Judge blocks DeSantis's "Stop Woke Act'

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21 Aug 2022, 7:39 am

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This is dumb, what about when work places require their employers to take courses on sexual harrassment? Why is this any different?


Does De Santis have daughters?



But isn't it also violation of freedom of speech of how to talk to women at work? Why make them feel safe?


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21 Aug 2022, 7:59 pm

The discussion made me want to see exactly what this act is, so I found a link to a handout

https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/upload ... andout.pdf

Which leads me to immediately wonder how the heck a piece of legislation can depend on such inherently gray slang terminology as "woke."

So here is the legislation, which is a mouthful, not in the least bit clear, and seemingly open to kind of interpretation League Girl is worried about:

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2 ... ext/er/PDF

In other words, it reads to me like a witch hunt act, where anyone can accuse anyone of violating the law.

Despise the concept of "woke" or not, this law is a free speech disaster.


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21 Aug 2022, 8:01 pm

League_Girl wrote:
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This is dumb, what about when work places require their employers to take courses on sexual harrassment? Why is this any different?


Does De Santis have daughters?



But isn't it also violation of freedom of speech of how to talk to women at work? Why make them feel safe?


Key concept is that anyone's free speech ends where it starts to stomp on another person's rights. The right to be safe is a pretty key right.

You are asking good questions; the act could be interpreted to squash sexual harassment training, IMHO.


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21 Aug 2022, 9:00 pm

League_Girl wrote:
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This is dumb, what about when work places require their employers to take courses on sexual harrassment? Why is this any different?


Does De Santis have daughters?



But isn't it also violation of freedom of speech of how to talk to women at work? Why make them feel safe?

The MAGAs don't care about women's safety
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/list-tr ... d=51956410



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21 Aug 2022, 9:15 pm

I think that Woke will fizzle out on its own, eventually.


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27 Aug 2022, 8:10 pm

What is the woke act exactly?



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27 Aug 2022, 8:29 pm

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What is the woke act exactly?


Google it
https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/upload ... andout.pdf

It's something akin to Goebbal's Nazi era propaganda



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27 Aug 2022, 8:30 pm

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What is the woke act exactly?


It's the political equivalent of a brushback pitch, a law blocking certain types of diversity training that is probably not legal, but serves as a warning to companies in the state to cool it with the ideological imposition on their workers.


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27 Aug 2022, 8:39 pm

Oh okay, what kind of types of training?



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27 Aug 2022, 8:41 pm

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Oh okay, what kind of types of training?


The type that teaches that all white people are born racist and need to spend their lives atoning for it, for example.


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27 Aug 2022, 9:47 pm

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[but serves as a warning to companies in the state to cool it with the ideological imposition on their workers.


You mean asking workers not to be racist, sexist or abelist to their co-workers?



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27 Aug 2022, 10:03 pm

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Oh okay, what kind of types of training?


The type that teaches that all white people are born racist and need to spend their lives atoning for it, for example.


Oh I see. Well that's just dumb. Other races have committed racist acts as well so how can anyone believe that...



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27 Aug 2022, 10:04 pm

ironpony wrote:
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Oh okay, what kind of types of training?


The type that teaches that all white people are born racist and need to spend their lives atoning for it, for example.


Oh I see. Well that's just dumb. Other races have committed racist acts as well so how can anyone believe that...


Nobody is trying to cover that up though



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27 Aug 2022, 10:21 pm

Oh well it's just that why isn't the woke act teaching that though, if they are just teaching that the white race is capable of racist acts.



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28 Aug 2022, 2:53 am

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Oh well it's just that why isn't the woke act teaching that though, if they are just teaching that the white race is capable of racist acts.


That's not true. De Santis is spreading misinformation about the education system. He's brown nosing Trump who made similar lies. There is no attempt by anybody on the left to censure any part of history or culture of any group,



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28 Aug 2022, 5:09 am

Dox47 wrote:
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Oh okay, what kind of types of training?


The type that teaches that all white people are born racist and need to spend their lives atoning for it, for example.

I actually had to attend a training session like that.