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01 Aug 2022, 2:45 pm

We need TWO new parties. Right centrist and left centrist. What exists now are far right and far left.


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01 Aug 2022, 2:56 pm

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We need TWO new parties. Right centrist and left centrist. What exists now are far right and far left.


No. You have two economic far right partoes, one conservative, one liberal.

If you think the dems are far left, for the love of god, read a book.


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01 Aug 2022, 3:56 pm

Fnord wrote:
The following "Centrist" parties already exist:

• Alliance Party (United States)
• American Solidarity Party
• Citizens Party
• Reform Party of the United States of America
• Serve America Movement
• United States Pirate Party (joke?)
• Unity Party of America
Some of those might have "issues":
=>- Wikipedia's description of the American Solidarity Party seems to suggest it has a religious bias [article]
=>- Wikipedia says the Citizens Party dissolved [article]
=>- Wikipedia's description of the Reform Party of the USA confusingly includes a section labelled "Collapse" [article]

The Serve America Movement merged with the Forward Party. [article]

Oddly, Wikipedia indicates the United States Pirate Party might not be a joke. I'm a little confused by what it says about the party's positions, though. [article]


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01 Aug 2022, 4:01 pm

Double Retired wrote:
Fnord wrote:
The following "Centrist" parties already exist:

• Alliance Party (United States)
• American Solidarity Party
• Citizens Party
• Reform Party of the United States of America
• Serve America Movement
• United States Pirate Party (joke?)
• Unity Party of America
Some of those might have "issues":
=>- Wikipedia's description of the American Solidarity Party seems to suggest it has a religious bias [article]
=>- Wikipedia says the Citizens Party dissolved [article]
=>- Wikipedia's description of the Reform Party of the USA confusingly includes a section labelled "Collapse" [article]

The Serve America Movement merged with the Forward Party. [article]

Oddly, Wikipedia indicates the United States Pirate Party might not be a joke. I'm a little confused by what it says about the party's positions, though. [article]
Good.  You checked my citations.  That is why I put them there.

What this all boils down to is that so-called "Moderate" or "Third" parties have been around for a long time, and that they do not seem to be as popular as the two main parties.



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01 Aug 2022, 4:02 pm

A better idea is to assert moderate ideas within a Democratic or Republican framework.



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01 Aug 2022, 4:03 pm

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A better idea is to assert moderate ideas within a Democratic or Republican framework.
May as well insert hot Chinese mustard into a pair of jelly donuts.

It may be interesting in the short term, but you will lose a few friends really fast.



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01 Aug 2022, 4:10 pm

Back a couple of generations ago, we had many viewpoints within both the Democratic and the Republican parties. There were liberal Republicans, and conservative Democrats. And many ideas in between. Debate was vociferous----yet, it was respectful.

This "our way or the highway" thing of the present generation within both parties, to me, stymies progress.



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01 Aug 2022, 4:39 pm

Fnord wrote:
Double Retired wrote:
Fnord wrote:
The following "Centrist" parties already exist:

• Alliance Party (United States)
• American Solidarity Party
• Citizens Party
• Reform Party of the United States of America
• Serve America Movement
• United States Pirate Party (joke?)
• Unity Party of America
Some of those might have "issues":
=>- Wikipedia's description of the American Solidarity Party seems to suggest it has a religious bias [article]
=>- Wikipedia says the Citizens Party dissolved [article]
=>- Wikipedia's description of the Reform Party of the USA confusingly includes a section labelled "Collapse" [article]

The Serve America Movement merged with the Forward Party. [article]

Oddly, Wikipedia indicates the United States Pirate Party might not be a joke. I'm a little confused by what it says about the party's positions, though. [article]
Good.  You checked my citations.  That is why I put them there.

What this all boils down to is that so-called "Moderate" or "Third" parties have been around for a long time, and that they do not seem to be as popular as the two main parties.


EXTREME right, and extreme left, parties have also been around for a long time. But those arent as 'popular' as the two main parties either.



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01 Aug 2022, 4:46 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
EXTREME right, and extreme left, parties have also been around for a long time. But those aren't as 'popular' as the two main parties either.
A debatable point, but not one worth spreading out over several pages of nit-picking and speculative arguments.



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01 Aug 2022, 4:49 pm

Fnord wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
EXTREME right, and extreme left, parties have also been around for a long time. But those aren't as 'popular' as the two main parties either.
A debatable point, but not one worth spreading out over several pages of nit-picking and speculative arguments.


Its not 'debatable'. its a fact.

Right on the ballot you have the Green Party (left), and the Libertarian (a certain kind of far right). Socialist (far left). And parties that dont make in on the ballot. Communist, Nazi, and the "Rent is too High Party", and etc.



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01 Aug 2022, 5:00 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Fnord wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
EXTREME right, and extreme left, parties have also been around for a long time. But those aren't as 'popular' as the two main parties either.
A debatable point, but not one worth spreading out over several pages of nit-picking and speculative arguments.
Its not 'debatable'. its a fact.

Right on the ballot you have the Green Party (left), and the Libertarian (a certain kind of far right). Socialist (far left). And parties that dont make in on the ballot. Communist, Nazi, and the "Rent is too High Party", and etc.
You left out the "Trump For Fuhrer" party and the "Pelosi Is God" party.  The extremists are constantly mutating and spawning new offspring, even when those offspring are not officially on any ballot.



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01 Aug 2022, 5:17 pm

During most of yours and my lifetimes it was the two mainstream parties that were...mainstream. Slightly right, and slightly left of center. The little splinter parties were for the extremists out in the far left and far right fringes.

But yes...the two main parties have moved away from the center somewhat. So in recent years you can be a 'radical' just by being a centrist.

So...I decided to become...a Gerald Ford terrorist! For the new fanatical extreme-middle-of-the-road! We call ourselves...The "White Stripers"! (after the painted lines in the middle of a road) because we are SO deep ...into the center! :lol:



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01 Aug 2022, 6:09 pm

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So...I decided to become...a Gerald Ford terrorist! For the new fanatical extreme-middle-of-the-road! We call ourselves...The "White Stripers"! (after the painted lines in the middle of a road) because we are SO deep ...into the center! :lol:


So... The extreme middle of the road top income tax under Gerald Ford was 70%.
Where would a Gerald-Ford-extreme-middle-terrorist today position himself in relation to that?


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01 Aug 2022, 7:17 pm

The elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about -- Lots of people will vote for Joe Biden strictly because his name isn't Donald Trump, and lots of people will vote for Donald Trump strictly because his name isn't Joe Biden.



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01 Aug 2022, 7:30 pm

That ain’t no elephant in the room!

Them’s two tired old hound dawgs sittin’ under the porch!


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01 Aug 2022, 7:47 pm

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The elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about -- Lots of people will vote for Joe Biden strictly because his name isn't Donald Trump, and lots of people will vote for Donald Trump strictly because his name isn't Joe Biden.


Not exactly.

Biden supporters support Biden because he is not Trump. That part is true.

But Trumpers support Trump because they think Trump is God (we all know that Elvis, Jesus, and both JFK, and JFK Jr. are going to return to Dealey Plaza in Dallas to usher in the new reign of Trump).

So its a contest between Trump hate vs Trump worship. Not between Trump hate and Biden hate.