Anti medical transition activist says she is autistic

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13 Sep 2022, 1:35 pm

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your teenage daughter being under withering personal attacks and threats is not a situation where it should be impossible to not to help/interfere I don’t know what such a situation would be. Sometimes a parent has to be a parent.

We don't know what kind of help or support she might be getting from her parents behind the scenes. We also know nothing about her parents' overall situation.

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I am going to be 65 and I doubt I could handle being a notable person in the culture war issue of the moment. Add that not only is she still a teen but the mental ringer she has been through first with the decision to transition then realizing it was wrong for her.

At least some teenagers might be better able to handle this (emotionally, at least) than many adults. Teenagers are notoriously fearless.

We just don't have enough information to judge this aspect of the situation one way or the other.

Anyhow, I notice that the Forbes article has been taken down, for whatever reason.

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When the Blade asked her, “Why would your parents want to avoid the spotlight yet leave you unprotected?”and subsequently asked about her relationship with her mother and father, Cole declined to respond.

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Avoiding the spotlight and being left unprotected are not necessarily the same thing. Whether an over-site or not the unprotected part was not disputed.

That Forbes dropped the article is curious. Possible reasons for it being dropped are.
1. There is little original reporting in the article
2. The article being quoted is slanted for medical transition and proving Chloe is lying or being used
3. The article reporting on autism is sloppy
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Following publication, activist Chloe Cole tweeted that she is autistic, as both an explanation for why she sometimes struggles with her responses to lawmakers and journalists, and to complain she was mocked in the Blade article for her disability. Her autism was not something Cole disclosed this in multiple tweets, direct messages and email exchanges with this reporter. Autism is not something anyone should mock, and although disclosure is never a prerequisite, Cole only opted to blame her struggles on autism following publication of her story in the Blade. This version includes that information.


Following publication of this story in the Blade, Cole tweeted that the reason for her speech issues is autism, and accused this reporter of making fun of her.

There was also one media reference to her autism I found, post-publication, in the far right outlet The Epoch Times.


Los Angeles Blade Article
California ex-trans teen is national right-wing media’s darling Cole has become the poster child for far-right politicians and religious conservatives working to ban these lifesaving medical treatments
No mention of autism in the article

From her twitter account
“ You didn’t ask me if I was autistic, how would I know you were going to dig in deep on one of my autistic tendencies? When writing a piece on a detransitioner a normal journalist would just do a quick search to see if she has any comorbid conditions. You’d find this tweet”

“Thanks, I’ll take that as a compliment. I would be open to getting PR coached in the future bc I am Autistic and have a super hard time with live confrontation”

Epoch Times Article
Ex-Transgender Teen Recounts ‘Horrifying’ Experience of Transition, Surgery
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Diagnosed with ADHD at a young age, Cole now believes she’s “on the spectrum.”

“There is really a high comorbidity rate between gender dysphoria and autism,” she said.



Considering Chloe has been a public activist for an opinion many here stridently oppose and find triggering the restraint from personal attacks on her has been pleasant surprise.


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13 Sep 2022, 3:09 pm

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There's been a lot of talk lately about the sort of jump to push a trans identity on gender nonconforming youth, who in previous generations would likely have either aged out of it or come out as gay, where as now many of them are steered on the path to medicalization, which is concerning.

If indeed this is happening to any significant extent, I would agree that it's concerning.

I've seen worries, by some feminists, that plain old-fashioned gender-conformist pressures have been increasing in today's world too, leaving many young people with the impression that their only options are either to conform fully to mainstream gender roles or to be trans.

I'm not sufficiently in touch with today's youth culture to know the extent to which there is any truth to these worries.

If indeed this is a significant problem, then it seems to me that the best solution would be to provide more support for young people who are gender-nonconforming but not trans. Hopefully this could be done without making life harder for trans people.


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13 Sep 2022, 7:55 pm

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Yeah that’s rubbish, it’s very hard for trans youth to access gender-affirming care, even basic stuff like puberty blockers. Waiting lists are typically very long, and that’s even if they have parents and primary care physicians who support them.

It’s also worth noting that the vast majority of those who do receive care do not “age out” of it. Something like 95%. For comparison, MMR is 88% effective against mumps.


Maybe in the UK, it's shockingly easy to get on blockers here in the US. I'm also not sure where you got that statistic, are you referring specifically to people with a formal GD diagnosis? I'm talking about the phenomenon of people who might be a bit androgynous or gender atypical being pushed towards the trans identity, which is a real thing that's occurring.


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13 Sep 2022, 9:53 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
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There's been a lot of talk lately about the sort of jump to push a trans identity on gender nonconforming youth, who in previous generations would likely have either aged out of it or come out as gay, where as now many of them are steered on the path to medicalization, which is concerning.


Because we know they are suffering in the state in which they exist. We KNOW that.

Why can't people just accept them as they want to be and use the pronouns and names and bathrooms they request so they explore their identity in peace? Wouldn't that reduce their suffering?

It's time to find a way to isolate the variables.


As someone who'spe transgender, I agree. I think it's about time that people accept the pronouns and washrooms that people wish to use and the things that people want to wear. We need to get out of this body part equals male or female thinking.


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14 Sep 2022, 6:47 am

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Yeah that’s rubbish, it’s very hard for trans youth to access gender-affirming care, even basic stuff like puberty blockers. Waiting lists are typically very long, and that’s even if they have parents and primary care physicians who support them.

It’s also worth noting that the vast majority of those who do receive care do not “age out” of it. Something like 95%. For comparison, MMR is 88% effective against mumps.


Maybe in the UK, it's shockingly easy to get on blockers here in the US. I'm also not sure where you got that statistic, are you referring specifically to people with a formal GD diagnosis? I'm talking about the phenomenon of people who might be a bit androgynous or gender atypical being pushed towards the trans identity, which is a real thing that's occurring.

Firstly, it should be easy to get on blockers. They’re the recommended course of treatment and are very safe. If they’re not easily available, well, we know that fighting wars on drugs doesn’t work. Risk is, as with recreational drugs, people will get desperate and buy from shady characters without guarantees of product quality or medical oversight. You don’t have to spend long talking to trans people to meet someone who bought hormones on the dark web.

Secondly, access is very poor in the US. If you happen to live in a city with a specialist clinic then you can be seen quickly, particularly if you have generous insurance or pay out of pocket. If you live in the South or Midwest, then you don’t have that luxury. You’re likely to encounter resistance from your primary doctor and need to travel long distances to see a specialist.

Thirdly, being trans is highly stigmatised. Why do you think so many people only come out deep into adulthood? No, androgynous and gay children are not being pushed into being trans, because being trans is worse socially than being androgynous or gay. Trans kids are more likely to be bullied than cis gay or bi kids, who are more likely to be bullied than cis straight kids.

Fourthly, on statistics, this is very well studied again. I talking about both those who receive medical treatment - which of course requires a diagnosis of gender dysphoria (see: https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2018/0 ... -treatment) and those who socially transition before 18.

I was wrong about 95%, although that’s probably within the margin of error. Most recent research puts the number at 97.5%. Of those who “detransition”, a majority do so before the age of 10, and about one in three will “retransition”. https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics ... Transition

In both cases, the studies were conducted in the US.

Honestly, I thought we as a society were moving beyond this sort of moral panic… evidently not. It’s worse than I can ever remember “gay panic” being but I’m aware that the 1980s and 90s were worse than anything I can remember. I know you’re a smart, thoughtful, and reasonable guy who is surrounded by progressive types, so if your estimations of what things are like are so far from what the literature is saying then what do people without your advantages think? What sort of reception do you think trans kids in rural Arkansas get?



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14 Sep 2022, 2:04 pm

Oh boy, looks like I'm going to have to do an information dump later when I'm at my desktop, the science on blockers is particularly sketchy.


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16 Sep 2022, 11:02 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
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There's been a lot of talk lately about the sort of jump to push a trans identity on gender nonconforming youth, who in previous generations would likely have either aged out of it or come out as gay, where as now many of them are steered on the path to medicalization, which is concerning.


Because we know they are suffering in the state in which they exist. We KNOW that.

Why can't people just accept them as they want to be and use the pronouns and names and bathrooms they request so they explore their identity in peace? Wouldn't that reduce their suffering?

It's time to find a way to isolate the variables.


As someone who'spe transgender, I agree. I think it's about time that people accept the pronouns and washrooms that people wish to use and the things that people want to wear. We need to get out of this body part equals male or female thinking.


Well... The overwhelming majority of people identify with their gender assigned at birth. I'd suggest that what this case illustrates is that we need to stop thinking everyone who identifies with their assigned gender necessarily does so at all times and with conviction - and everyone who doesn't show that conviction must necessarily be trans and require surgery. I think making ro for some grey area to figure things out needs to be established in this discourse, and that goes in both directions, towards trans activists as well as transphobes.
As a society we're just really bad at handling grey areas like that.


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18 Sep 2022, 10:36 pm

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As a society we're just really bad at handling grey areas like that.


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19 Sep 2022, 5:28 pm

Chloe can own her own life & possible mistakes, no reason to shove her crap on trans people who make their own decisions whether to transition or not and to what extent - HRT, some surgeries, all the surgeries etc. To each their own and what works for them - and I say this personally knowing several trans people who've had varying degrees of transition procedures & Zero of them saying they have any regrets about doing the things that allow them to live as their authentic selves.


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Chloe can own her own life & possible mistakes, no reason to shove her crap on trans people who make their own decisions whether to transition or not and to what extent - HRT, some surgeries, all the surgeries etc. To each their own and what works for them - and I say this personally knowing several trans people who've had varying degrees of transition procedures & Zero of them saying they have any regrets about doing the things that allow them to live as their authentic selves.


The issue isn't adults making decisions for themselves, but kids. It's a tough spot for a parent, as I noted in my other posts. You want to defer all permanent life-altering decisions because you know your child in a decade will be very different from your child today, but at the same time if your child is in visible pain at the moment you will do anything you can to stop the suffering. As I said, I can't help but wonder if some of the pressure and pain could be lessened for kids by forming a more welcoming world around them that isn't based on body parts, thus reducing the pressure to make the outside match the inside before a mind is fully developed.


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20 Sep 2022, 12:23 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
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Chloe can own her own life & possible mistakes, no reason to shove her crap on trans people who make their own decisions whether to transition or not and to what extent - HRT, some surgeries, all the surgeries etc. To each their own and what works for them - and I say this personally knowing several trans people who've had varying degrees of transition procedures & Zero of them saying they have any regrets about doing the things that allow them to live as their authentic selves.


The issue isn't adults making decisions for themselves, but kids. It's a tough spot for a parent, as I noted in my other posts. You want to defer all permanent life-altering decisions because you know your child in a decade will be very different from your child today, but at the same time if your child is in visible pain at the moment you will do anything you can to stop the suffering. As I said, I can't help but wonder if some of the pressure and pain could be lessened for kids by forming a more welcoming world around them that isn't based on body parts, thus reducing the pressure to make the outside match the inside before a mind is fully developed.


I see what you’re saying, buuut, if a kid Knows they’re trans and Wants puberty blockers to prevent their body from developing into who they know they aren’t.. denying them that medical intervention could be extremely distressing.

Definitely a case by case basis I think. Also, it’s a very low % that makes mistakes and have regrets. Why penalize the majority because a few don’t get it right for themselves?


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