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26 Aug 2022, 3:58 pm

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Teachers have a responsibility to protect children.  They can be charged for going to the freaking bathroom during class.  They can be charged for not reporting suspected abuse, no matter how minor.  They can be fired (and charged) for being alone in a classroom with a student, with the door shut.  But the chief of police can allow cops to stand outside the door listening to kids being murdered . . .
Those yellow-bellied cowards deserve every drop of spit directed their way.


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26 Aug 2022, 4:14 pm

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I would charge him with murder, or manslaughter x 21.
He was complicit in all of those deaths by his dereliction of duty.


I think being a coward doesn't warrant dying in prison.


Being a student or a teacher doesn't warrant dying in class.
Especially when the cops are doing SFA.


Is that the best response you have?



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26 Aug 2022, 4:15 pm

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I would charge him with murder, or manslaughter x 21.
He was complicit in all of those deaths by his dereliction of duty.


I think being a coward doesn't warrant dying in prison.


Being a student or a teacher doesn't warrant dying in class.
Especially when the cops are doing SFA.


Is that the best response you have?
Are you defending cowards?


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26 Aug 2022, 4:15 pm

Fnord wrote:
Those yellow-bellied cowards deserve every drop of spit directed their way.



They swear an oath to serve and protect.
The whole point of their job is that they are willing to risk their lives for others.

It's like doctors who must "do no harm".
Doctors get charged with murder for making mistakes administering fatal drugs.

What's the difference?



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26 Aug 2022, 4:18 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Those yellow-bellied cowards deserve every drop of spit directed their way.



They swear an oath to serve and protect.
The whole point of their job is that they are willing to risk their lives for others.

It's like doctors who must "do no harm".
Doctors get charged with murder for making mistakes administering fatal drugs.

What's the difference?


That they don't spend the rest of their lives in prison for a mistake made in a single day........



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26 Aug 2022, 4:20 pm

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That they don't spend the rest of their lives in prison for a mistake made in a single day........



Or the rest of eternity dead, because the people paid to protect them couldn't be arsed to help?

(Don't even start me on the lifelong trauma experienced by survivors who pled with 911 for help.)



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26 Aug 2022, 4:21 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Those yellow-bellied cowards deserve every drop of spit directed their way.
They swear an oath to serve and protect.
The whole point of their job is that they are willing to risk their lives for others.

It's like doctors who must "do no harm".
Doctors get charged with murder for making mistakes administering fatal drugs.

What's the difference?
The cowardice exhibited by the Uvalde police chief was a conscious choice -- not a mistake -- while the accidental administration of a fatal drug is just that -- accidental.


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26 Aug 2022, 4:21 pm

There was a lack of MORALS on the part of the police. And lack of empathy. Suppose it was THEIR kids?



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26 Aug 2022, 4:23 pm

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The cowardice exhibited by the Uvalde police chief was a conscious choice -- not a mistake -- while the accidental administration of a fatal drug is just that -- accidental


Usually, yes.

Some psycho doctors or nurses do it on purpose but most are mistakes.

There's no mistake if you're the chief of police.

Sorry I wasn't ranting at you, Fnord.



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26 Aug 2022, 4:38 pm

Fnord wrote:
Nades wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Nades wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
I would charge him with murder, or manslaughter x 21.
He was complicit in all of those deaths by his dereliction of duty.


I think being a coward doesn't warrant dying in prison.


Being a student or a teacher doesn't warrant dying in class.
Especially when the cops are doing SFA.


Is that the best response you have?
Are you defending cowards?


Against unfair punishments, yes.



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26 Aug 2022, 4:45 pm

I didn't say throw him in prison for the rest of his life (as much as I'd love that.)
I said charge him.

Let him get a lawyer and defend his actions against his job title.
Then if he is found guilty by a jury of his peers, let him face sentencing.

This isn't a case of "shite happens".

It was a calculated decision not to do his job.
That's why he was fired, so it's already been determined that he didn't do the right thing.



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26 Aug 2022, 4:47 pm

They should be used as an example of how NOT to respond to a gun-toter in a school.

The film of this should be presented at police academies everywhere.



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26 Aug 2022, 4:49 pm

Imagine your house is on fire and you call the fire brigade.

They arrive on scene and stand there watching your house burn down with your kids inside dying.

They tell you they were scared of fire.

Um, no.



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26 Aug 2022, 4:50 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Fnord wrote:
The cowardice exhibited by the Uvalde police chief was a conscious choice -- not a mistake -- while the accidental administration of a fatal drug is just that -- accidental.
Usually, yes.  Some psycho doctors or nurses do it on purpose but most are mistakes.  There's no mistake if you're the chief of police.  Sorry I wasn't ranting at you, Fnord.
You are correct, of course.

Psychos seem to exist in every profession.  Sadly, such people also seem to take pleasure in hurting others or allowing other people to get hurt.  In this respect, the Uvalde chief of police was on par with the shooter -- one observed the other commit murder, and acted only when the shooter ran out of victims.


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26 Aug 2022, 4:51 pm

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I didn't say throw him in prison for the rest of his life (as much as I'd love that.)
I said charge him.

Let him get a lawyer and defend his actions against his job title.
Then if he is found guilty by a jury of his peers, let him face sentencing.

This isn't a case of "shite happens".

It was a calculated decision not to do his job.
That's why he was fired, so it's already been determined that he didn't do the right thing.


The charges you said he should face, especially multiple counts of murder usually carry a mandatory life sentence. Multiple charges of manslaughter while much lesser is also dealt with in a trigger happy manner by US courts.

In response to you fire post, firemen actually do refuse to go inside burning buildings if the risks are too high even if other lives are in serious danger.



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26 Aug 2022, 4:52 pm

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This isn't a case of "shite happens".  It was a calculated decision not to do his job.  That's why he was fired, so it's already been determined that he didn't do the right thing.
Quoted for Truth.


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