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28 Jul 2021, 1:42 pm

"Unpublished preliminary findings" ranks down there with "Rumor has it".

:roll: Nothing more to see ... move along ... move along ...


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31 Jul 2021, 12:30 pm

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Amaltheia wrote:
"Are we autistics really so unbelievably awful that it's worth all this effort and money to try and fix us?"

I really wish someone would do an article on what it is about their autistic children all these parents hate so much.


I propose a new diagnosis "Autism Derangement Syndrome"


might be the same as what I call "aught-ism"

as in "aspie aught to be normal, and we will make it so."

trouble is, aspie is not big on being "made" to be "normal", and tends to meltdown in the face of such authoritarian nonsense.

I guess a key source of this nonsense is ABA?



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31 Aug 2021, 10:13 am

College takes action against British Columbia naturopath accused of producing fecal transplants in 'household lab'

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A B.C. naturopath who claims he can treat autism with fecal transplants at a clinic in Mexico has been barred from producing pills or enemas made from human feces while he's under investigation by several agencies.

The College of Naturopathic Physicians of B.C. says it has taken "extraordinary action" against Jason Klop in response to a complaint from a whistle-blowing former employee, who alleges that he manufactured these products in a "household lab" without standard procedures or quality control.

An Aug. 19 decision from the college's inquiry committee says that while the complaint is under investigation, Klop cannot manufacture, advertise or sell fecal microbiota transplants (FMT). He'll also be subject to random on-site audits to make sure he's not violating his conditions.

Previous CBC stories have revealed how Klop was charging about $15,000 US for autistic children as young as two years old to have FMT treatment at a clinic near Tijuana.

Fecal microbiota treatments take bacteria and other microbes from the poop of a healthy person and transfer them to a patient either anally or orally, with the goal of restoring a normal environment inside the gut.

Health Canada has already investigated an earlier complaint about Klop, and banned him from accepting Canadian patients at his Mexican retreats.

According to the latest decision from the college, the federal body has now opened a second investigation in response to the complaint from Klop's former employee.

Klop fought against the college's attempt to restrict his business, submitting affidavits from himself, a current employee and two clients.

In response to CBC's reporting on Klop's business last year, the B.C. Naturopathic Association, a volunteer professional organization, voted to suspend Klop's membership .


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01 Sep 2021, 6:51 am

Las Vegas man sold fake COVID treatment with disinfectant made with machine used ‘to clean pools’

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A Las Vegas man is accused of making a so-called cure for COVID-19 and other ailments with chlorine dioxide, a substance used in bleach, documents show.

Elias Beltran Suarez, 53, faces one charge of acting as a medical practitioner without a license.

According to his arrest report, police received a tip that Beltran was allegedly “manufacturing and selling a cure for COVID-19, autism and cancer” from his apartment.

The product, “Miracle Mineral Solution,” was being marketed as a “miracle cure,” but is believed to have contained unsafe levels of the chemical, which is commonly used in bleach, police said.

The FDA writes those who consume chlorine dioxide have reported severe diarrhea and vomiting.


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01 Sep 2021, 7:30 am

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Las Vegas man sold fake COVID treatment with disinfectant made with machine used ‘to clean pools’
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A Las Vegas man is accused of making a so-called cure for COVID-19 and other ailments with chlorine dioxide, a substance used in bleach, documents show.

Elias Beltran Suarez, 53, faces one charge of acting as a medical practitioner without a license.

According to his arrest report, police received a tip that Beltran was allegedly “manufacturing and selling a cure for COVID-19, autism and cancer” from his apartment.

The product, “Miracle Mineral Solution,” was being marketed as a “miracle cure,” but is believed to have contained unsafe levels of the chemical, which is commonly used in bleach, police said.

The FDA writes those who consume chlorine dioxide have reported severe diarrhea and vomiting.


Maybe he was a Trump supporter acting on his leader’s advice.

After all Trump did suggest drinking bleach to cure covid?


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23 Sep 2021, 6:06 am

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College takes action against British Columbia naturopath accused of producing fecal transplants in 'household lab'
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A B.C. naturopath who claims he can treat autism with fecal transplants at a clinic in Mexico has been barred from producing pills or enemas made from human feces while he's under investigation by several agencies.

The College of Naturopathic Physicians of B.C. says it has taken "extraordinary action" against Jason Klop in response to a complaint from a whistle-blowing former employee, who alleges that he manufactured these products in a "household lab" without standard procedures or quality control.

An Aug. 19 decision from the college's inquiry committee says that while the complaint is under investigation, Klop cannot manufacture, advertise or sell fecal microbiota transplants (FMT). He'll also be subject to random on-site audits to make sure he's not violating his conditions.

Previous CBC stories have revealed how Klop was charging about $15,000 US for autistic children as young as two years old to have FMT treatment at a clinic near Tijuana.

Fecal microbiota treatments take bacteria and other microbes from the poop of a healthy person and transfer them to a patient either anally or orally, with the goal of restoring a normal environment inside the gut.

Health Canada has already investigated an earlier complaint about Klop, and banned him from accepting Canadian patients at his Mexican retreats.

According to the latest decision from the college, the federal body has now opened a second investigation in response to the complaint from Klop's former employee.

Klop fought against the college's attempt to restrict his business, submitting affidavits from himself, a current employee and two clients.

In response to CBC's reporting on Klop's business last year, the B.C. Naturopathic Association, a volunteer professional organization, voted to suspend Klop's membership .

B.C. naturopath claims college can't stop him from selling fecal transplants to treat autistic kids
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A Fraser Valley naturopath has filed a legal action against his professional regulator, alleging it doesn't have the power to stop him from producing fecal transplants in his B.C. lab to administer to autistic children in Mexico.

Klop has filed a petition in B.C. Supreme Court asking for a judge to step in and quash the college's action. That document includes allegations that the college has overstepped its powers by setting guidelines outside its jurisdiction to regulate the practice of naturopathy.

As for the regulation of fecal transplant products, Klop argues that's the domain of Health Canada.

None of the allegations in the petition have been proven in court and the college has yet to file a response. Asked for comment, college registrar Carina Herman said the college has received the petition and will file its response "in due course."


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29 Jun 2022, 8:42 am

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ASPartOfMe wrote:
College takes action against British Columbia naturopath accused of producing fecal transplants in 'household lab'
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A B.C. naturopath who claims he can treat autism with fecal transplants at a clinic in Mexico has been barred from producing pills or enemas made from human feces while he's under investigation by several agencies.

The College of Naturopathic Physicians of B.C. says it has taken "extraordinary action" against Jason Klop in response to a complaint from a whistle-blowing former employee, who alleges that he manufactured these products in a "household lab" without standard procedures or quality control.

An Aug. 19 decision from the college's inquiry committee says that while the complaint is under investigation, Klop cannot manufacture, advertise or sell fecal microbiota transplants (FMT). He'll also be subject to random on-site audits to make sure he's not violating his conditions.

Previous CBC stories have revealed how Klop was charging about $15,000 US for autistic children as young as two years old to have FMT treatment at a clinic near Tijuana.

Fecal microbiota treatments take bacteria and other microbes from the poop of a healthy person and transfer them to a patient either anally or orally, with the goal of restoring a normal environment inside the gut.

Health Canada has already investigated an earlier complaint about Klop, and banned him from accepting Canadian patients at his Mexican retreats.

According to the latest decision from the college, the federal body has now opened a second investigation in response to the complaint from Klop's former employee.

Klop fought against the college's attempt to restrict his business, submitting affidavits from himself, a current employee and two clients.

In response to CBC's reporting on Klop's business last year, the B.C. Naturopathic Association, a volunteer professional organization, voted to suspend Klop's membership .

B.C. naturopath claims college can't stop him from selling fecal transplants to treat autistic kids
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A Fraser Valley naturopath has filed a legal action against his professional regulator, alleging it doesn't have the power to stop him from producing fecal transplants in his B.C. lab to administer to autistic children in Mexico.

Klop has filed a petition in B.C. Supreme Court asking for a judge to step in and quash the college's action. That document includes allegations that the college has overstepped its powers by setting guidelines outside its jurisdiction to regulate the practice of naturopathy.

As for the regulation of fecal transplant products, Klop argues that's the domain of Health Canada.

None of the allegations in the petition have been proven in court and the college has yet to file a response. Asked for comment, college registrar Carina Herman said the college has received the petition and will file its response "in due course."


Naturopaths 'not bound by science,' lawyer argues in B.C. hearing on fecal transplants for autism
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The lawyer for a Fraser Valley naturopath facing investigation for his business selling fecal microbiota transplants to families of autistic children argued in a B.C. courtroom Tuesday that his client isn't obligated to follow scientific evidence.

"What does it take for a naturopath to do something unbecoming in a field that is so broad and open to interpretation?" he asked the court, arguing only substantial harm to patients would meet the bar.

Gratl suggested a lack of scientific evidence for the use of fecal microbiota transplants (FMT) to treat autism isn't necessarily relevant in this case.

"In certain respects, naturopaths may rely on science, but they are not bound by science," Gratl said.

He explained that naturopathic practices can instead be based on anecdotes or historical knowledge, and later pointed out that the field includes homeopathy, "which some say involves magical thinking [and is] certainly non-scientific at its core."

Last August, the college announced it was taking "extraordinary action" to protect the public, banning Klop from producing or selling FMT products while it investigates his business, Novel Biome.

The order came in response to an April 2021 complaint from a former employee at Klop's lab, who alleged that he was producing FMT products in a basement apartment in Abbotsford using his nephews' feces, without any quality control or proper screening.

After describing the case as a "tragedy" in his opening remarks on Tuesday, Gratl described the allegations in the April 2021 complaint as "entirely unfounded and scurrilous."

He spent much of the day's hearing refuting them, and arguing they don't meet the legal bar for extraordinary action.

Although he acknowledged that Klop's three nephews were the business's only donors at the time of the complaint and clarified that the lab was in a ground-level unit of the building where the boys lived, Gratl said Klop has submitted evidence of his quality assurance processes and standard operating procedures.

Gratl also said the nephews had their blood and feces tested every three months, which he described as standard for FMT. The court heard Klop has deposed that he was confident of the quality of their feces because "they are my nephews, so I know their lifestyles."

The original complaint had also claimed that Klop's lab manager had no scientific qualifications. Gratl said the lab manager actually wrote the complaint using a pseudonym, and counter to her allegations, has 20 years of experience in the field.

He described her as a disgruntled employee who was upset about her position in the company.

Gratl also argued that the college had made several legal errors in its actions against Klop, including accusing him of conduct unbecoming for breaching non-binding Health Canada guidance documents on FMT.

He suggested the college is pursuing restrictions and investigations related to Klop because of a squeamishness about poop rather than any valid concerns about patient safety.

Lawyers for the college have yet to present their arguments.

However, court filings show that the lab manager's complaint is not the only source of concern for the college when it comes to Klop's business.

The investigation process actually began two years earlier, in 2019, when the college appointed inspectors with the private investigation firm Paladin Risk Solutions to look into allegations he was engaging in improper business relationships and violating federal drug policies.

The hearing of Klop's petitions to the court is scheduled to continue on Wednesday.


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29 Jul 2022, 10:51 am

Man accused of selling bleach as COVID cure extradited to U.S.

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A man accused of selling a toxic industrial bleach as a coronavirus cure through his Florida-based church has been returned to the United State after being arrested in Colombia.

Mark Grenon, 64, made his initial court appearance Thursday in Miami federal court following his recent extradition, according to court records. Grenon and his three adult sons were indicted last year on one count each of conspiracy to commit fraud and two counts each of criminal contempt.

Grenon is the archbishop of the Genesis II Church of Health and Healing, based in Bradenton, Florida. The church manufactured, promoted and sold chlorine dioxide as a "Miracle Mineral Solution," officials said. The Grenons claim the solution can cure a vast variety of illnesses ranging from cancer to autism to malaria to COVID-19.

A Miami federal judge had ordered the church to stop selling the substance in 2020, but the order was ignored and Grenon was arrested in Colombia several months later.

Authorities said ingesting these products is the same as drinking bleach and can be fatal.


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29 Jul 2022, 11:30 am

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The beast treatment for higher-functioning autism probably isn't medicine or odd therapy treatments; it would probably be therapeutic exercises or education to improve the mental deficits.

For example, having people watch live-action videos on youtube of social interaction, or realistic TV shows and understanding the 'logic' behind it; as well as relaxation exercises or meditation.

Likewise reading books on human psychology or sociology. I think that higher-functioning autistics and improve their ability if they understand the logic behind human interaction; the problem is that it doesn't come as naturally and a lot of them are obstinate about doing things that don't make logical sense.


Agreed 100% about things that actually make NO sense in addressing autism . But convenient for them to believe.


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Man accused of selling bleach as COVID cure extradited to U.S.
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A man accused of selling a toxic industrial bleach as a coronavirus cure through his Florida-based church has been returned to the United State after being arrested in Colombia.

Mark Grenon, 64, made his initial court appearance Thursday in Miami federal court following his recent extradition, according to court records. Grenon and his three adult sons were indicted last year on one count each of conspiracy to commit fraud and two counts each of criminal contempt.

Grenon is the archbishop of the Genesis II Church of Health and Healing, based in Bradenton, Florida. The church manufactured, promoted and sold chlorine dioxide as a "Miracle Mineral Solution," officials said. The Grenons claim the solution can cure a vast variety of illnesses ranging from cancer to autism to malaria to COVID-19.

A Miami federal judge had ordered the church to stop selling the substance in 2020, but the order was ignored and Grenon was arrested in Colombia several months later.

Authorities said ingesting these products is the same as drinking bleach and can be fatal.


What excellent news to find today. Thank you for posting it



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ASPartOfMe wrote:
Man accused of selling bleach as COVID cure extradited to U.S.
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A man accused of selling a toxic industrial bleach as a coronavirus cure through his Florida-based church has been returned to the United State after being arrested in Colombia.

Mark Grenon, 64, made his initial court appearance Thursday in Miami federal court following his recent extradition, according to court records. Grenon and his three adult sons were indicted last year on one count each of conspiracy to commit fraud and two counts each of criminal contempt.

Grenon is the archbishop of the Genesis II Church of Health and Healing, based in Bradenton, Florida. The church manufactured, promoted and sold chlorine dioxide as a "Miracle Mineral Solution," officials said. The Grenons claim the solution can cure a vast variety of illnesses ranging from cancer to autism to malaria to COVID-19.

A Miami federal judge had ordered the church to stop selling the substance in 2020, but the order was ignored and Grenon was arrested in Colombia several months later.

Authorities said ingesting these products is the same as drinking bleach and can be fatal.


What excellent news to find today. Thank you for posting it

You are welcome


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14 Aug 2022, 3:27 pm

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After all Trump did suggest drinking bleach to cure covid?



I have seen the vid in context. What he did suggest is strange, UV light and disinfectant injections used locally in the lungs, but he at least partly phrased it in the form of a question, and was clear he pictured this in a medical setting and not as a bleach party among qtarts.

Yet some MSM outfits jumped on this and said flat out Trump said drink bleach. That in itelf is closer to the 'crime' they accuse Trump of. What if a q tart hears this false report and chugs a mug of bleach?*

Trump later said he was being sarcastic - I would say sort of sarcasm, but total gaslighting. f**k Trump, dat orange debil


*I dont see this as a realistic issue to be conce