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28 May 2021, 11:09 am

Antero Hall Cancels Music Festival Following Accusations of Bands' Nazi Ties

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A Denver venue has canceled a November 15 and 16 music festival organized by Metal DP, a Colorado-based independent music promoter that has booked bands that use neo-Nazi iconography, revel in the Holocaust and affiliate with labels that have been blasted for fascist and white supremacist ties.

On Monday night, venue owner Ken Morris — who has spent this year trying to save the Lakewood bar and club most recently called the Silver Spur Saloon — came across a string of bad reviews online of his venue, which he's renamed Antero Hall at Eck's Saloon. However, they weren't run-of-the-mill "the joint's dirty, the sound's bad and the staff's unfriendly" jabs. Reviewers accused the venue of being a hub for Nazis and fascists.

Morris says he was taken aback. He claims he lost friends after he hung a sign, not long after reopening the venue, asking patrons who encounter racism, sexism, homophobia or harassment to notify staff immediately.

On Tuesday morning he spoke with one of his critics, who pointed to Colorado Springs Antifa's documentation of the fascist ties of the bands Metal DP had booked for the festival, which was dubbed Divinus Principium and would have hosted a roster of black-metal groups.

When Colorado Springs Antifa caught wind of the show, the activists dug into the bands' histories and documented how the groups affiliated with fascist, neo-Nazi, anti-Semitic and racist ideas, symbols and causes.

There was the headliner Deiphago, which describes itself as "arguably the most violent band on the planet" and issued a record with the band Necroholocaust called Gods of Holocaust. The Philippines-based group had already been taken off the lineup by Metal DP after the U.S. government declined to allow its members into the country. The other headliner, Obeisance, also released an album with Necroholocaust, called Bringers of Black Genocide, that had Nazi soldiers on its cover.

Activists encouraged others to blast Antero Hall with negative reviews until the owner canceled the show. Morris ultimately conceded — partially because he hadn't secured a liquor license from the city, so he couldn't sell alcohol, and also because he didn't want the debate to continue over his bar.

This was not the first time Morris had worked with Metal DP or the first time he canceled one of the promoter's concerts. When Metal DP attempted to bring the band Horna, whose members have ties to National Socialist Black Metal, Morris booked but later ditched the group over its alleged fascist affiliations. The band was also slated to perform at the hi-dive, which also canceled.

After Morris canceled the show, activists removed the negative reviews and promised to write positive ones. But Morris says he only wants sincere reviews, whether they're positive or negative.

He says he'll never work with Metal DP again.

"Both sides are idiots for different reasons. I'd rather not play with either of them," he says of Metal DP and Antifa, adding, "I got caught in the crossfires of something I didn't know was brewing."


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28 May 2021, 11:32 am

I have no problem with NSBM bands struggling to find places to play. Most black metal isn't NSBM, but NSBM is a genre that's fixated on ethno-nationalism and the concept of race war.


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28 May 2021, 11:40 am

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I have no problem with NSBM bands struggling to find places to play. Most black metal isn't NSBM, but NSBM is a genre that's fixated on ethno-nationalism and the concept of race war.
Like ... gangsta-rap, perhaps?


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28 May 2021, 11:43 am

Bit dubious about his claims to "not know what he was getting into," when the promoter had already hooked him up with a neo-Nazi band before and when his headliners had been refused entry to the country. And when 2 seconds of googling your acts would reveal that they were all bunch of pro-genocide wingnuts.

Also, "Antifa" opposing actual literal fascists? Who'da thunkit?


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28 May 2021, 11:44 am

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I have no problem with NSBM bands struggling to find places to play. Most black metal isn't NSBM, but NSBM is a genre that's fixated on ethno-nationalism and the concept of race war.
Like ... gangsta-rap, perhaps?


No, I haven't heard any gangsta rap that fixates on ethno-nationalism or race war. :?


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28 May 2021, 1:25 pm

Does sound there were some legit nazi ties with those bands, so it's certainly good the show got cancelled.

Though that said not sure the right approach was to just give a slew of negative reviews like that especially if the venue owner didn't realize there were bands with nazi ties. So yeah perhaps a more reasonable approach could have been used. Like they could have maybe just talked to the guy about it and he would have cancelled the show. At least they removed the angry negative reviews though.


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28 May 2021, 1:37 pm

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Also, "Antifa" opposing actual literal fascists? Who'da thunkit?


all they did was bum out a few hillabilly metal fans, and are still useless as tits on a boar.

The bands probably got free advertising out of to make up for these lost shows.



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28 May 2021, 2:23 pm

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Also, "Antifa" opposing actual literal fascists? Who'da thunkit?


all they did was bum out a few hillabilly metal fans, and are still useless as tits on a boar.

The bands probably got free advertising out of to make up for these lost shows.


Most metal fans who are also Nazis would have already known about these bands. Most Nazis who aren't metal fans wouldn't likely become fans because some lo-fi metal band has agreeable lyrics, most metal fans who aren't Nazis wouldn't suddenly embrace bands like this because very few NSBM bands bring anything new to the table that some band that aren't Nazis haven't already done better.

All it did was demonstrate that Nazis aren't welcome in that community.


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28 May 2021, 9:53 pm

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Most metal fans who are also Nazis would have already known about these bands. Most Nazis who aren't metal fans wouldn't likely become fans because some lo-fi metal band has agreeable lyrics, most metal fans who aren't Nazis wouldn't suddenly embrace bands like this because very few NSBM bands bring anything new to the table that some band that aren't Nazis haven't already done better.

All it did was demonstrate that Nazis aren't welcome in that community.


I disagree. As a metal fan I am somewhat disturbed at the lack of concern about following bands that have sympathies with nazism (there's a quite a few in the metal scene). The metal community has a lot of supporters who embrace subversive lyrics and musical genre of Nazi bands but who don't necessarily buy into the jackboot philosophy of race. There is a general feeling in the metal community to seperate the art from the artist. Cancelling bands is against the general ethos of metal.

The proof of the pudding is the huge support right wing bands have in non-European countries in Asia, Mexico or South America, Skinhead music is really popular in Malaysia when I was there in the 1990s and being a skinhead and the "Oi" culture was really popular among urban Malays. Nothing weirder than seeing young Malay boys imitating British skinheads.

The point is Nazis aren't themselves welcome but I accept their music is popular among metalheads. Nothing can be done because you can't tell metalheads what they can and can't listen to.

But we metalheads have a way of being creative and doing a big "up yours" to the Nazis


We can embrace the "Oi" culture without catching the disease if you know what I mean :wink:



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28 May 2021, 10:04 pm

Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
I have no problem with NSBM bands struggling to find places to play. Most black metal isn't NSBM, but NSBM is a genre that's fixated on ethno-nationalism and the concept of race war.
Like ... gangsta-rap, perhaps?


Hip-hop and rap is about artistic expression.



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28 May 2021, 10:06 pm

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I disagree. As a metal fan I am somewhat disturbed at the lack of concern about following bands that have sympathies with nazism (there's a quite a few in the metal scene). The metal community has a lot of supporters who embrace subversive lyrics and musical genre of Nazi bands but who don't necessarily buy into the jackboot culture. There is a general feeling in the metal community to seperate the art from the artist. Cancelling bands is against the general ethos of metal.

The proof of the pudding is the huge support right wing bands have in non-European countries in Asia, Mexico or South America, Skinhead music is really popular in Malaysia when I was there in the 1990s and being a skinhead and the "Oi" culture was really popular among urban Malays. Nothing weirder than seeing young Malay boys imitating British skinheads.

The point is Nazis aren't themselves welcome but I accept their music is popular among metalheads. Nothing can be done because you can't tell metalheads what they can and can't listen to.
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We can embrace the "Oi" culture without catching the disease if you know what I mean :wink:


I'm aware there's been Nazi metalheads for along time, but I don't think so many of them separate out the art from the artist as you say, I believe a bigger portion of them actually do buy into those ideals and just stay fiercely opposed to getting called out on it.

Unrelated to that, I wouldn't assume oi fans are racist, just like I wouldn't assume black metal fans are. Skinhead culture isn't rooted in racism even if a portion of skinheads are racist and have tried to appropriate the entire culture for their own purposes. SHARPs are skins too.

There's definitely a portion of metal fans who take a morally nihilistic approach to everything and really don't care what a band is about, but I'd be very curious how many of those people actually embrace Nazi metal compared to people who do buy into the values and just won't admit to it. Most of the people who I've met who listen to RABM are lefties who do hold those views for the most part, why would NSBM be any different? I wouldn't claim I've spoken to enough fans of it to be representative, but in my experience I've never met a NSBM fan who wasn't also racist.


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29 May 2021, 12:17 am

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I disagree. As a metal fan I am somewhat disturbed at the lack of concern about following bands that have sympathies with nazism (there's a quite a few in the metal scene). The metal community has a lot of supporters who embrace subversive lyrics and musical genre of Nazi bands but who don't necessarily buy into the jackboot culture. There is a general feeling in the metal community to seperate the art from the artist. Cancelling bands is against the general ethos of metal.

The proof of the pudding is the huge support right wing bands have in non-European countries in Asia, Mexico or South America, Skinhead music is really popular in Malaysia when I was there in the 1990s and being a skinhead and the "Oi" culture was really popular among urban Malays. Nothing weirder than seeing young Malay boys imitating British skinheads.

The point is Nazis aren't themselves welcome but I accept their music is popular among metalheads. Nothing can be done because you can't tell metalheads what they can and can't listen to.
...

We can embrace the "Oi" culture without catching the disease if you know what I mean :wink:


I'm aware there's been Nazi metalheads for along time, but I don't think so many of them separate out the art from the artist as you say, I believe a bigger portion of them actually do buy into those ideals and just stay fiercely opposed to getting called out on it.

Unrelated to that, I wouldn't assume oi fans are racist, just like I wouldn't assume black metal fans are. Skinhead culture isn't rooted in racism even if a portion of skinheads are racist and have tried to appropriate the entire culture for their own purposes. SHARPs are skins too.

There's definitely a portion of metal fans who take a morally nihilistic approach to everything and really don't care what a band is about, but I'd be very curious how many of those people actually embrace Nazi metal compared to people who do buy into the values and just won't admit to it. Most of the people who I've met who listen to RABM are lefties who do hold those views for the most part, why would NSBM be any different? I wouldn't claim I've spoken to enough fans of it to be representative, but in my experience I've never met a NSBM fan who wasn't also racist.


Yep I have a coffee table book on the history of skins and the culture of Doc Martens. You and I might be aware of the roots but not the average 15 yr old teen. Skinhead culture was (at the beginning in the early 60s) was a marriage between Jamaican rude-boy culture bought in from the Caribbean and British urban culture, Nearly all British punk and Oi bands have their roots in this fusion. Unfortunately that includes NSBM music,

Yep it's the moral nihilism (you hit the nail on the head) that makes metal-heads listen to NSBM music and I also haven't interviewed everybody who listens to this genre but its popularity (including NSBM bands) in Indonesia and Malaysia suggest that not all NSMB fans are white supremacists. That's why I said the subversive nature of metal makes it (rightly or wrongly) a broad church (some irony there in the metaphor).

BTW what do you think of "Negro Terror:" reclaiming the famous racist anthem "The voice of Britain" by Screwdriver. I think it's damn cool. It's funny how the original Screwdriver lead singer John "Grinny" Grinton moved from being conventional heavy metal to normalising white power. As Dave Chapelle famously said "this s**t is flimsy".



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29 May 2021, 12:30 am

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BTW what do you think of "Negro Terror:" reclaiming the famous racist anthem "The voice of Britain" by Screwdriver. I think it's damn cool. It's funny how the original Screwdriver lead singer John "Grinny" Grinton moved from being conventional heavy metal to normalising white power. As Dave Chapelle famously said "this s**t is flimsy".


I think I listened to two Skewdriver songs once each in high school, neither were The Voice of Britain so I didn't get the joke there. I was just bummed I only heard Negro Terror after Omar passed away.

As for NSBM fans outside of the west, they tend to be fascists even if white nationalist politics aren't locally applicable.


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29 May 2021, 12:52 am

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I think I listened to two Skewdriver songs once each in high school, neither were The Voice of Britain so I didn't get the joke there. I was just bummed I only heard Negro Terror after Omar passed away.

IKR! It sucks as I only discovered Negro Terror after Omar Higgins passed away. RIP
I would pay/donate money to support up and coming African-American metal bands. The only other one I can think of is Living Colour who were awsome but they would be in a retirement home by now.

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As for NSBM fans outside of the west, they tend to be fascists even if white nationalist politics aren't locally applicable.


I don't think so FE, I moved in their circles when I lived in Kuala Lumpur and they were just "James Dean" type characters (rebels without a cause). I did point out their music is skinhead and they shrugged their shoulders. They didn't care,



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I don't think so FE, I moved in their circles when I lived in Kuala Lumpur and they were just "James Dean" type characters (rebels without a cause). I did point out their music is skinhead and they shrugged their shoulders. They didn't care,


Were they skinheads or were they black metal fans? NSBM is National Socialist Black Metal and at least from what I've seen it's as tied to it's politics as crust punk and RABM (Red/Anarchist Black Metal) are to theirs. Black metal bands get lots of leeway for discussing all the same subject matter that comes up in NSBM without being identified by that term, so when bands explicitly choose to identify by that term it's usually because they know that's their audience and they don't want people who aren't part of those circles to hear it.

Oh, Body Count are still around.


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29 May 2021, 2:02 am

How do they know it was Antifa if they didn't set the bar on fire???

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On Monday night, venue owner Ken Morris — who has spent this year trying to save the Lakewood bar and club most recently called the Silver Spur Saloon — came across a string of bad reviews online of his venue, which he's renamed Antero Hall at Eck's Saloon. However, they weren't run-of-the-mill "the joint's dirty, the sound's bad and the staff's unfriendly" jabs. Reviewers accused the venue of being a hub for Nazis and fascists.

This reminds me of a story I read from Twitter a while back:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1280 ... 43873.html

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...useless as tits on a boar.

Do baby boar not drink milk?

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I would pay/donate money to support up and coming African-American metal bands. The only other one I can think of is Living Colour who were awsome but they would be in a retirement home by now.

The first Body Count album is essential 8)
I don't know how their new stuff is, I thought their second and third albums weren't as good as the first...the first one had a lot of humor, but after that they took it a lot more seriously, and the music was a lot less thrashy.

Actually, Living Colour's last album came out in 2017, and they're working on another one.
Their lead vocalist Corey Glover just put out an album last year.


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