How the Media Fell for A Racism Sham

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27 Sep 2022, 5:48 am

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While we haven't been able to establish that the heckling was racist in nature, I want to say one thing:

Racist heckling is NOT ok. Should a fan mean it or not, it has the potential to hit too close to home for the recipient. Most heckling clearly isn't based in any reality (your mama eats X, etc), but racist terms DO have an historical basis in reality. Today's athletes shouldn't HAVE to put up with what Jackie Robinson did. The racist taunts of the past weren't just random heckling; they carried actual hate; fans didn't believe Jackie Robinson had a right to be there playing. We're supposed to be better than that now.

So, no, just because it's heckling, does not make it OK to use racist language.

While I was not saying if it occurred it was ok, I was questioning if walkouts are the best way to handle it. As always it is situational. For example, A heckler saying something about a person's mother who just died was always unacceptable.

I can't figure out NT's sometimes, just implying racism something intent or not unacceptable, calling a player's mother a whore, well the fan paid for his seat he can say what he wants, Chris Rock making fun of a person's disease, Will Smith is a psycho for being triggered, it was just a joke(SMH).


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27 Sep 2022, 5:51 am

The story has completely died from the news.

BYU has now enacted rules in its home games involving shielding opposition players from their ugly fans,

The Richardson family have not released any press statements since Marvin met with BYU school representatives.

As with the Covington incident the underlying problem hasn't been addressed.



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27 Sep 2022, 6:04 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
I can't figure out NT's sometimes, just implying racism something intent or not unacceptable, calling a player's mother a whore, well the fan paid for his seat he can say what he wants, Chris Rock making fun of a person's disease, Will Smith is a psycho for being triggered, it was just a joke(SMH).


When someone calls a player's mother a whore, they aren't basing it on anything. They obviously don't know a thing about the player's mother. So it's entirely made up, a fabrication with the hope it could strike a chord.

But when someone uses a racist insult, it IS based on something real and tangible. People can't hide from their skin color. So it just became personal.


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27 Sep 2022, 7:32 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
I can't figure out NT's sometimes, just implying racism something intent or not unacceptable, calling a player's mother a whore, well the fan paid for his seat he can say what he wants, Chris Rock making fun of a person's disease, Will Smith is a psycho for being triggered, it was just a joke(SMH).


When someone calls a player's mother a whore, they aren't basing it on anything. They obviously don't know a thing about the player's mother. So it's entirely made up, a fabrication with the hope it could strike a chord.

But when someone uses a racist insult, it IS based on something real and tangible. People can't hide from their skin color. So it just became personal.

They know she is female. ”Whore” is a misogynistic term. There is no male equivalent, things are not usually said about players fathers.


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27 Sep 2022, 7:49 am

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The story has completely died from the news.

BYU has now enacted rules in its home games involving shielding opposition players from their ugly fans,

The Richardson family have not released any press statements since Marvin met with BYU school representatives.

As with the Covington incident the underlying problem hasn't been addressed.

Since it is died from the news most of us can not come to a definitive conclusion. My assumption is the enactment of the rules is virtue signaling. Unless they decide to sue I doubt you will hear anything more from the family. If they don’t sue maybe they don’t have the evidence, or maybe they just want it to go away to shield their daughter.

Underlying problem or concurrent problem?

Wokeism and racism should not be on trail here. Richardson and the fan are not a Rorschach test, they are people. They should be judged by what they did or did not do, not what BYU is like.


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27 Sep 2022, 12:28 pm

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And there you have it. It's precisely attitudes like yours which is why people who are the victims of racial vilification from white crowds at professional and school sporting events (and there's literally hundreds of examples of this on the internet) don't come forward. And when they are brave enough to take a stand (like Richardson) they face people like you who automatically take the position they lied or they are trouble makers or they are woke.


Except that there is no evidence of any racial slur being used, a claim you swallowed hook line and sinker without examination. Notice that I don't get caught up in fake stories while you make a habit of it, that's the fruit of healthy skepticism of the media.


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27 Sep 2022, 12:43 pm

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Did I not remind you to discuss the topic, not each other?


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27 Sep 2022, 2:15 pm

@Magz

If you leave up posts insinuating that I'm some kind of racist for being skeptical about these types of stories, I'm going to respond to it. This has been an ongoing issue with this member, as I'm sure you're well aware. I'm happy to stick to the topic, fake racism stories and why the media keeps falling for them, but I'm not going to ignore lies and slander, particularly when it comes from serial offenders who never seen to get sanctioned for it. I've been explicitly told that lying is not against the rules and thus not a moderator issue, but it's hard to point it out without it being perceived as an "attack" on the liar. I'm open to suggestions.


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27 Sep 2022, 5:54 pm

How exactly is it lying when I post links??

Selective judgement. Whenever I post something that requires correction cornflake corrects the information.

I prefer to leave that to rational moderators than the opinions of people who regularly derail threads and make false accusations whenever I am discussing the actual topic thread.



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27 Sep 2022, 9:14 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
I can't figure out NT's sometimes, just implying racism something intent or not unacceptable, calling a player's mother a whore, well the fan paid for his seat he can say what he wants, Chris Rock making fun of a person's disease, Will Smith is a psycho for being triggered, it was just a joke(SMH).


When someone calls a player's mother a whore, they aren't basing it on anything. They obviously don't know a thing about the player's mother. So it's entirely made up, a fabrication with the hope it could strike a chord.

But when someone uses a racist insult, it IS based on something real and tangible. People can't hide from their skin color. So it just became personal.

They know she is female. ”Whore” is a misogynistic term. There is no male equivalent, things are not usually said about players fathers.


I'm trying to figure out how to explain it. The difference is obvious to me; I can feel the difference in the insults if they were to come at me.

One is impersonal, a stab in the dark. Just because most people have a mother who is female, does not mean the heckler has any basis for referring to a player's mother as a whore. The player knows the heckler doesn't actually know his mother, and that the slur isn't based on an actual opinion of the woman. It's remote, it isn't personal. It could be directed at almost anyone on the field of play for they likely all have equal footing when it comes to having a mother. So even if it is yelled in your face specifically, it is something they could have and would have shouted at any player they wanted to rattle. Just a line they keep in their back pocket for purposes of heckling.

But if you are the only black player, or your team is the only one with black players, an insult related to race will hit home. You know they meant you because it is based on a visible difference between you and other players. It's personal.


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27 Sep 2022, 10:35 pm

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But if you are the only black player, or your team is the only one with black players, an insult related to race will hit home. You know they meant you because it is based on a visible difference between you and other players. It's personal.


This should be apparent that bullying people for how they are born isn't just restricted to the colour of their skin. Those same people are not tolerant of differences to start of with. No guesses which other group they probably dislike.

Racist people are unlikely to spend time helping or learning about disabled people because they would consider that "woke"
When I see erstwhile intelligent/articulate autistic people on this forum claim to be anti-woke they don't realise how ignorant that makes them sound.

Fixing racism will also fix abelism and viser et versa



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27 Sep 2022, 11:10 pm

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When I see erstwhile intelligent/articulate autistic people on this forum claim to be anti-woke they don't realise how ignorant that makes them sound.


Only to morons, whose opinions we really don't care about.


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27 Sep 2022, 11:34 pm

cyberdad wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
But if you are the only black player, or your team is the only one with black players, an insult related to race will hit home. You know they meant you because it is based on a visible difference between you and other players. It's personal.


This should be apparent that bullying people for how they are born isn't just restricted to the colour of their skin. Those same people are not tolerant of differences to start of with. No guesses which other group they probably dislike.

Racist people are unlikely to spend time helping or learning about disabled people because they would consider that "woke"
When I see erstwhile intelligent/articulate autistic people on this forum claim to be anti-woke they don't realise how ignorant that makes them sound.

Fixing racism will also fix abelism and viser et versa

The ignorance regarding wokeism lies in not seeing that it doesn't fix racism, but rather accentuates it and augments it by continually adding to what's defined as racism and who all falls for it needs to be continually at war with.

Being woke on our end means being led to be increasingly thin skinned and easily offended, while also becoming increasingly more demanding ie at constant never-ending war.

"We have always be at war with Eastasia" - 1984 by George Orwell



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28 Sep 2022, 12:39 am

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The ignorance regarding wokeism lies in not seeing that it doesn't fix racism, but rather accentuates it and augments it by continually adding to what's defined as racism and who all falls for it needs to be continually at war with.

Being woke on our end means being led to be increasingly thin skinned and easily offended, while also becoming increasingly more demanding ie at constant never-ending war.

"We have always be at war with Eastasia" - 1984 by George Orwell


That was precisely the lesson from the last time fascism arose. I'll quote pastor Martin Niemoller who was in Germany during Hitler's rise to power
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me



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28 Sep 2022, 1:23 am

As wokeism keeps adding to the list of what's supposed to be fascist. What's not called fascist today, will be called fascist tomorrow.



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28 Sep 2022, 2:49 am

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As wokeism keeps adding to the list of what's supposed to be fascist. What's not called fascist today, will be called fascist tomorrow.


How is it fascist to prevent racism?