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29 Oct 2021, 6:36 am

unfortunately, the singapore [authoritarian brutal] model seems headed to a fascist proto-oligarchy near you and me.



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29 Oct 2021, 6:43 am

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there are still a few good people in the motor city that need protection from this element. or moved out of there to someplace better.


Chicago isn't all bad. Detroit is.

Which US city has the worst bad areas depends on your criteria. If you mean most violent it's Chicago. If you mean poorest it's New Orleans. If you mean biggest it's Detroit.

Chicago is run by Obama type Democrats and has handgun laws up the ying yang. The Dems there haven't done much about the massive wealth inequality in the city and the gun laws obviously aren't making it safer.


Detroit started falling apart when the auto industry kept insisting the union make concession after concession or they'd leave town. As it turns out, the auto industries began outsourcing, anyhow. With auto workers out of work, small businesses began falling like dominoes, laying hordes of people off. That began in the Reagan years, when industrialists knew a pro business White House would let them get away with it. That's where today's Detroit comes from.


Not to mention the Big 4 (at the time, you also had AMC) having to compete with the likes of Toyota and VW in wake of the energy crisis of the 70s. Yet the Big 4 prioritized the big (and usually ugly) gas guzzlers over more fuel-efficient vehicles.


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29 Oct 2021, 6:46 am

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In Singapore this guy would be tied to a frame and wacked with a cane removing skin and flesh from his bare buttocks. I've seen video of it the flesh just splits open on the third hit while the miscreant screams like the damned. It's beautiful.


Whatever happened to that American guy who got caned for spray-painting cars?


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29 Oct 2021, 10:01 am

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In Singapore this guy would be tied to a frame and wacked with a cane removing skin and flesh from his bare buttocks. I've seen video of it the flesh just splits open on the third hit while the miscreant screams like the damned. It's beautiful.


Whatever happened to that American guy who got caned for spray-painting cars?


He only got four out of six wacks because Clinton asked for leaniacy. That's right a sitting President spoke up for some vandal.

When you are in another nation, all of their laws apply to you. What Clinton did was total BS.



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29 Oct 2021, 10:28 am

Defending corporal punishment is pretty cringe.


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29 Oct 2021, 10:34 am

Clinton remembered what it felt like to be caned by an Arkansas granny and felt sympathy.
Their preference was a keen peach switch to the back of the calves.


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29 Oct 2021, 10:43 am

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Defending corporal punishment is pretty cringe.


In Singapore you cant legally drive the car until the graffiti is removed. There laws make them one of the safest nations on earth too.



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29 Oct 2021, 8:27 pm

i wouldn't live there even if i could. just too brutal.



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29 Oct 2021, 11:10 pm

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Defending corporal punishment is pretty cringe.


I largely agree, but I'm not sure that it's objectively worse than imprisonment, especially as practiced in the US.


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29 Oct 2021, 11:36 pm

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Defending corporal punishment is pretty cringe.


I largely agree, but I'm not sure that it's objectively worse than imprisonment, especially as practiced in the US.


I think that after a good wacking it's unlikely the miscreant will reoffend.



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29 Oct 2021, 11:49 pm

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Defending corporal punishment is pretty cringe.


Also BS was their government representatives getting death threats from random Americans and one college professor who wanted him rescued by US Special Forces. What was he imagining, Green Berets or Navy Seals gunning down Singapore police officers in order to rescue a miscreant vandal? In my school days I had the misfortune of having to deal with so many like him. I'd pay to hear them shrieking like damned souls.



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29 Oct 2021, 11:54 pm

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Defending corporal punishment is pretty cringe.


I largely agree, but I'm not sure that it's objectively worse than imprisonment, especially as practiced in the US.


I can agree that imprisonment is also pretty problematic and gets made worse by things like for-profit prisons. I'm not sure if I can buy the case that one is worse than the other.


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29 Oct 2021, 11:56 pm

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Defending corporal punishment is pretty cringe.


Also BS was their government representatives getting death threats from random Americans and one college professor who wanted him rescued by US Special Forces. What was he imagining, Green Berets or Navy Seals gunning down Singapore police officers in order to rescue a miscreant vandal? In my school days I had the misfortune of having to deal with so many like him. I'd pay to hear them shrieking like damned souls.


I don't think using military force would be an appropriate response, but that doesn't mean Singapore isn't an authoritarian nightmare.


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29 Oct 2021, 11:58 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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Defending corporal punishment is pretty cringe.


I largely agree, but I'm not sure that it's objectively worse than imprisonment, especially as practiced in the US.


I can agree that imprisonment is also pretty problematic and gets made worse by things like for-profit prisons. I'm not sure if I can buy the case that one is worse than the other.


Your choice seven years or seven wacks which would you prefer?



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30 Oct 2021, 12:00 am

Axeman wrote:
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Defending corporal punishment is pretty cringe.


I largely agree, but I'm not sure that it's objectively worse than imprisonment, especially as practiced in the US.


I can agree that imprisonment is also pretty problematic and gets made worse by things like for-profit prisons. I'm not sure if I can buy the case that one is worse than the other.


Your choice seven years or seven wacks which would you prefer?


If it's over graffiti both are an absurd over-reaction.
If it's over selling drugs seven wacks but I'll have whoever carried it out shot within a week. 8)


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30 Oct 2021, 12:04 am

funeralxempire wrote:
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Defending corporal punishment is pretty cringe.


I largely agree, but I'm not sure that it's objectively worse than imprisonment, especially as practiced in the US.


I can agree that imprisonment is also pretty problematic and gets made worse by things like for-profit prisons. I'm not sure if I can buy the case that one is worse than the other.


Your choice seven years or seven wacks which would you prefer?


If it's over graffiti both are an absurd over-reaction.
If it's over selling drugs seven wacks but I'll have whoever carried it out shot within a week. 8)


And how would you manage that? Are you a mafia boss?