, Arab and Latin American socialism. Although considered an authoritarian or illiberal form of state socialism, often referred to and conflated as socialism by critics and argued as a form of state capitalism by left-wing critics, those states were ideologically Marxist–Leninist and declared themselves to be workers' and peasants' or people's democracies. Academics, political commentators and other scholars tend to distinguish between authoritarian socialist and democratic socialist states, with the first representing the Soviet Bloc and the latter representing Western Bloc countries which have been democratically governed by socialist parties such as Britain, France, Sweden and Western social-democracies in general, among others.

While originating with the utopian socialism advocated by Edward Bellamy and identified by Hal Draper as a socialism from above, it has been overwhelmingly associated with the Soviet model and contrasted or compared to authoritarian capitalism. Authoritarian socialism has been criticised by the left and right both theoretically and in practice.

1936, Trotsky, The Revolution Betrayed
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The new constitution – wholly founded, as we shall see, upon an identification of the bureaucracy with the state, and the state with the people – says: “... the state property – that is, the possessions of the whole people.” This identification is the fundamental sophism of the official doctrine. It is perfectly true that Marxists, beginning with Marx himself, have employed in relation to the workers’ state the terms state, national and socialist property as simple synonyms. On a large historic scale, such a mode of speech involves no special inconveniences. But it becomes the source of crude mistakes, and of downright deceit, when applied to the first and still unassured stages of the development of a new society, and one moreover isolated and economically lagging behind the capitalist countries.
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The Soviet Union is a contradictory society halfway between capitalism and socialism, in which:
(a) the productive forces are still far from adequate to give the state property a socialist character;
(b) the tendency toward primitive accumulation created by want breaks out through innumerable pores of the planned economy;
(c) norms of distribution preserving a bourgeois character lie at the basis of a new differentiation of society;
(d) the economic growth, while slowly bettering the situation of the toilers, promotes a swift formation of privileged strata;
(e) exploiting the social antagonisms, a bureaucracy has converted itself into an uncontrolled caste alien to socialism;
(f) the social revolution, betrayed by the ruling party, still exists in property relations and in the consciousness of the toiling masses;
(g) a further development of the accumulating contradictions can as well lead to socialism as back to capitalism;
(h) on the road to capitalism the counterrevolution would have to break the resistance of the workers;
(i) on the road to socialism the workers would have to overthrow the bureaucracy. In the last analysis, the question will be decided by a struggle of living social forces, both on the national and the world arena.


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^ Crappy Photoshop skills, but :scratch: what dat?


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^ Crappy Photoshop skills, but :scratch: what dat?


Glowies, I'd assume. Federal agents.


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