Why are Aspergers win the mental health system

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14 Apr 2022, 1:40 am

When we are clearly smart but different,

Like Einstein and. Elon Musk, or other Aspergers who were smart


If I start staying I want to build a rocket to ago into space they'd throw me in hospital.



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14 Apr 2022, 1:57 am

Why are Aspergers 'in' the mental health system



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14 Apr 2022, 6:50 pm

Poor literal functioning in NT society due to social and other differences from the majority

Comorbid conditions that are mental illnesses.


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14 Apr 2022, 7:06 pm

Technic1 wrote:
Why are Aspergers 'in' the mental health system


For me it began in the early 1980s with meltdowns and burnout being misdiagnosed as bipolar and other things because the paid mental health care professionals and the university research academics were not yet either, or both, knowledgeable of, or accepting of, non-severe autism existing in people in their late teens and early 20s.

And once they have you on that train they tend to want you to stay.
(because "revenue stream"?)
(because "study/test subject and I've got papers to write and publish to prove my worth in the mental health care research field"?)


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14 Apr 2022, 7:10 pm

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Poor literal functioning in NT society due to social and other differences from the majority


Yep, also known (yeah I admit it could be a bit of a cynical attitude) as, "Oh, you are having trouble staying afloat in our inherently dysfunctional NT sea? Then obviously YOU are broken and You Must Be Fixed To Our Standards!"


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15 Apr 2022, 6:31 am

Here is part of chapter 2 of the free pdf booklet "Aspergers - An Intentional Life" http://christianpioneer.com/blogarchiev ... e_2017.pdf

It describes how society came to consider difference as indicative of defect;

Chapter 2 — How behavior became pathology

There are some physiological conditions that result in behavior problems such as with some tumors or brain injury or malformation such as with severe autism. However, these are not very common and are usually so profound as to distinctly herald a causative pathology. However, recently the range of what is considered
“normal” has been narrowed. There was a time prior to mandatory public education when a diversity of behavior was more widely accepted. Being a character, unique, or different was not the anathema it is today.

By way of background, we can examine what came to be called ADHD. Henry Ford perhaps best demonstrated the efficiency of mass production. This was greatly expanded during world war II. So many people had come to accept the mass production of war material such as tanks and planes and the mass processing of soldiers
and sailors that the continuing mass processing of children in school was never questioned. However after the war the intensification of the mass processing began to reveal problems. Not every child could pass through the system without difficulty. However, no one seemed to question the assumption that uniform conveyor-like
processing was suitable for all children.

Charitable organizations like the Easter Seal society had grown during the early 20th century into massive financial fund raising machines. They funneled many of their donations into medical research to find cures for various childhood diseases. The vaccine for polio was greatly aided through their funding. In 1963 the Easter
seal society held a meeting with the National Institute of Neurological Diseases and Blindness Public Health Service that resulted in a paper published in 1966, DHEW publication (NIH 76349). This document was written by Sam D. Clemets an associate professor in the University of Arkansas Medical School. The paper was titled
“Minimal Brain Dysfunction in Children”. This was the result of “task force one“ which was supposed to provide a definitional emphasis from a medical perspective. This report acknowledges that there is no physiological causative condition. However, as can be seen from the paper title, there was every expectation of medical technology finding one eventually.

Essentially, the assumption was that difficulty in being processed in the school machine was indicative of some defect or pathology (as yet unknown) in the child that required intervention and correction.


Because the neurology of Aspergers results in sensory and cognition overload conditions different from most, it is determined to be detrimental. It is ironic that under the guise of "diversity' those who are different are targeted.



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15 Apr 2022, 6:39 am

timf wrote:
Essentially, the assumption was that difficulty in being processed in the school machine was indicative of some defect or pathology (as yet unknown) in the child that required intervention and correction. [/i]

Because the neurology of Aspergers results in sensory and cognition overload conditions different from most, it is determined to be detrimental. It is ironic that under the guise of "diversity' those who are different are targeted.


While the song is not about neurodiversity the situation brings to mind a line in the lyrics to Rush's 1980-something song 'Subdivisions' - "In the high school halls, in the shopping malls, conform or be cast out".


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15 Apr 2022, 7:14 am

Technic1 wrote:
When we are clearly smart but different,
Like Einstein and. Elon Musk, or other Aspergers who were smart
If I start staying I want to build a rocket to ago into space they'd throw me in hospital.


This is an interesting question. Some Aspies are very smart.
An average NT has + and -
But some Aspies are ++ and --
And some are off the wall with +++++ and -----
The general approach for these unique Aspies is to use their unique capabilities +s to overcome their weaknesses -s.
An Aspie with many +s is extremely capable of accomplishing great things in the world, especially when they learn about their +s.


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20 Apr 2022, 7:34 am

Because we have difficulty..Nts have difficulty too.

For example

Rude
mean
two faced
liars
socially alone (some of them aren't happy socially
Cant get to work on time
Fail driving tests
ect

?



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20 Apr 2022, 11:54 am

I don't see us as mentally ill. Disabled in some ways, but that's all. I don't see why psychiatrists have anything to do with diagnosing and treating us either. Neurologists would seem more appropriate.



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21 Apr 2022, 2:14 am

Technic1 wrote:
Why are Aspergers 'in' the mental health system


There’s very good reasons why Aspergers is classed as a brain disorder.

Many aspies here will tell you about their life struggles.

Rather than repeat something on an autism inspiration porn blog written by someone in their moms basement, ask yourself the question. What are your issues / limitations, what has held you back. Why haven’t you invented a rocket?

There will be your answer to your question.

Just don’t use the tired old excuse everyone hates me / I’m discriminated against denial BS.


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21 Apr 2022, 3:21 am

There are those of us for whom the mental illness dx came first, In my case there was a 45 year + gap between first seeing a pdoc and getting the Asperger's/ASD dx. I'm acutely aware I have limitations. There was a lack of recognition by others that I had difficulties rather than a denial on my part that I did.

It took my (s) daughter explaining things to the mental health team here prior to my moving, that it wasn't a case of my being awkward/lazy/passive aggressive etc, for those difficulties to be acknowledged. Based on my own experience,and what I've heard from others, mental health professionals are often not good at all at spotting those of us who don't fit a good/average/bad at everything profile. Certainly none of those I'd mentioned the term 'adaptive functioning' to had a clue what I was talking about.

When you can do this, and yet struggle with tasks others take in their stride, it's rather obvious that something untoward is going on. Not forgetting, of course, the difficulties socially interacting with others.

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21 Apr 2022, 4:31 am

For me Asperger's feels like a mental health condition more than a disability. My emotions have always been affected more so than anything else. I feel like I have depression, anxiety, social anxiety, social phobia, overly sensitive, PTSD, some anger, and lots of other emotional things people with mental health can relate to - all clumped together.

I'm more anxious than most of the other Aspies here on this site, so I must be more anxious than the average autistic person. I can get depressed and beat myself up. Most of my social awkwardness is based on social anxiety and social phobia. I am too sensitive to other people's moods and behaviours. I seem to suffer with PTSD from bad social experiences I faced as a teenager that affect me today. I'm prone to being jealous of others due to my own insecurities and I used to have rage outbursts that I am now on medication for.

Sounds to me like mental health issues.


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21 Apr 2022, 5:02 pm

I would say due to poor executive function. Screw all intelligence in the world regarding 2 topics if i can't be a functional adult in everything else.