YouTube will remove videos disputing the 2020 election

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10 Dec 2020, 1:29 pm

https://news.yahoo.com/youtube-removes- ... 26251.html

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YouTube’s determination to curb election misinformation is extending to disputes over the results. The Google-owned service has started removing content uploaded from December 9th onward if it alleges that “widespread fraud or errors” altered the outcome of the 2020 US presidential election. States have certified the results, YouTube said, and December 8th was the safe harbor deadline for the election — Joe Biden is the President-elect as far as the government is concerned, and the video site is acting accordingly.

The company is matching this by updating its election fact check panels with a link to the Office of the Federal Register page confirming Biden’s win. There will still be a link to the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency’s page debunking false election integrity claims.




https://www.thewrap.com/youtube-will-no ... ter-fraud/

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YouTube announced Wednesday that it will delete any new content uploaded that repeats false claims that voter fraud or rigging impacted the 2020 election.

“Now that enough states certified their Presidential election results, we’ll remove any content published today (or anytime after) that alleges widespread fraud or errors changed the 2020 U.S. Presidential election outcome,” the Google-owned video platform’s Twitter account said.

This move is in keeping with its election goal to, it said, “connect people to authoritative info, limit harmful misinfo & remove violative content.”


Will this lead to the alternative universe dwellers fleeing to another platform? How far will they go to preserve the bubble of misinformation? Why are some people so insistent on refusing to accept the outcome?


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10 Dec 2020, 1:39 pm

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YouTube will remove videos disputing the 2020 election.
What took them so long?


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10 Dec 2020, 1:48 pm

We're up to our necks in disinformation and propaganda everyday -- especially from MSM. Forgive me if I find this laughable.


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10 Dec 2020, 1:53 pm

Now, if only they would also remove videos disputing childhood vaccines, Roe v. Wade, evolutionary science, the Warren Report, the Apollo Moon landings, the rights of women and minorities, and the legitimacy of Israeli statehood, the world would be a much better place.


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10 Dec 2020, 1:58 pm

This just proves something is off. People have a right to debate the results of an election. And when you remove videos involving those debates, you are just proving other peoples suspicions. Removing these videos is just silencing people.



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10 Dec 2020, 2:03 pm

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This just proves something is off. People have a right to debate the results of an election. And when you remove videos involving those debates, you are just proving other peoples suspicions. Removing these videos is just silencing people.


Does this oblige them to continue to host videos promoting blatant disinformation? Are they obliged to host all disinformation, or would some topics like holocaust denial be too far?


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10 Dec 2020, 2:04 pm

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This just proves something is off. People have a right to debate the results of an election. And when you remove videos involving those debates, you are just proving other peoples suspicions. Removing these videos is just silencing people.
It is more like, "We think these videos are trash, and we are getting rid of them."  Besides, YouTube is neither a governmental agency nor is it controlled by Congress, so violation of anyone's First Amendment rights is not at issue.  Also, if people want to "debate" the results of the election with false data and spurious reasoning, they can always take it to Parler.


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10 Dec 2020, 2:05 pm

Yes. In the 90s the Net was hailed as the coming "the Information Superhighway", but its proven to also be the "misinformation superhighway". Probably more that.

The only solution is for each privately owned platform, like UTube, or Twitter, to police its own content.

It would be nice if things could be totally free. Let the crackpots do their thing, so we can enjoy the freak show, and let truth win out. But we're not only drowning in crackpottery but crackpottery can be dangerous in some situations.



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10 Dec 2020, 2:06 pm

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StayFrosty wrote:
This just proves something is off. People have a right to debate the results of an election. And when you remove videos involving those debates, you are just proving other peoples suspicions. Removing these videos is just silencing people.
It is more like, "We think these videos are trash, and we are getting rid of them."  Besides, YouTube is neither a governmental agency nor is it controlled by Congress, so violation of anyone's First Amendment rights is not at issue.  Also, if people want to "debate" the results of the election, they can always take it to Parler.


So when will the extreme right complete their project of disconnecting from anything that questions their alternative reality? :nerdy:


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10 Dec 2020, 2:09 pm

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Fnord wrote:
StayFrosty wrote:
This just proves something is off. People have a right to debate the results of an election. And when you remove videos involving those debates, you are just proving other peoples suspicions. Removing these videos is just silencing people.
It is more like, "We think these videos are trash, and we are getting rid of them."  Besides, YouTube is neither a governmental agency nor is it controlled by Congress, so violation of anyone's First Amendment rights is not at issue.  Also, if people want to "debate" the results of the election, they can always take it to Parler.
So when will the extreme right complete their project of disconnecting from anything that questions their alternative reality?
When we stop hearing their whiny little voices crying, "It isn't fair!"


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10 Dec 2020, 2:33 pm

Honestly don't think youtube should be doing this. Not that I want videos on youtube disputing the election, but I think having social media companies policing misinformation is a generally bad idea.

As others have pointed out there is no first amendment violation since youtube is not a government entity. But freedom of speech isn't just a constitutional right, it's a cultural value. I don't want social media companies policing speech on their platforms even though *they have the right.* Do you honestly trust companies like Facebook and Youtube to decide what is "correct information" v. "misinformation."


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10 Dec 2020, 2:39 pm

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Honestly don't think youtube should be doing this. Not that I want videos on youtube disputing the election, but I think having social media companies policing misinformation is a generally bad idea.


Didn't social media's failure to respond contribute to the growth of the Q-Anon conspiracies? Don't they have an obligation to not have their platforms used to spread disinformation?


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10 Dec 2020, 2:40 pm

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StayFrosty wrote:
This just proves something is off. People have a right to debate the results of an election. And when you remove videos involving those debates, you are just proving other peoples suspicions. Removing these videos is just silencing people.


Does this oblige them to continue to host videos promoting blatant disinformation? Are they obliged to host all disinformation, or would some topics like holocaust denial be too far?
Comparing the Holocaust with the Election is like comparing apples and oranges, my friend. The Holocaust meant People were targeted and marked for extermination for being different.
Questioning the Election is far different. In regard to Covid-19, Let's not forget you have several Governors and politicians caught red handed not following their own rules for the virus. Pelosi was caught red handed walking into a Hair salon without a mask. Newsom was caught at a party while everyone else is expected to social distance. We live in a society that mentally beats us to think a certain way, And anyone who doesn't, gets silenced. The mis-information in regard to the election is subjective, Because how do you YOU know your information hasn't been altered for a certain goal and or objective? Believe what you want, That is your right. But don't sit here and call the Republicans mis-informed when you have been played by the other side of the same coin. I don't care for either party, to be fair. We're all being played.



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10 Dec 2020, 2:46 pm

Fnord wrote:
StayFrosty wrote:
This just proves something is off. People have a right to debate the results of an election. And when you remove videos involving those debates, you are just proving other peoples suspicions. Removing these videos is just silencing people.
It is more like, "We think these videos are trash, and we are getting rid of them."
Youtube is a website for public use. You're going to find some gold, and you're going to find a bunch of trash. The same can be said for the internet as a whole.



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10 Dec 2020, 2:47 pm

StayFrosty wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
StayFrosty wrote:
This just proves something is off. People have a right to debate the results of an election. And when you remove videos involving those debates, you are just proving other peoples suspicions. Removing these videos is just silencing people.


Does this oblige them to continue to host videos promoting blatant disinformation? Are they obliged to host all disinformation, or would some topics like holocaust denial be too far?
Comparing the Holocaust with the Election is like comparing apples and oranges, my friend. The Holocaust meant People were targeted and marked for extermination for being different.
Questioning the Election is far different.
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The mis-information in regard to the election is subjective, Because how do you YOU know your information hasn't been altered for a certain goal and or objective? Believe what you want, That is your right. But don't sit here and call the Republicans mis-informed when you have been played by the other side of the same coin. I don't care for either party, to be fair. We're all being played.


Who mentioned COVID? That's not the topic and I'd prefer if you didn't hijack. There's several other threads where that's the topic, but this isn't one of them.

Folks who peddle the QAnon nonsense believe they're raising a valid case too, but loudly insisting you have a valid case isn't the same as having one. No one is preventing the StopTheSteal conspiracy theorists from believing what they want, they're only being denied access to a specific platform they're using to peddle harmful disinformation. YouTube doesn't owe them a platform to spread lies on.


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10 Dec 2020, 2:51 pm

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Antrax wrote:
Honestly don't think youtube should be doing this. Not that I want videos on youtube disputing the election, but I think having social media companies policing misinformation is a generally bad idea.


Didn't social media's failure to respond contribute to the growth of the Q-Anon conspiracies? Don't they have an obligation to not have their platforms used to spread disinformation?


Does Verizon have an obligation that misinformation isn't spread over their phone lines? Does the U.S. postal service has an obligation that misinformation isn't mailed out? In the USPS' case they are a government entity and couldn't censor mail even if they wanted.

Bottom line is I don't trust Facebook, Youtube et. al to be arbiters of truth. You honestly want Mark Zuckerberg deciding what is and isn't factual information?


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