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15 Sep 2022, 10:39 pm

So, this topic keeps popping up in other threads, and New York Magazine just dropped a massive and comprehensive article on the actual chain of events regarding the provenance of this infamous device and its contents, even if it reads as if the author is slightly terrified of the subject and has to keep clearing his throat about the wickedness of some of the players and the personal violation of privacy involved, so a new thread feels appropriate. This is a long article so I'm not going to try and quote it, though I might grab some snippets here and there later, but please read it if you've ever been curious about this thing, where it came from, what's on it, and how it was treated in the media, this journalist actually seems to have talked to most of the major players who were involved and paints an extremely interesting portrait of the whole squalid mess:

The Sordid Saga of Hunter Biden’s Laptop


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16 Sep 2022, 11:29 pm

Is Hunter Biden a ne'er-do-well? It seems so. Did he on occasion solicit help from his father in the past? Maybe. That said, this crusade against Biden by the right is a political move to offset investigations into their orange messiah/cinnamon Mussolini, and not to see justice done.
By the way, while the right won't admit this out loud, Tucker Carlson and Hunter Biden are close friends. Scumbags flock together.


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16 Sep 2022, 11:56 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

By the way, while the right won't admit this out loud, Tucker Carlson and Hunter Biden are close friends. Scumbags flock together.


Any wonder those on the right flip flop. BTW the MAGA god Trump was for many years close friends of the Clintons.



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17 Sep 2022, 12:46 am

cyberdad wrote:
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By the way, while the right won't admit this out loud, Tucker Carlson and Hunter Biden are close friends. Scumbags flock together.


Any wonder those on the right flip flop. BTW the MAGA god Trump was for many years close friends of the Clintons.


He most certainly had been.


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17 Sep 2022, 12:51 am

So has Tucker thrown his old friend Hunter under the bus yet?



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17 Sep 2022, 4:05 am

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So has Tucker thrown his old friend Hunter under the bus yet?


I'd be amazed if he hasn't. This is after Hunter helped Tucker get one of his kids in college.


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17 Sep 2022, 4:42 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
So has Tucker thrown his old friend Hunter under the bus yet?


I'd be amazed if he hasn't. This is after Hunter helped Tucker get one of his kids in college.


And the answer to that question is....drumroll....nope
As Tucker Carlson asked Hunter Biden for help getting his son into an elite Washington university in 2014, the Fox News host’s wife, Susie, reportedly wrote in an email: “Tucker and I have the greatest respect and admiration for you. Always!”

Since the 2020 election, however, Carlson has fueled rightwing attacks on Joe Biden’s son, particularly over business affairs in which he allegedly benefited from his father’s position.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... own-emails
No honour among criminals and thieves I guess



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20 Sep 2022, 5:45 pm

Wow, even Slate is getting in on this story now. Slate!

The Brewing Scandal Democrats Can No Longer Ignore

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I agree with that completely. At the same time, though, in trying to banish this topic, and in accusing all the people who care about this thing on the right of being in a bubble, I think that actually the people who ended up being in the bubble are the people in the mainstream media and liberal establishment who have no f*****g idea what the basic facts of this thing even are—have no idea if there ever was a laptop, if there’s data, if it was hacked.


Getting dangerously close to self awareness there.


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20 Sep 2022, 6:09 pm

Then again, Ken Starr was determined to get Clinton impeached over an allegedly corrupt real estate deal, but instead ended up looking like the fundie clown he was by persecuting the President over a semen stain on a blue dress. So let's just see what the laptop issue play out.
And very much unlike Trump's denial of his role in trying to overturn a legitimate election, or about how he had stolen classified secrets, and how he and his henchmen are dragging their feet to stop legal proceedings, we have yet to see any of that with Hunter Biden or his dad.


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20 Sep 2022, 6:32 pm

That's why I don't vote Republican or Democrat. They're both secretly in bed together.



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20 Sep 2022, 6:39 pm

Trump's transgressions are like watermelons

"The laptop" is like a cherry in comparison.



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20 Sep 2022, 9:32 pm

I think that laptop should be dug up, fair and square.


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20 Sep 2022, 11:31 pm

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Then again, Ken Starr was determined to get Clinton impeached over an allegedly corrupt real estate deal, but instead ended up looking like the fundie clown he was by persecuting the President over a semen stain on a blue dress. So let's just see how the laptop issue plays out.
And very much unlike Trump's denial of his role in trying to overturn a legitimate election, or about how he had stolen classified secrets, and how he and his henchmen are dragging their feet to stop legal proceedings, we have yet to see any of that with Hunter Biden or his dad.


Sorry, I must have had two different thoughts playing in my head simultaneously, so I fixed one particular sentence.


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21 Sep 2022, 12:05 am

What I feel are key points, exerted directly from the article unless otherwise noted:

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The most serious allegations remain unproved


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But the present stalemate, in which one side treats the subject with polite indifference while the other side foments and fundraises off it, is unsustainable. Maybe it will be broken by the Justice Department, which is reported to be conducting a wide-ranging criminal investigation into Hunter Biden, examining whether he violated various tax, money-laundering, and lobbying-disclosure laws.


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Whether or not he turns out to be the perpetrator of a crime, he is certainly the victim of a violation — an invasion of privacy that is staggering in its totality. Even the people who are responsible for disseminating the laptop admit that, on a human level, what happened to Hunter is horrifying. “A lot of stuff I do, I don’t feel great about,” says one of them, Steve Bannon. “But we’re in a war.”


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My observation from details in the article: Hunter was in a very bad place, personally, when he dropped off that computer.


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In right-wing circles, these texts have been construed to suggest there was a formal revenue-sharing agreement between Joe and Hunter, though looked at in a more forgiving light, they can be read as hyperbolic bitching.


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It proposed a corporate structure in which Hunter would own 20 percent of the company, with another 10 percent “held by H for the big guy.” The big guy, many on the right believe, was Joe Biden.


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There is little else on the laptop to suggest that Joe Biden profited from, or was even fully aware of, his son’s business activities. In 2017, the former vice-president was a private citizen, so partaking in the deal wouldn’t have been illegal


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And for all the time they have spent scrutinizing his emails and his dick pics, Maxey and others have yet to find any incontrovertible evidence of criminality


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Steve Bannon said that people who possess the laptop tend to read their own obsessions into it.


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At the same time, Mac Isaac said he was frustrated that so many parties, known and unknown, had ended up with copies of the hard drive, which he said had been modified considerably.


So after reading all that, my positions on the saga haven't really changed.
1) Hunter is not a political candidate. As such, his actions aren't really our business IMHO.
2) IF Joe Biden made money off illegal actions by Hunter, that could be another issue. But two problems: (a) no proof that he did get a share in any deals and (b) no proof that any of Hunter's deals were illegal (even if shameful or politically toxic).
3) The Justice Department and FBI have access to the original laptop and all the data it contains. Given that Hunter does not hold office, those are the appropriate agencies for determining if anything criminal occurred. Again, he's a private citizen, so the bar is criminal activity, NOT actions damaging to his reputation. And, as we know, government agencies ARE investigating Hunter.
4) I find it absolutely shameful how we tear up family members of politicians who don't hold office themselves, or work for their relative's administration. The man is vulnerable, we all already know that. But he is still a private citizen. Private citizens should not have their lives exposed to the public in this way. Is he protected from consequences on any criminal activity? No, and he should not be. But that so many people are digging into and watching intimate details of his private life really bothers me. I'm consistent on that: I want us out of Melania and Barron Trump's personal business, too. We have no right to be voyeurs to the lives on people who never put their names on a ballot. I realize its nothing unique to the Biden's that the US seems to love this type of gossip, but that does not make it morally right.
5) The information the public has access to is no longer reliable. Too many hands, too many opportunities for data falsification and corruption.


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21 Sep 2022, 12:08 am

cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
So has Tucker thrown his old friend Hunter under the bus yet?


I'd be amazed if he hasn't. This is after Hunter helped Tucker get one of his kids in college.


And the answer to that question is....drumroll....nope
As Tucker Carlson asked Hunter Biden for help getting his son into an elite Washington university in 2014, the Fox News host’s wife, Susie, reportedly wrote in an email: “Tucker and I have the greatest respect and admiration for you. Always!”

Since the 2020 election, however, Carlson has fueled rightwing attacks on Joe Biden’s son, particularly over business affairs in which he allegedly benefited from his father’s position.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... own-emails
No honour among criminals and thieves I guess


Which university?



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21 Sep 2022, 3:43 am

Worthless wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
So has Tucker thrown his old friend Hunter under the bus yet?


I'd be amazed if he hasn't. This is after Hunter helped Tucker get one of his kids in college.


And the answer to that question is....drumroll....nope
As Tucker Carlson asked Hunter Biden for help getting his son into an elite Washington university in 2014, the Fox News host’s wife, Susie, reportedly wrote in an email: “Tucker and I have the greatest respect and admiration for you. Always!”

Since the 2020 election, however, Carlson has fueled rightwing attacks on Joe Biden’s son, particularly over business affairs in which he allegedly benefited from his father’s position.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... own-emails
No honour among criminals and thieves I guess


Which university?


This one
https://wustl.edu/
It's a private university for rich kids