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08 Jul 2021, 11:30 am

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Trump is a nazi, and so is each and every individual supporter of Trump.
And the article you quoted is the evidence.

It cannot be discussed. Everyone who support or voted for Trump is a nazi, because Trump IS a nazi.

You cannot say "Hitler did a lot of good things" if you're not a nazi.





First of All, From Professor(s) Wiki:

"Nazism is a form of fascism,[2][3][4][5] with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system.
It incorporates fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, scientific racism, and the use of eugenics into its creed."

Now to 'Your Statement' That surely for the Fact That it is still Standing in this Thread is A Newer Testament
To Just How Few 'Trump Voters' Still Exist on the 'Wrong Planet' After His Huuuuge Loss, by 8 MiLLioN Votes...

i have to admit the

Last 4 or 5 Years on the
'Wrong Planet' Since Trump's

Rise Were A Bit DarK Like the
Place i Live, Obviously, 'Trump Town USA' too...

To Highlight Your Statement About All Trump
Voters Being Nazi's, Because Trump is A Nazi Doesn't

Match the Definition

Of Nazi As the Core

of Trump's Base is Evangelical

Christian And They Damn Sure Ain't

Anti-Semitic As Israel Still Plays an Integral

Part of their Prophetic Religious Ideologies of the
Return of their 'Sugar Pill Savior Jesus'; Hey Baby,

Trump Voters; Most of them Where i Live Vote for

Trump For Two Reasons; He Doesn't support 'Pro-Choice'
And He Worked Against Transgender Folks too; Yet true,

When it Comes to the Abortion Issue, 'Evangelical Christians' Would Still
Support A President even if they were A Nazi And Attempted to Incite
A Deadly Insurrection to Overthrow Democracy As Trump is surely

Guilty of the

Second Part

of that With Anyone

With a Frigging Clue of Reality;

Trump's Love And Hopes of Being
A Demagogue Dictator Came Shining
Through When He Smiled Gleefully Starry Eyed Talking
About 'Great Dictators Not Being Caught in a Pandemic Mask'...

Make No Mistake,

Trump Understood

How to Round Up Ignorance

of Minions in His Cause; Yet Make

No Mistake; Evangelical Christians Are

Surely Not NAZI's As they Don't Fit the Anti-Semitic Qualifications...

And Other than that; Lots of Trump Voters Are Very Nice Ignorant Folks

As Long as Ya Fit their Group Think Qualifications to Be Part Human And Part Free...

Most Trump Voters Are Too Damn 'Wimpy' To Even Form Big Protests For Their Causes;

They Stand

Behind

Pastors

in Church and

Just Nod Their Heads

in Union of Ignorance;

What Conservatives As Science Shows

Have Most in Common is Being Closed Minded;

Closed Minded Folks are less free; Nature of the Beast...

After All

Liberal

Does Mean Freer...

From the First Search Hit on Google:

"Liberal: Willing to respect or accept behavior
or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas."

If Ya Aren't
Open to

New Ideas,

Ya Just Aren't Freer...

Ya Are More Like the
Same Old Dam Stick in the Mud;

Someone has to Guard the Mud Puddle though...

And Boats Need Anchors; Yet Without Sails they Rot in Safe Harbors...

And to Be Clear, Liberal And Conservative is Common in All Parties of Life...

Just Like the Rest of the Animal Kingdom As Assessed 20 Percent Sitters and 80 Percent Rovers...

25 Percent of

The Country

Are Republicans;

Is There A Correlation,

Obviously Yes; A Potentially

Dangerous, Yet Necessary reality

too as Yes Boats Do Need Anchors too...

Trump is Just A Dude With A Tiny to Non-Existent Human
Soul; Despicable Leaders Come and Go; Minions Remain For Their Coming Reigns...

Or At The Used Car Sales Lot Playing to the SCaRCiTY of the Folks On 'the Farm' Who Didn't Leave
'Green Acres'

For

'Beverly Hills Green';

Meh, Some of Us Stay

in Green Acres And Are

Clever Enough to Maintain

Both Kinds of Green; Hehe,

The Air Breathes Clearer and

All my Conservative Neighbors

Have Armories Tall Enough Where
No one usually Treads Our Grounds...

It's Really A Safe Place to Live; and Let's

(A Neighbor Sadly Did Commit Suicide Yesterday;
i Have No Idea if She Used A Gun; That Happens too)

Just Be Sayin' Now Still, if A Used Car Sales Person Can
Talk "Them" into Buying A Lemon; i Will 'Make' Them
Believe My Heaven

is Their Hell...

i Don't

Even Have

to Try to Convince 'em...

For They Have Already
Become Brick and Mortar Fed in Stone...

This is the Human Condition; Get Used to
it; Get Over The Parts Ya Don't Like; It's

(What i do)

Here to stay
for a while
longer at least...

Other than that

It's Truly 'Bananas';

All Ya Really Gotta

Do Is Not Slip on 'Their' 'Peels'...

Just A Quick Relevant Side Note:

i Rate 100% Open Minded;
And 100% Extraverted And
Close to 0 Percent Neurotic;

And Only Conscientious
100 Percent on Task in
Laser Focus Flow in What
i Am Currently Doing Now;

Agreeable Enough Yes, Yet
Don't Mistake My Grace for Weakness...

i Stand Out Like A Sore Thumb Here for
the First Two Personality Traits; As Huge Informal
Polls Done Here Before Indicate About 95 Percent of
the Folks Who Inhabit the Wrong Planet Are Introverted

And Obviously
"The Condition"

Overall is Resistant
To Change And Naturally
Conservative At Core Regardless
of Religious, Atheist, Scientist, Or Other Political Persuasion...

Like a Butterfly

i Came Out of that Previous Cocoon;

Change; It's what's for All Meals of Life
for those Who Successfully Adapt, Survive, and Thrive...

Ya Might Be More Likely to Survive
Conservative With A Frown Indeed...

i'd

Rather Truly
Live With Butterfly
Wings... So i Do...
i Found the Cocoon to
Be A Rather Stale Place of Life...

The Inability to See Nuance in Life, Yes
More Colors, is Most Definitely A 'Conservative Trait';
Black And White Literal Thinking InDeed More Prevalent

With So Many All or None Propositions About Existence;

There Ain't Nothing About Life Black or White; Yet of Course

Without the ability to See the

Nuances of Life,

The Colors

May Just Not

Exist For Some
Folks in Their UniVerses of Existence...

The Fact is Though Some AUtistic Folks Have
A Big R For ARtistic too OutSide of STEM Stereotypes;

For Me At Least, A Super Closed Minded Introverted Place
Like 'Trump Town USA' Is a 'Wrong Planet' For me Here too...

Yet With A 6 Inch Screen and

One Finger i Have the Ability

To Dance Sing my Own Bible
Of Life Almost Anywhere in the

World and Fit in Enough to Survive AND THRIVE
IN Some Very Nice Freer Spirited Environments too...
A Truly Fully Extraverted And Open Minded Person Will
Fit in Enough Almost Anywhere, One UniVerse, One Body, One Blood Love As Such...

HAVE A Nice
Day; Just a
Wish; Not
Telling

You What to Do...



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08 Jul 2021, 12:00 pm

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Hitler made an awesome car. Ya gotta give him that.


Ferdinand Porsche ripped off a pretty good Tatra, but why would I give credit to Hitler? :nerdy:

Read up on it.


I have. It would be like crediting any government for any product produced in response to a tender.

The design of the VW KdF-Wagen was heavily influenced by the Tatra 97 to the point there was a lawsuit. The lawsuit was interrupted by the war but in the end VW paid Tatra to settle.

If you'd read on the topic you'd know this. :nerdy:

Its old news.



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08 Jul 2021, 12:02 pm

You all know that the Nazi's were socialists don't you?
What other socialists can you think of?
Bernie
AOC
BLM
Most of the DNC



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08 Jul 2021, 12:38 pm

The big lie is a common propaganda trick where the same dishonest claim is endlessly repeated. :nerdy:


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08 Jul 2021, 1:48 pm

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The big lie is a common propaganda trick where the same dishonest claim is endlessly repeated. :nerdy:

Correct. The DCN uses this trick often.



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08 Jul 2021, 1:51 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
The big lie is a common propaganda trick where the same dishonest claim is endlessly repeated. :nerdy:

Correct. The DCN uses this trick often.


I was referring to that poster who keeps claiming the NSDAP were socialists. :wink:


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08 Jul 2021, 2:48 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
The big lie is a common propaganda trick where the same dishonest claim is endlessly repeated. :nerdy:

Correct. The DCN uses this trick often.


I was referring to that poster who keeps claiming the NSDAP were socialists. :wink:

Its in the name. National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.
Not the National Sugary German Workers Party or the National Scientologist German Workers Party but the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.
They name things stuff for a reason.



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08 Jul 2021, 2:53 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
The big lie is a common propaganda trick where the same dishonest claim is endlessly repeated. :nerdy:

Correct. The DCN uses this trick often.


I was referring to that poster who keeps claiming the NSDAP were socialists. :wink:

Its in the name. National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.
Not the National Sugary German Workers Party or the National Scientologist German Workers Party but the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.
They name things stuff for a reason.


So you also believe the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democratic republic because it's in the name? :chin:


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08 Jul 2021, 3:35 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
You all know that the Nazi's were socialists don't you?
What other socialists can you think of?
Bernie
AOC
BLM
Most of the DNC


The Nazis claimed they were socialist to gain public support. Once in power, they threw socialists into the holocaust. Autocracy at its best. The Nazis were very far right. Saying the Nazis were socialist is saying North Korea is an actual Democratic People's Republic, which they were NOT.

I wish people would stop cherrypicking to suit narratives that are far from reality.


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08 Jul 2021, 3:50 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
The big lie is a common propaganda trick where the same dishonest claim is endlessly repeated. :nerdy:

Correct. The DCN uses this trick often.


I was referring to that poster who keeps claiming the NSDAP were socialists. :wink:

Its in the name. National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.
Not the National Sugary German Workers Party or the National Scientologist German Workers Party but the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.
They name things stuff for a reason.


So you also believe the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democratic republic because it's in the name? :chin:[/quote
You believe the Democrat party is democratic don't you? LOL!! !



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08 Jul 2021, 3:51 pm

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Mr Reynholm wrote:
You all know that the Nazi's were socialists don't you?
What other socialists can you think of?
Bernie
AOC
BLM
Most of the DNC


The Nazis claimed they were socialist to gain public support. Once in power, they threw socialists into the holocaust. Autocracy at its best. The Nazis were very far right. Saying the Nazis were socialist is saying North Korea is an actual Democratic People's Republic, which they were NOT.

I wish people would stop cherrypicking to suit narratives that are far from reality.

Authoritarians come out of the left as much as the right. You don't have to twist the facts.



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08 Jul 2021, 3:55 pm

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You believe the Democrat party is democratic don't you? LOL!! !


Well, that fails to actually answer the question. :roll:

I'll remind you of your inability to defend your claims the next time you try to insist the Nazis were socialists or left-wingers since that claim will still be nonsense the next time you try to trot it out as well.


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08 Jul 2021, 4:08 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
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Mr Reynholm wrote:
You all know that the Nazi's were socialists don't you?
What other socialists can you think of?
Bernie
AOC
BLM
Most of the DNC


The Nazis claimed they were socialist to gain public support. Once in power, they threw socialists into the holocaust. Autocracy at its best. The Nazis were very far right. Saying the Nazis were socialist is saying North Korea is an actual Democratic People's Republic, which they were NOT.

I wish people would stop cherrypicking to suit narratives that are far from reality.

Authoritarians come out of the left as much as the right. You don't have to twist the facts.


I'm not twisting facts. This is what they actually did: They busted labor unions, privatized industries, and put anyone who supported workers rights movements into the holocaust.

A true socialist does NOT support any of that.


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08 Jul 2021, 5:22 pm

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You believe the Democrat party is democratic don't you? LOL!! !


Well, that fails to actually answer the question. :roll:

I'll remind you of your inability to defend your claims the next time you try to insist the Nazis were socialists or left-wingers since that claim will still be nonsense the next time you try to trot it out as well.


It's pretty wild, isn't it? Korea calls themselves a democracy, and they grasp that korea is lying - but russia calls themselves a "socialist" nation, and IT MUST BE TRUE!! !

It's equally interesting that they can't seem to define "socialism" other than pointing at russia while hopping around like they need to have a wee - or describing russia, and claiming it's socialism, cos russia said so.

I wonder if all these people who think socialism is SO VERY BAD!! ! have a SOCIAL security card. Or plan to collect SOCIAL security when they get older. Or use SOCIALLY funded services, like roads, law enforcement, or fire rescue.

Quantum Excuse Theory - things are both ways as needed to justify a double standard. Labels are both true and false, depending on which labels they want attached to what. Democrats aren't actually democrats, even though they CALL themselves that, but socialism is TOTALLY what russia was, cos that's what they called themselves.

The only difference I see between a nazi, and a wannbe nazi, is the opportunity to act upon it.

Porsche makes a fine car. I can acknowledge that without having to snuggle and ass-kiss the memory of hitler. I can acknowledge that Porsche came about during hitler's reign, and possibly gained an opportunity as a result, without having to dump ALL the credit into hitler's lap, and metaphorically pat him on the back for it. "Hey, I know you murdered hundreds of thousands of people while trying to take over the world, but, if it wasn't for you, we might not have a flashy sports car, so, we're cool. Fist bump!"



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08 Jul 2021, 7:17 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
The big lie is a common propaganda trick where the same dishonest claim is endlessly repeated. :nerdy:

Correct. The DCN uses this trick often.


I was referring to that poster who keeps claiming the NSDAP were socialists. :wink:

Its in the name. National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.
Not the National Sugary German Workers Party or the National Scientologist German Workers Party but the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.
They name things stuff for a reason.


under the Nazi Regime, the mode of production was capitalistic - factory owners owned factories, had workers work for them, paid them money, sold what they had made for more money and kept the difference. you know... capitalism.
the factories weren't owned by the workers, the workers did not decide what to produce and they did not get what their work was actually worth - there always was a capitalust who gained from owning the capital.
in other words: national socialism was socialism in name only, it did not meet the criteria for socialism. Hitler's Germany was capitalist.


Bernie, Aoc etc., btw. are old fashioned social democrats, and would fit in with the conservative party, here in Germany, with Angela Merkel. Feel free to label them socialist and lump them in with Hitler.
Europeans think Americans have jumped the shark anyway.
Have you read the news? Biden tried to form a coalition against China, and the Europeans didn't want to join him. Europe is hedging her bets.


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08 Jul 2021, 7:19 pm

shlaifu wrote:
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Fnord wrote:
a. Nazis are losers.
b. Trump is a Nazi.

: : Trump is a loser.


The nazis didn't lose. They just didn't win, and that's a very big difference.

If the nazis had lost WW2 there would be no nazis today, because it would have been illegalized throughout Europe and each and every scum of these bastards would have been executed by cyanide gas after the war.

Nazism isn't even illegal in Germany, only the flag, not the ideology itself nor is it illegal be member of a nazi organization and several National-Socialist (from which "nazi" has been abbreviated) organizations exists both in Germany and in other European countries, as well as in the U.S.

You know why? I know why: Because, as unfortunate as it is, the nazis enjoy too much popular support to be wiped off the surface of the Earth.

This is also the reason the number of executions of those helping the nazi occupation of Denmark, Norway, The Netherlands etc. was very low. Simply put, the nazis, then and now, enjoy too much popular support for governments around the world to stop them.

This is also evidence that democracy will inevitably result in a new nazi regime. Remember: Hitler was democratically elected and became a dictator without even having to make a coup.

You also have to remember that after WW2, the majority of the German population still supported Hitler and the nazi regime.

A majority of the German population thought the nazi regime was superior to any other system of government.
In 1952, 25% had a good opinion of Hitler.

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification
Postwar: a History of Europe since 1945


hi. I've lived most of my live in Germany. National Socialism is illegal in Germany. There are two ways to avoid getting into trouble though, one of which is to never publicly admit to adhering to an anti-constitutional ideology, which is what the neo-nazi organistaions do, and the other is to act in a way in which no one will take you seriously, not even intelligence services.
So, the German Neo-nazis call themselves "patriots" or something like that in public.

the reason why the Germans weren't totally eradicated after ww2 was also because there were what, like, 30 million of them? - it's somewhat hard to argue for a genocide of that scale if you're not a Nazi yourself. - and by and large, the reeducation worked - the leftist student revolts of the 60s had their fair share in that. But today, "patriot" in Germany is dogwhistle for "Neo-Nazi".

that said, there's more xenophobia and conservativeness around than most Germans would admit.

Fascism is however quite often at leadt a little tolerated, because it is extreme conservativism. And extreme conservativism is usually not a threat to the nation-state. If it gets out of hand, sure, but it's not like leftist ideologies that tend to be explicitly aiming at revolution. Even a little revolurion is a disturbance. A little extreme conservativism is not disturbing social order.

Trump is not a Nazi. He's a Mobster, and he's enabling Nazis, and anyone who was of use to him. He's an opportunist. But he didn't use his time in office to put into practice another holocaust. His foreign policy was indistinguishable from Obama's.


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