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25 Jun 2021, 3:35 pm

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This smacks of what-about-ism.
This smacks of an overused buzzword, one to ironically deflect from a double standard whenever one is called out.
Buzzwords get overused because of the plethora of incidents to which they apply, such as the one above.


Thank you.


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25 Jun 2021, 3:36 pm

AlanSmithee wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
This smacks of what-about-ism.
This smacks of an overused buzzword, one to ironically deflect from a double standard whenever one is called out.


What Fnord said.


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25 Jun 2021, 3:40 pm

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How come none of the Antifa/BLM rioters have been sentenced?
They burned hundreds of businesses and government buildings, looted, assaulted people, even killed a few in their "mostly peaceful" protests. They even took over part of a major US city for several weeks. The mainstream media fawned over them and not one was brought to justice. The January 6 incident was not a riot let alone a coup or insurrection. It was criminal trespassing and stupid but no where near an "over through of democracy" as the Left calls it.
Don't think for a minute that the Leftist Democrats were sorry it happened either. I bet Nancy and Chuck were overjoyed by it. Its all political theater.


Well you are quite simply wrong, but that's ok.

if you believe whatever the government, mainstream media and bureaucrats say you will be believing in an false alternate reality.


It is the MAGAs who have a false alternate reality.

And they did arrest rioters during the BLM protests, just turns out a good amount of the arrests turned out being for non-violent offenses. I figure the ones deemed to have committed violent offenses did get sentenced.

Also, though it was not an organized attempt at insurrection of course more focus will be put on people who actually intended to harm our democracy with their little attempted coup.

How exactly was a bunch of unarmed people (mostly cosplayers) going to overthrow our country?
Who are these Antifa/BLMs that got arrested and prosecuted for non-violent burning down of a city?
Why do you believe the media and politicians who continually lie to you?


They were not all unarmed, and most cosplayers don't try to commit coups in their costumes.

Also people arrested for violent offenses during the protests probably were persecuted. And which city was burnt down exactly?

And I look at various news sources, mainstream and not...even foreign ones like Aljazeera. As for politicians I question them all there is not one I can say that I blindly follow the way the Trump followers believe every word he says even if its demonstrably false.


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26 Jun 2021, 12:11 pm

The GQP will never learn



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26 Jun 2021, 8:16 pm

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The GQP will never learn
Nor will BlueAnon.



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26 Jun 2021, 8:22 pm

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The GQP will never learn
Nor will BlueAnon.


And what is BlueAnon supposed to be? A Left wing version of QAnon? Just for the record, there is no such a thing.


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26 Jun 2021, 9:04 pm

AlanSmithee wrote:
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The GQP will never learn
Nor will BlueAnon.


Feel free to give one "wacky" conspiracy anyone in the democrat party believes.

Last time I checked, 74 million (Trump actually said 75 million) republicans gullibly swallowed a lie about voter fraud.

Even Trump has now finally washed his hands of this conspiracy as his daughter/son-in-law have convinced him it is interfering with the Trump families credibility.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsole ... f6475d403c



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26 Jun 2021, 9:16 pm

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Who are these Antifa/BLMs that got arrested and prosecuted for non-violent burning down of a city?


A number of BLM protestors have been killed or injured by right wing militia or police since Charlottesville up to the storming of the capitol in January.

Vice have demonstrated members of the police and defence forces are aligned with QAnon and MAGA movements and during the Capitol terror attacks police actively collaborated and participated.

The US police have a long long history of fabricating reports against black people going back to the 1960s when they actively participated in lynchings.

BLM protesters have tried to lodge complaints of violence against their members and the police have not taken them seriously or have filed fake reports.



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30 Jun 2021, 12:39 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
How come none of the Antifa/BLM rioters have been sentenced?
They burned hundreds of businesses and government buildings, looted, assaulted people, even killed a few in their "mostly peaceful" protests. They even took over part of a major US city for several weeks. The mainstream media fawned over them and not one was brought to justice. The January 6 incident was not a riot let alone a coup or insurrection. It was criminal trespassing and stupid but no where near an "over through of democracy" as the Left calls it.
Don't think for a minute that the Leftist Democrats were sorry it happened either. I bet Nancy and Chuck were overjoyed by it. Its all political theater.


This smacks of what-about-ism.
While the Antifa/BLM demonstrations certainly at times got out of hand, at least they were protesting something legitimate - police brutality. What were the MAGA's doing? They were trying to overturn a legitimate and lawful election, out of belief in insane conspiracy theories. So there certainly was a difference.

If by "Out of hand" you mean burning cities, looting, rapes, murders and such then yeah, Antifa/BLM got out of hand.
The Democrats spent 4 years trying to overturn a legitimate election with their crazy "Russian Collusion" theory.



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30 Jun 2021, 5:40 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
How come none of the Antifa/BLM rioters have been sentenced?
They burned hundreds of businesses and government buildings, looted, assaulted people, even killed a few in their "mostly peaceful" protests. They even took over part of a major US city for several weeks. The mainstream media fawned over them and not one was brought to justice. The January 6 incident was not a riot let alone a coup or insurrection. It was criminal trespassing and stupid but no where near an "over through of democracy" as the Left calls it.
Don't think for a minute that the Leftist Democrats were sorry it happened either. I bet Nancy and Chuck were overjoyed by it. Its all political theater.


This smacks of what-about-ism.
While the Antifa/BLM demonstrations certainly at times got out of hand, at least they were protesting something legitimate - police brutality. What were the MAGA's doing? They were trying to overturn a legitimate and lawful election, out of belief in insane conspiracy theories. So there certainly was a difference.

If by "Out of hand" you mean burning cities, looting, rapes, murders and such then yeah, Antifa/BLM got out of hand.
The Democrats spent 4 years trying to overturn a legitimate election with their crazy "Russian Collusion" theory.


Whole cities were hardly burning - just a few blocks in a given city. And no, that's not excuse violence, but that was done by people fed up with police brutality. And in all honesty, it was usually determined that looters and vandals followed after the demonstrators to behave unlawfully. A far cry from purposely trying to force congress and the senate to overturn a legal election by means of force.
The Russian collusion was hardly crazy, or even a theory. There is more than enough evidence of Russian intelligence involving themselves in an American Presidential election, such as the Russian troll farms altering and shaping public opinion in favor of Trump on social media.


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30 Jun 2021, 7:15 pm

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The Democrats spent 4 years trying to overturn a legitimate election with their crazy "Russian Collusion" theory.


The Russian collusion allegation was based on plausible intelligence which bought into question the integrity and security risk posed by the president himself. It had nothing to do the with the election result.



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30 Jun 2021, 7:41 pm

The Russian collusion allegation was based on a fabricated fairytale.



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30 Jun 2021, 9:23 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
How come none of the Antifa/BLM rioters have been sentenced?
They burned hundreds of businesses and government buildings, looted, assaulted people, even killed a few in their "mostly peaceful" protests. They even took over part of a major US city for several weeks. The mainstream media fawned over them and not one was brought to justice. The January 6 incident was not a riot let alone a coup or insurrection. It was criminal trespassing and stupid but no where near an "over through of democracy" as the Left calls it.
Don't think for a minute that the Leftist Democrats were sorry it happened either. I bet Nancy and Chuck were overjoyed by it. Its all political theater.


This smacks of what-about-ism.
While the Antifa/BLM demonstrations certainly at times got out of hand, at least they were protesting something legitimate - police brutality. What were the MAGA's doing? They were trying to overturn a legitimate and lawful election, out of belief in insane conspiracy theories. So there certainly was a difference.

If by "Out of hand" you mean burning cities, looting, rapes, murders and such then yeah, Antifa/BLM got out of hand.
The Democrats spent 4 years trying to overturn a legitimate election with their crazy "Russian Collusion" theory.

So we shouldn't believe mainstream media.

Until it tells us something we want to hear, such as "burning cities, looting, rapes, murders and such" in relation to BLM, when suddenly their credibility is without question?

Also, has it crossed your mind that the violence which erupted around the edges of the BLM protests (and was NOT the focus of them, despite your efforts to twist everything around) is a reaction to decades of Police harrassment, bullying, discrimination, violence and in some cases murder?

Nastiness begats more nastiness. I'm not saying it's right, but it was very predictable. This has been building up for a long time.

This is like being at school when the quiet kid suddenly has enough of the bully. A situation I suspect a lot of AS people can sympathise with. Yes, things can get out of hand. The root cause is still the bullying, though.



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30 Jun 2021, 10:49 pm

Redd_Kross wrote:
Also, has it crossed your mind that the violence which erupted around the edges of the BLM protests (and was NOT the focus of them, despite your efforts to twist everything around) is a reaction to decades of Police harrassment, bullying, discrimination, violence and in some cases murder?.


I accept NT MAGAs are brainwashed but it amazes me when I see WP members openly attacking a movement that specifically tries to address 400 years of extreme bullying.

To quote kraftie "however you slice it" it just looks like you are supporting people who are effectively bullying vulnerable minorities.



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30 Jun 2021, 10:50 pm

Daddy63 wrote:
The Russian collusion allegation was based on a fabricated fairytale.


Please stop trying to live through the eyes of MAGAs.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... collusion/

Your premise is completely wrong



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30 Jun 2021, 10:56 pm

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This is like being at school when the quiet kid suddenly has enough of the bully. A situation I suspect a lot of AS people can sympathise with. Yes, things can get out of hand. The root cause is still the bullying, though.


Some bullies need their heads banged off a urinal a couple of times before they can empathize with another person. :nerdy:


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