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01 Jun 2022, 12:59 am

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I know that sociopaths are usually born sociopaths, and it's fostered through entitlement when they're young.

Being bullied doesn't make a person sociopathic. It might make them snap, or become impulsive for revenge.

Sociopathy and Psychopathy aren't the same psychology and yes, they do hurt animals.

Sociopaths have empathy but don't care.

Psychopaths don't have empathy at all.


Disagree.
"Psychopaths are born...
Sociopaths are made..."


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01 Jun 2022, 1:00 am

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So what if he was bullied…..many people are bullied. I was bullied.

Those “many people” don’t plan to shoot and kill little kids like that stupid entitled punk.

Enough of this crap already! Enough of any sympathy for homicidal maniacs.


OK, I get it.
You think bullying is fine, maybe even character building
. :thumright: <satire>

Where is the downside of mitigating bullying?

And yes, *some* people go off the deep end when they are bullied.
Call it a character fault, but how does that change things?
Seriously. 8O

Those who bullied the last mass shooter have blood on their hands *ALSO*, imo, the same as if a person takes their life because they can't handle online/RL bullying.
Most people can handle it, but some can't.
This is an undeniable fact.
You need to realise that.

You said: "sympathy for homicidal maniacs."
Show me where I have given any sympathy for homicidal maniacs?
You don't seem to understand the difference between "sympathy" and establishing where the problem comes from.

If a homicidal maniac is triggered through bullying, it is still the bullying that triggers the action.
Your reasoning seems to be lacking.

And as Kite man has pointed out, there are programs that are set up to identify where bullying occurs.
I'm not the only one who thinks the bullying culture is a bad thing.

Please maintain your civility.
Your outrage is not warranted.


I'm sure that's not what Kraftie implied.

It is possible to be bullied, not handle it, and not go on a murdering spree.

I'm living proof of that! As is Kraftie, and many others.

And I most certainly do not believe being bullied is character building. It f***s people up. I can understand why someone would kill themselves, but I don't understand why they would kill innocent people.


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01 Jun 2022, 1:04 am

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It is as if they are training to eventually turn that sadistic nature towards people.
It is almost as if there is a plan in motion.


There indeed is a plan to such evil; and it gets mocked and ridiculed and dismissed because it is not 'scientifically provable' to a western materialistic world which is so very much smarter than that mythological spiritual nonsense.

And because the ultimate roots of this kind of inhuman violence are in the spiritual world, the laws and activism and policies and programs and services of the material world will only ever have a degree of effect on the thing, they can not fully stop it.

Here at 1am with a quite painful defective body and insomnia and a severe thunderstorm threatening to cut off either the internet or the electricity or both at any moment, I can offer nothing to substantiate to anyone's satisfaction that which I just said.
And then I will dare to proclaim with no supporting documentation that it will eventually be shown true.
Mark my words, it will eventually be shown true.

That being said, there does need to be productive action taken about someone the shooter's age being able to buy a couple guns and so much ammunition in a short time.
Houston, we have a problem ...


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01 Jun 2022, 1:06 am

Where_am_I wrote:
And I most certainly do not believe being bullied is character building. It f***s people up. I can understand why someone would kill themselves, but I don't understand why they would kill innocent people.


The deciding factor is the known thing about anger turned inward versus anger turned outward.


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01 Jun 2022, 1:09 am

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IsabellaLinton wrote:
I know that sociopaths are usually born sociopaths, and it's fostered through entitlement when they're young.

Being bullied doesn't make a person sociopathic. It might make them snap, or become impulsive for revenge.

Sociopathy and Psychopathy aren't the same psychology and yes, they do hurt animals.

Sociopaths have empathy but don't care.

Psychopaths don't have empathy at all.


Disagree.
"Psychopaths are born...
Sociopaths are made..."


Sociopaths are made, but it's by their own choice.
They need to have Antisocial Personality Disorder as a breeding ground for those choices.



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01 Jun 2022, 1:18 am

Ramos fits the bill, based on what I have heard so far:

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Traits of Sociopathy

Researchers tend to believe that sociopathy is the result of environmental factors, such as a child or teen’s upbringing in a very negative household that resulted in physical abuse, emotional abuse, or childhood trauma.


https://www.mha-em.org/im-looking-for/m ... sociopathy


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Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet."
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01 Jun 2022, 1:25 am

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How sociopaths are formed?
The reasons behind the disorder are not fully understood. The current belief is that psychopathy generally comes from genetic factors, such as parts of the brain not developing fully, while sociopathy results from an interruption in personality development by abuse or trauma in childhood.


https://www.google.com/search?q=what+ca ... nt=gws-wiz


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If I'm so bad, pass me by. ;)


And one more thing,



Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet."
Truth may be inconvenient but it is never politically incorrect...The Oracle of Truth has spoken...8)
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01 Jun 2022, 1:27 am

If he was an unstable sociopath why was he allowed to buy a weapon of war?
Personally I think he was a psychopath, but either way -- why wasn't he flagged?
He must have had some contact with mental health or children's services in his life.



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01 Jun 2022, 1:30 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
If he was an unstable sociopath why was he allowed to buy a weapon of war?
Personally I think he was a psychopath, but either way -- why wasn't he flagged?
He must have had some contact with mental health or children's services in his life.


Were the bullies who created this sociopath flagged?


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If I'm so bad, pass me by. ;)


And one more thing,



Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet."
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01 Jun 2022, 1:38 am

As what long term and somewhat relentless bullying can do and lead the person being bullied to do -- I'll tell a couple stories on me,

1.
Along about 8th or 9th grade in a situations where the response from the adults I asked for help was pretty much, "Oh don't be so sensitive" and "They are teasing you because they like you." there finally came a day where at the end of one school day it was, "That's enough, I'm done. DONE."
The extreme contrasts in emotion and action happening in the space of a couple minutes still strikes me today multiple decades later.
I went in to an open classroom across from our lockers, set my books and notebooks on the American History teacher's desk and said, "Would you please watch my books while I stuff ______ in his locker."
The teacher and a couple students still in the room just kinda looked at me.
I went back out in to the hall, and with a big hit of adrenaline did indeed rather violently stuff ____ in to his own locker.
Put his padlock in the door, locked it.
Walked back in to the classroom, said something along the lines of, "Thanks for watching my books. Y'all have a good evening."
Headed home without looking back.
There was no call to the Principal's office the next day; no detention; no suspension; I never heard another thing about the event until a few years later my Dad said to me that the teachers and administration were so shocked by the quiet nerdy kid doing THAT that they had no idea what to do with me.
Interestingly the bullying pretty much vanished.

2.
Several years later in another place, it hit the point that I went outside, ripped up some bricks from the parking lot edging and started putting them through the windows.
That event brought on a trip to the psych ward that very afternoon.
90 days later when the insurance coverage ran out they still didn't know what mental thing to diagnose me with.
Maybe because there wasn't a mental illness to diagnose, just a hell of a lot of emotional pain?????


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01 Jun 2022, 1:42 am

Anyway, back to Uvalde,
at least there was not that kind of thing in my life,
"
All the while, Ramos’s family life was also reportedly crumbling, much like his social life.

Two months ago, Ramos posted an Instagram story video in which he could be heard screaming at his mother, who had a substance abuse problem, according to The Post.

According to neighbors who spoke with the Post, it was not uncommon to see the police at Ramos’s house.

“I think he needed mental help. And more closure with his family. And love,” said Stephen Garcia, who considered himself Ramos’s best friend in middle school.
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ABC 7 News
Texas shooter struggled with mental health, family dysfunction, was fascinated with guns
by ALEC SCHEMMEL | The National DeskWednesday, May 25th 2022
https://abc7amarillo.com/news/local/tex ... ando-ramos


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01 Jun 2022, 2:14 am

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
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And I most certainly do not believe being bullied is character building. It f***s people up. I can understand why someone would kill themselves, but I don't understand why they would kill innocent people.


The deciding factor is the known thing about anger turned inward versus anger turned outward.


Fair point.

Outward anger makes sense if it's directed towards the bullies.


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01 Jun 2022, 2:23 am

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Outward anger makes sense if it's directed towards the bullies.

Anger toward one thing is easily hijacked when there is other chaos in life, and fed to become more extreme and to be pushed in other directions.
And that is where anger then moves beyond the sensible boundary.


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01 Jun 2022, 2:46 am

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
Where_am_I wrote:
Outward anger makes sense if it's directed towards the bullies.

Anger toward one thing is easily hijacked when there is other chaos in life,
and fed to become more extreme and to be pushed in other directions.
And that is where anger then moves beyond the sensible boundary.


This is how brainwashing tactics work.
"Bait and switch." 8)


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If I'm so bad, pass me by. ;)


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Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

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01 Jun 2022, 4:23 am

Okay this is odd…. Now news here reports on KTLA at 3:40 am on wed. June 1 that the police would not take out the boy with the gun. But a Border Patrol Team intervened and shot and killed the young man .
Fun and interesting plot twists as we go along with this .
Seems almost a recipe for radicalizing the boy was in the works ? :skull:
(Where was the “five eyes , Echelon” system during all this ) .
{ Five eyes= international security surveillance system , between USA and Australia and 3 other countries for
International security for internal And external security intensive mass surveillance.} from the 1990s. :cyclopsani: .


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01 Jun 2022, 4:56 am

I don’t believe bullying is “character-building.”

I just believe he shouldn’t have taken his being bullied out on those little kids. What’s wrong with that notion?

I believe he was a homicidal maniac. I don’t believe anybody here is showing any sympathy for the homicidal maniac.



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