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05 May 2021, 11:21 am

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-ban-conservatives-facebook-break-up-big-tech
I'm not sure how to feel about this. I think it's wrong to silence someone just because you don't agree with their opinions, political beliefs, etc.

But on the other hand, I don't think it is the proper role of government to regulate businesses. Facebook, Twitter, et al are businesses before all else. They were created by private individuals, they are run by private individuals. It is therefore the business of their creators what can/can't happen on those platforms, what political views or other views are welcome or not. Facebook and other social media ARE NOT DEMOCRACIES, they are not governments, and they have no obligation to protect free speech. If they are indeed acting inconsistent and hypocritical, that's their problem, nobody else's.

It's also bad for the economy to break up Facebook. If you indulge in making poor business decisions and there are competing companies that offer better service/superior products, you go bankrupt and better people get your customers and clients. If the government steps in, breaks up your company, and forces everyone to compete, the natural progression of talented people (administrators, programmers, etc.), users, and customers/clientele to other, better providers is slowed or halted, the failing company that gets broken up is saved, and NEW, better technologies/services fail to be developed.

Breaking up Facebook is better than what they deserve. I often do support Republican policies, but THIS IS NOT THE WAY.



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05 May 2021, 11:32 am

AngelRho wrote:
[...] I think it's wrong to silence someone just because you don't agree with their opinions, political beliefs, etc. [...]
In this case, it is not a matter of agreement or disagreement.  It is instead a matter of banning a person who has clearly demonstrated his intent to spread libelous and slanderous lies against those people who cite the truth against him.


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05 May 2021, 11:51 am

This goes beyond cancel culture, it is the government limiting free speech.

As far as Trump goes while all the ban's staggered him because he was addicted to twitter etc, but he is starting his own blog and has the money or can raise enough to start his own social media. Barring death/health imprisonment the man is likely to be the 2024 Republican nominee. The Republicans are about to cancel Liz Cheney demonstrating the Republicans are still his cult.


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05 May 2021, 12:11 pm

Trump's new social media outlet is nothing more than a blog on his own website next to a link to donate money to support his lifestyle of lies and deception; nothing more.


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05 May 2021, 12:25 pm



The Former Leader of the Republican
Senate Who is Still the Minority Leader
Admitted That Trump is Practically

Responsible For Inciting

A Deadly Insurrection

To Circumvent

Democracy

And Even Though

'They' Are Now Still Kissing

His Butt Doing Their Best to

Even Gaslight the Reality

of Truth In What They've

Already

Admitted

Is the Real Danger

Of Trump to This Democracy,

May Truth Rise to the Occasion

Continually And Keep Trump In

His Purgatory Away From Social

Media For Profit, Until His Dying

Day; After That At Least 'He'll' Be Dead;

Before That Looking More Likely Wearing

A Matching Orange Jumpsuit if the Justice Part

of Liberty Comes True For Him too in Prison For

The Rest of His Life, With Perhaps Still The Ability

To Write A Letter On HiS Own Like Even 'Jesus' Might

Have Been Able to Do Without A 'Ghost Author' Doing the Job for Him too....

Villains Are Leaders Without Empathy For The Followers They Lead On 'Fifth Avenue'

Making it No Secret From the Very Beginning, 'They' Could Get Away Shooting Someone

On The Street, Including Modeling Non-Masking Behavior During A Deadly Pandemic

As A Political Wedge Tool That Actually As His Own Health Specialists Under His

Administration Admit, Might Have Otherwise Saved Hundreds of Thousands of Lives,

Where Sadly His Own Followers, Became Ignorant Fools, Buying 'The Evil IT Circus Act' in the Gutters of Fifth Avenue;

And On Top of that The So-Called Christians Responsible For His Election All Around The Country Supporting

The Man In the Name of 'Jesus Saves' And 'Jesus 2020' Flying on Banners By A Gallows Constructed to

Hang in Murdering the Vice President At the Incited Insurrection Deadly At the Capital of This

Country; 'He'

Who Held

No Secrets

That He Would

Shoot Someone

On 5th Avenue;

And Indeed Christians

And the Majority of Republicans

Same '70 Percent Now' Will And Do Still Believe A Biggest

Lie of the Century That Trump is Not a 'Father oF ALL Lies'

For Real; Oh Lord, If Christians Had Any Sense They Would Admit

They Bring Their Own 'Revelation', Self-fulfilling Real; It's What Happens

When A Group of Folks Chant A Creed Like the Nicene one Long Enough

Coming Returning in Glory to Judge The Living Dead Now, 'The Audience', is 'the Jury' Convicted...

As Just Like in 'Olden Days'

The Leader who is Determined

In Ape Societies to Have

No Empathy

In Taking

Care of His

Followers He Serves Is 'Torn

to Pieces' And Excluded from 'Social Media' too...

No Different Than Sheep Priests and Bishops And Etcetera
'Minions' Transformed into Goats Roasted in their Lies on Social Media too...

It's True We Will All Be Better

Loving Forgiving Than the

Old God And Jesus

in the Old New

Testament And

Old One too; We Can't

Burn Trump Forever; Hehe,

All We Can Do Now Until the Scales

Of Justice Catch Up with Him, Is the

Private Corporations, Same ones that

Required Masks in A Deadly Pandemic

When the Bishops, Priests, Etcetera, Yes

'Churches' Did Not to Save the Sanctity of Breathing Life

Same, So Ironic When Mammon Saves More Lives Than 'The Collar'

Yet It's true it Just Goes to Show Who 'The Anti-Christ' Real is Hint: 'The Church'...

As The Church

Is the one

Most

Responsible

For Revealing

All of 'The Big Lie' Now

So Ironic How Large Falls Small...

For It's True, if Not Small, Naked And Real LoVE iN Truth, No Need For Lies

If All God LoVE iN LiGHT of Truth; No Needs For Organized Clothed Deceit...

And True Dude; Yes, Got 'Rich Relatives Close' Who Believe the Same As

You Do;

i Still Love

Them Just

The Same;

Yet
It's

Presently

So Easy For
me at Least

To 'See' the Extent of Their 'Poverty'
If Not For 'The Poverty', Not Likely

They Would Still Support 'Pennywise';

'He's Gone For At Least the Next 27 Years';

Until Someone Else Takes His 'Evil Clown' Place;

It's Only A Matter of 'Someone Else' Telling 'The Story'...

Anyway When The Corporations Become Saviors of Love

What An 'Oliver Twist Story' That/This Is 'Fitting For A Bible'...

Listening to 'Your Philosophies', It Seems You Will Be Backing Up 'The Businesses'...

In this Case Great As Truly It is Their Constitutional Right to Turn Away Customers Like Trump Still Now;

It Seems to
Me You
Usually
Go
With
Whatever
A 'Crowd
Source' Says...
That's Pretty 'Normal'
At Your Age, i Suspect
You May Evolve Differently
in One Life; Lots of Folks Do,
Hopefully in More Interdependent Light...



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05 May 2021, 12:35 pm

They probably put it to a vote, after all it is their platform they can do what they want with it.


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05 May 2021, 12:38 pm

Fnord wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
[...] I think it's wrong to silence someone just because you don't agree with their opinions, political beliefs, etc. [...]
In this case, it is not a matter of agreement or disagreement.  It is instead a matter of banning a person who has clearly demonstrated his intent to spread libelous and slanderous lies against those people who cite the truth against him.

I think that's a matter of debate. But regardless, Facebook CAN censor whoever they want for any reason or no reason at all. That is their right. Using anti-trust laws AT ALL is immoral in my view, and if Facebook wants to take a path that is doomed to failure, let them.

Ok, that last bit was meant as tongue-in-cheek. But I am serious that allowing them to do as they will is the moral high ground...not because Facebook is right about which views they respect, but because Facebook HAS the right to respect what views they will, right or wrong. The moral high ground is to leave them to it. If, indeed, FB's actions are self-destructive, let them implode. Don't stand in their way. Republicans view this as a political censorship issue, which I believe to be correct, but that's irrelevant. It's also unreasonable. Exactly, pray tell, do they honestly think breaking up the company is going to decrease censorship? If the respective new owners of Facebook hold the same views on politics, would they not just keep censorship up? How does breaking up Facebook make ANY sense?

Look, if someone wanted to start up a company to compete with, say, Amazon for web hosting and open that up to conservative voices, it could be quite a lucrative venture. The only suggestion I'd have is keep everything operating underground rather than out in the open. Gab.ai, for example, learned the hard way that they had to maintain control over the hardware side of their service. Dependence on AWES shut down a big social media player recently.



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05 May 2021, 12:43 pm

Lunella wrote:
They probably put it to a vote, after all it is their platform they can do what they want with it.

Exactly.

Personally...I see this as a good play to overturn Sherman. If the Republicans have any actual teeth in breaking up Facebook, one of two things might happen: 1. Republicans succeed in getting Facebook Sherman Acted, Democrats lose a reliable tool for political censorship, Democrats move to eliminate Sherman so this never happens again and they can censor whoever they want; or 2. Republicans fail, which sets a precedent for large businesses to do what they want without fear of government interference. Either way is a big win for business. I think that's really what Republicans are going for. Either Sherman Act goes away or it becomes unenforceable. I rather like it.



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05 May 2021, 12:52 pm

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This goes beyond cancel culture, it is the government limiting free speech.

As far as Trump goes while all the ban's staggered him because he was addicted to twitter etc, but he is starting his own blog and has the money or can raise enough to start his own social media. Barring death/health imprisonment the man is likely to be the 2024 Republican nominee. The Republicans are about to cancel Liz Cheney demonstrating the Republicans are still his cult.


Facebook/Twitter/ et. al. are private entities, not government programs.


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05 May 2021, 2:21 pm

Well, I can't stand Trump.

But I can't stand Facebook, either.

It's a bit like watching a football game... and wanting both teams to lose.



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05 May 2021, 2:22 pm

GGPViper wrote:
Well, I can't stand Trump.

But I can't stand Facebook, either.

It's a bit like watching a football game... and wanting both teams to lose.

I'm feeling the same way :lol:
Let them fight and destroy each other in the process :P


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05 May 2021, 3:35 pm

Did he repeatedly violate the terms of service? Why would that guy expect to be entitled to protections that others are not? b&


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05 May 2021, 3:42 pm

AngelRho wrote:
Fnord wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
[...] I think it's wrong to silence someone just because you don't agree with their opinions, political beliefs, etc. [...]
In this case, it is not a matter of agreement or disagreement.  It is instead a matter of banning a person who has clearly demonstrated his intent to spread libelous and slanderous lies against those people who cite the truth against him.
I think that's a matter of debate. [...]
I think you are wrong.  Follow the "Lest We Forget" link below, download the PDF, read it, and you will see I am correct.


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05 May 2021, 3:54 pm

The only thing I can say for this is Awww poor Trump in the most sarcastic way humanly possible. :twisted:


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05 May 2021, 3:55 pm

Fnord wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Fnord wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
[...] I think it's wrong to silence someone just because you don't agree with their opinions, political beliefs, etc. [...]
In this case, it is not a matter of agreement or disagreement.  It is instead a matter of banning a person who has clearly demonstrated his intent to spread libelous and slanderous lies against those people who cite the truth against him.
I think that's a matter of debate. [...]
I think you are wrong.  Follow the "Lest We Forget" link below, download the PDF, read it, and you will see I am correct.

I don’t automatically, unthinkingly accept what others SAY as fact, not even if that person is someone I support. Sorry. Regardless...Facebook has as much right to control speech on their website or app as Trump has to SAY whatever he likes. If Facebook gets Sherman Acted, I’ll call it karma. If they don’t, I call it a win for achievers.



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The only thing I can say for this is Awww poor Trump in the most sarcastic way humanly possible. :twisted:

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