Racial Bias and Support For Foreign Conflict

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17 Jun 2021, 4:31 am

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The fact that the researchers who carried out this study only wanted to examine the attitudes of white people towards America’s military interventions strongly suggests the researchers had an agenda and started with a conclusion they set out to prove.

If (if) white Americans are more likely to support wars in non-white foreign countries than in white foreign countries, that would just be normal and natural. It’s a bit like how China criticizes countries like Australia for their “racism” while staying silent on Burma’s treatment of the Rogingas. Or like how blacks in the US will riot over George Floyd but not over Daniel Shaver or Kelly Thomas.

However, if the attitudes of “racially resentful whites” among the general US population really do influence their support for American military interventions abroad, these attitudes clearly have about as much influence on the US establishment’s actual foreign policy as they do on the US establishment’s domestic policy, i.e., zero (regarding the latter: witness the continuation of mass immigration and the spread of critical race theory). I mean, consider this…

1. One of the US’s most significant foreign interventions in the last thirty years was against Serbia. The US’s two most significant foreign interventions of the last 125 were against Germany (and her allies). In the 1980s the US came close to nuclear war with the Soviet Union

2. These days when the US administration want to intervene in a foreign country, they usually manufacture some humanitarian argument for it. Even with respect to quarrels with China, the US establishment usually take pains to distinguish the Chinese government from the Chinese people, and criticize said government for their “lack of democracy” and “persecution of minorities”. No talk about the yellow peril anymore: this isn’t the 1920s.

3. Most of America’s interventions in the Middle East are AIPAC-inspired interventions for the benefit of Israel, and nothing to do with Joe Sixpack’s views on brown people, but I doubt these researchers will start talking about this anytime soon.

Which just makes me question even further what the point of this study really was.



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17 Jun 2021, 6:06 am

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I don't see hardly any people who voted for Biden breaking a sweat to steer him left, or protest his bombing of Syria. At least not on this site.

Forget about reforming either of the two major parties, it ain't gonna happen. I've been watching this s**t show for 40 years. It only gets worse with each passing decade.

So then, what, in your opinion, should we do?


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17 Jun 2021, 8:54 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
I don't see hardly any people who voted for Biden breaking a sweat to steer him left, or protest his bombing of Syria. At least not on this site.

Forget about reforming either of the two major parties, it ain't gonna happen. I've been watching this s**t show for 40 years. It only gets worse with each passing decade.

So then, what, in your opinion, should we do?


We have to build viable third parties that can challenge the political establishment.



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19 Jun 2021, 4:00 pm

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We have to build viable third parties that can challenge the political establishment.

Unfortunately, given how the American political system works, third parties don't really do much other than take votes away from whichever major party would otherwise be the lesser evil.

So, instead of trying to build a third party, I think what's necessary is to build a sufficiently large and well-organized mass movement that can put sufficient pressure on at least one of the parties.

Unfortunately, building such a mass movement around foreign policy issues will be extremely difficult. Most Americans care much more about domestic issues than about foreign policy.


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19 Jun 2021, 4:29 pm

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3. Most of America’s interventions in the Middle East are AIPAC-inspired interventions for the benefit of Israel, and nothing to do with Joe Sixpack’s views on brown people, but I doubt these researchers will start talking about this anytime soon.

Which just makes me question even further what the point of this study really was.

Agreed.

Americans don't get to decide on foreign conflicts.

A handful of people at the top make a decision, and sometimes we learn of it, and sometimes we don't.


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19 Jun 2021, 8:50 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
I don't see hardly any people who voted for Biden breaking a sweat to steer him left, or protest his bombing of Syria. At least not on this site.

Forget about reforming either of the two major parties, it ain't gonna happen. I've been watching this s**t show for 40 years. It only gets worse with each passing decade.

So then, what, in your opinion, should we do?


We have to build viable third parties that can challenge the political establishment.


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20 Jun 2021, 10:31 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
We have to build viable third parties that can challenge the political establishment.

Unfortunately, given how the American political system works, third parties don't really do much other than take votes away from whichever major party would otherwise be the lesser evil.

So, instead of trying to build a third party, I think what's necessary is to build a sufficiently large and well-organized mass movement that can put sufficient pressure on at least one of the parties.

Unfortunately, building such a mass movement around foreign policy issues will be extremely difficult. Most Americans care much more about domestic issues than about foreign policy.


A mass movement around a third-party with be the best solution. You have to make people aware that they're being lied to. The corporate class control all of the media, hence the reason third-party, independate, and anti-war, anti-establishment candidates are demonized and shut out of the process.

I don't believe there is a "lesser evil " any more. In fact, the Dems are more dangerous because the media gives them cover, and the left falls asleep -- like they did during Obama's reign.

Bill Clinton got in bed with all the same corporate donors, pretty much destroying any opposition to neoliberalism. He did worse crap the Reagan and Bush Sr., like gutting welfare, deregulating Wall Street, and passing NAFTA.



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20 Jun 2021, 11:58 am

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A mass movement around a third-party with be the best solution.

Any thoughts about how to go about building it?

It seems to me that such a movement will need a solid infrastructure, with its own media that adherents will pay attention to, and with semi-regular local gatherings of people for protest rallies and other events.

What are your thoughts on how to build these?


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20 Jun 2021, 1:46 pm

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VegetableMan wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
I don't see hardly any people who voted for Biden breaking a sweat to steer him left, or protest his bombing of Syria. At least not on this site.

Forget about reforming either of the two major parties, it ain't gonna happen. I've been watching this s**t show for 40 years. It only gets worse with each passing decade.

So then, what, in your opinion, should we do?


We have to build viable third parties that can challenge the political establishment.


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20 Jun 2021, 1:56 pm

Mona Pereth wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
A mass movement around a third-party with be the best solution.

Any thoughts about how to go about building it?

It seems to me that such a movement will need a solid infrastructure, with its own media that adherents will pay attention to, and with semi-regular local gatherings of people for protest rallies and other events.

What are your thoughts on how to build these?


I was involved in a few grassroots movements toward the end of Obama's presidency. One was in opposition to the TPP, the other was his initiative to end net neutrality. To his credit, he backed down on both.

There's a new movement to build The People's Party, which could blossom with enough support.

Just pay attention and make your concerns heard. We get nowhere if we don't hold whomever is in power accountable for their actions. That's the first step. We have to educate ourselves to what's really going on and act accordingly.



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20 Jun 2021, 6:35 pm

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I was involved in a few grassroots movements toward the end of Obama's presidency. One was in opposition to the TPP, the other was his initiative to end net neutrality. To his credit, he backed down on both.

As per the example you gave above with Obama, I think the two major parties -- especially the Democrats -- do respond to pressures from sufficiently strong, sufficiently organized grassroots movements. They will not do the right thing in the absence of such movements, however.

The problem is how to keep up the momentum of a grassroots movement strong enough to counterbalance moneyed interests.


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