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16 Jul 2015, 11:41 am

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Like every other hot topic, all the gun control debates are comprised of are studies and statistics wars. Of course there are studies and statistics to support either side. Logic is only going to support one side of this age old debate, though.
The NRA has lobbied to make sure that the CDC didn't research gun violence, so there's only going to be 3rd party studies for the near future.

http://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-nra- ... rch-2013-1



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16 Jul 2015, 11:59 am

Fugu wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Like every other hot topic, all the gun control debates are comprised of are studies and statistics wars. Of course there are studies and statistics to support either side. Logic is only going to support one side of this age old debate, though.
The NRA has lobbied to make sure that the CDC didn't research gun violence, so there's only going to be 3rd party studies for the near future.

http://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-nra- ... rch-2013-1

The NRA's opinion about this matter was best described ( http://www.nrapublications.org/index.ph ... -your-guns ) by former Colorado Assistant Attorney General Dave Kopel ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Kopel ).


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16 Jul 2015, 12:14 pm

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Fugu wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Like every other hot topic, all the gun control debates are comprised of are studies and statistics wars. Of course there are studies and statistics to support either side. Logic is only going to support one side of this age old debate, though.
The NRA has lobbied to make sure that the CDC didn't research gun violence, so there's only going to be 3rd party studies for the near future.

http://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-nra- ... rch-2013-1

The NRA's opinion about this matter was best described ( http://www.nrapublications.org/index.ph ... -your-guns ) by former Colorado Assistant Attorney General Dave Kopel ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Kopel ).
this being the same Dave Kopel that receives funding from the NRA, I can't really view his commentary as anything but bought and thusly heavily biased. also the claim is made that congress took the 2.6 million that the CDC had allocated to gun violence, but it doesn't mention how the NRA lobbied for that to happen.



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16 Jul 2015, 4:05 pm

and the people who lobby for the cdc funding, get money from anti gun groups. so what. how about the cdc stays out of non health issues and focuses on stuff like Ebola and anthrax.

there is no non biased side in this debate, people who are not on any side(unbiased completely) don't give a s**t and don't debate gun control. the fact that you do shows you're on one side and its not the pro gun side.



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16 Jul 2015, 4:13 pm

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and the people who lobby for the cdc funding, get money from anti gun groups. so what. how about the cdc stays out of non health issues and focuses on stuff like Ebola and anthrax.

there is no non biased side in this debate, people who are not on any side(unbiased completely) don't give a s**t and don't debate gun control. the fact that you do shows you're on one side and its not the pro gun side.
woah, are you saying that being shot isn't a health issue? what's your reasoning for that claim?



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16 Jul 2015, 4:19 pm

Fugu wrote:
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and the people who lobby for the cdc funding, get money from anti gun groups. so what. how about the cdc stays out of non health issues and focuses on stuff like Ebola and anthrax.

there is no non biased side in this debate, people who are not on any side(unbiased completely) don't give a s**t and don't debate gun control. the fact that you do shows you're on one side and its not the pro gun side.
woah, are you saying that being shot isn't a health issue? what's your reasoning for that claim?

This was discussed in the Kopel article. Did you not read it?


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16 Jul 2015, 4:21 pm

AspieUtah wrote:
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and the people who lobby for the cdc funding, get money from anti gun groups. so what. how about the cdc stays out of non health issues and focuses on stuff like Ebola and anthrax.

there is no non biased side in this debate, people who are not on any side(unbiased completely) don't give a s**t and don't debate gun control. the fact that you do shows you're on one side and its not the pro gun side.
woah, are you saying that being shot isn't a health issue? what's your reasoning for that claim?

This was discussed in the Kopel article. Did you not read it?
you mean the article written by someone who receives money from the NRA? no, I didn't(mostly because my workplace's firewall won't let me). does it claim that gunshot wounds aren't a health issue?



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16 Jul 2015, 11:15 pm

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Logic is only going to support one side of this age old debate, though.


Yes, and we all know which side that is :mrgreen:



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17 Jul 2015, 11:00 am

AspieUtah wrote:
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sly279 wrote:
and the people who lobby for the cdc funding, get money from anti gun groups. so what. how about the cdc stays out of non health issues and focuses on stuff like Ebola and anthrax.

there is no non biased side in this debate, people who are not on any side(unbiased completely) don't give a s**t and don't debate gun control. the fact that you do shows you're on one side and its not the pro gun side.
woah, are you saying that being shot isn't a health issue? what's your reasoning for that claim?

This was discussed in the Kopel article. Did you not read it?
There's no mention of gunshot wounds in that article. asking again what reasoning there is for claiming that being shot isn't a health issue



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17 Jul 2015, 11:04 am

Fugu wrote:
sly279 wrote:
and the people who lobby for the cdc funding, get money from anti gun groups. so what. how about the cdc stays out of non health issues and focuses on stuff like Ebola and anthrax.

there is no non biased side in this debate, people who are not on any side(unbiased completely) don't give a s**t and don't debate gun control. the fact that you do shows you're on one side and its not the pro gun side.
woah, are you saying that being shot isn't a health issue? what's your reasoning for that claim?

The treatment of a gunshot wound is a health issue. Prevention is outside the scope of medicine and best left totally avoided.


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17 Jul 2015, 11:05 am

Raptor wrote:
Fugu wrote:
sly279 wrote:
and the people who lobby for the cdc funding, get money from anti gun groups. so what. how about the cdc stays out of non health issues and focuses on stuff like Ebola and anthrax.

there is no non biased side in this debate, people who are not on any side(unbiased completely) don't give a s**t and don't debate gun control. the fact that you do shows you're on one side and its not the pro gun side.
woah, are you saying that being shot isn't a health issue? what's your reasoning for that claim?

The treatment of a gunshot wound is a health issue. Prevention is outside the scope of medicine and best left totally avoided.
why would vaccines exist if prevention wasn't within the purview of medical science.



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17 Jul 2015, 11:10 am

I don't care about studies even tho most are in our favor, the constitution is clear in its intent. We must be able to bear arms to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government, period. End of story.



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17 Jul 2015, 11:12 am

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I don't care about studies even tho most are in our favor, the constitution is clear in its intent. We must be able to bear arms to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government, period. End of story.
ah, you must be a 1 man militia then. interesting.



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17 Jul 2015, 11:15 am

Fugu wrote:
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Fugu wrote:
sly279 wrote:
and the people who lobby for the cdc funding, get money from anti gun groups. so what. how about the cdc stays out of non health issues and focuses on stuff like Ebola and anthrax.

there is no non biased side in this debate, people who are not on any side(unbiased completely) don't give a s**t and don't debate gun control. the fact that you do shows you're on one side and its not the pro gun side.
woah, are you saying that being shot isn't a health issue? what's your reasoning for that claim?

The treatment of a gunshot wound is a health issue. Prevention is outside the scope of medicine and best left totally avoided.
why would vaccines exist if prevention wasn't within the purview of medical science.


:roll: :roll:
An apples to oranges comparison.
Well, it's not like I didn't see it coming....


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17 Jul 2015, 11:17 am

BANG! BANG!



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17 Jul 2015, 11:19 am

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why would vaccines exist if prevention wasn't within the purview of medical science.
:roll: :roll:
An apples to oranges comparison.
Well, it's not like I didn't see it coming....
if you wanted to give up, you could have just said so. you claimed that prevention wasn't the business of medical science, I gave an example that refuted your claim. it's hardly apples to oranges.