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28 Nov 2022, 2:26 am

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His mother in this article says he had threatened her with not just a bomb, but with his multiple weapons and ammo. I have to assume if he has ammunition, his weapons include more than just knives and batons.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/6721578/an ... ay-club-2/

And no, I'm not saying every gun enthusiast and collector is a gun nut. But a guy with a bunch of guns that he includes in his paranoid fantasies clearly is. The fact that gun enthusiasts around the country don't recognize a difference, and take the term "gun nut" as a personal slur, aren't helping.


Weak and reaching. Also, you use "gun nut" as a slur and then get mad when we react to it as such? That's real chutzpah.


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28 Nov 2022, 2:58 am

Man oh man… can you imagine rushing and tackling a gunman in a Gay(LBGTQ) night club… there is your Chutzpah .
Even if there is a word like that in The English language…….” For gay people”that does stand out against some more common MAGA stereotypes, I might presume.? . 8O


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28 Nov 2022, 3:03 am

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Man oh man… can you imagine rushing and tackling a gunman in a Gay(LBGTQ) night club . . . there is your Chutzpah . . .
Not Chutzpah . . . it was military training.  While everyone else was screaming in panic and diving for cover, two military veterans (Army and Navy) attacked and disarmed the shooter.


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28 Nov 2022, 3:17 am

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No . . . it was military training.  While everyone else was screaming in panic and diving for cover, two military veterans (Army and Navy) attacked and disarmed the shooter.


Correct, running towards the threat is a very rare response in humans, and inculcating it or at least muting the flight response is a major goal of military conditioning, at least as far as infantry goes. It's also tactically correct when the assailant is armed with a firearm, as closing the distance removes most of the advantages of the weapon and is often something the shooter is not prepared for, let alone to transition to another weapon more appropriate for extreme close quarters. The effect is most pronounced with a rifle, as inside a certain distance it becomes worse than useless, but even a handgun can be jammed up and turned into a liability if you're close enough.


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28 Nov 2022, 3:19 am

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Man oh man… can you imagine rushing and tackling a gunman in a Gay(LBGTQ) night club… there is your Chutzpah .
Even if there is a word like that in The English language…….” For gay people”that does stand out against some more common MAGA stereotypes, I might presume.? . 8O


Not that I particularly care about the IDPOL stuff here, but IIRC the guy who stopped the shooter (and beat the snot out of him with his own gun) was the (straight) father of a girl who was there on a date, just keeping things honest.


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28 Nov 2022, 3:51 am

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His mother in this article says he had threatened her with not just a bomb, but with his multiple weapons and ammo. I have to assume if he has ammunition, his weapons include more than just knives and batons.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/6721578/an ... ay-club-2/

And no, I'm not saying every gun enthusiast and collector is a gun nut. But a guy with a bunch of guns that he includes in his paranoid fantasies clearly is. The fact that gun enthusiasts around the country don't recognize a difference, and take the term "gun nut" as a personal slur, aren't helping.


Weak and reaching. Also, you use "gun nut" as a slur and then get mad when we react to it as such? That's real chutzpah.


Sure, I used "gun nut" as a slur... against the scumbag shooter.


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28 Nov 2022, 4:57 am

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Sure, I used "gun nut" as a slur... against the scumbag shooter.


You do know it's offensive to other gun nuts.



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28 Nov 2022, 6:02 am

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Sure, I used "gun nut" as a slur... against the scumbag shooter.


You do know it's offensive to other gun nuts.


I'm sure. The problem is, politically active gun enthusiasts have decided to become offended by that designation, even if not directed at them.


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28 Nov 2022, 10:31 am

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Man oh man… can you imagine rushing and tackling a gunman in a Gay(LBGTQ) night club… there is your Chutzpah .
Even if there is a word like that in The English language…….” For gay people”that does stand out against some more common MAGA stereotypes, I might presume.? . 8O


Not that I particularly care about the IDPOL stuff here, but IIRC the guy who stopped the shooter (and beat the snot out of him with his own gun) was the (straight) father of a girl who was there on a date, just keeping things honest.


If the goal is to obfuscate the thread using un common usage of abbreviations IIRC ??. And IDPOL ?..?
Quite effective , you might make note ?,Clarification requested ?After all it is a Aspie site on Wrong Planet Regardless of the correctness of identification of a Father of a girl escorted on a date
Takes away from the concept that perhaps gay/ LBGTQ individuals might not have done the same . Disable the shooter Under such circumstances. :roll:
(Seems to be implied by the way you have written the above Statement . ) ???? 8O
Then above all if this is a drinking establishment , and the Father thought it would be correct for him . To be in a bar with his daughter . It might convey the idea that his daughter was underage.?? Possibly a daughter of any age might not even wish to go to a public club , With a father as a escort. (But I was not there and cannot make opinion on the accuracy on that information). Usually a club of that type , it was bought to my attention that it is the norm,for entertainment places that serve, Liquor to crowds after hours would very probably have a bouncer. One might wonder about this … regarding a club of this type.Regardless the POINT
Being this so called straight parent and another did save many lives while BEING inside a gay LGBTQ
bar late at night. :D


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28 Nov 2022, 11:14 am

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Man oh man… can you imagine rushing and tackling a gunman in a Gay(LBGTQ) night club… there is your Chutzpah .
Even if there is a word like that in The English language…….” For gay people”that does stand out against some more common MAGA stereotypes, I might presume.? . 8O


Not that I particularly care about the IDPOL stuff here, but IIRC the guy who stopped the shooter (and beat the snot out of him with his own gun) was the (straight) father of a girl who was there on a date, just keeping things honest.


If the goal is to obfuscate the thread using un common usage of abbreviations IIRC ??. And IDPOL ?..?
Quite effective , you might make note ?,Clarification requested ?After all it is a Aspie site on Wrong Planet Regardless of the correctness of identification of a Father of a girl escorted on a date
Takes away from the concept that perhaps gay/ LBGTQ individuals might not have done the same . Disable the shooter Under such circumstances. :roll:
(Seems to be implied by the way you have written the above Statement . ) ???? 8O
Then above all if this is a drinking establishment , and the Father thought it would be correct for him . To be in a bar with his daughter . It might convey the idea that his daughter was underage.?? Possibly a daughter of any age might not even wish to go to a public club , With a father as a escort. (But I was not there and cannot make opinion on the accuracy on that information). Usually a club of that type , it was bought to my attention that it is the norm,for entertainment places that serve, Liquor to crowds after hours would very probably have a bouncer. One might wonder about this … regarding a club of this type.Regardless the POINT
Being this so called straight parent and another did save many lives while BEING inside a gay LGBTQ
bar late at night. :D


Wut? I gotta defend Dox47's post here big time.

I figured out immediately that idpol was short for Identity Politics. IIRC is an extremely common acronym for If I Recall Correctly.

Why would an underage girl be in a night club? :? Highly illegal and extremely expensive for the club if they're caught by a liquor inspector having anyone underage inside, hence doormen checking ID. The slightly strange bit is that a (I think) straight girl and her father are in a gay club -> I know she had gay friends there, so, chances are they were Invited by the gay guy(s) and others were chill with it. Otherwise a father/daughter, or bunch of straight girls or couples hanging out in gay clubs is an annoying taboo thing that ruins the atmosphere for gay guys who aren't there to be zoo exhibits for birthday and bridal parties to come see, but that's an entirely different topic.

Anyways, Dox47 started off saying he didn't particularly care (about the sexual orientation of the guy that stopped the attacker) and ended by saying he was just keeping things honest, which he was, so going on a rant about him somehow suggesting gay people wouldn't have been up to the task isn't very appropriate IMO.

What happened happened and that guy was there in the moment and did good work. If he didn't, maybe someone else would have, and maybe they'd have been gay, or bi, or trans or some cis straight bouncer - who knows who cares; Dox47 didn't say a word about gay people not taking on the task, only that the guy that did was heterosexual.


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28 Nov 2022, 11:52 am

I think they were there for a Drag show.Lots of straight people enjoy them because the entertainment is great.


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28 Nov 2022, 11:59 am

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Sure, I used "gun nut" as a slur... against the scumbag shooter.


You do know it's offensive to other gun nuts.



People can't tell between a gun nut and a gun owner who isn't a gun nut. Not all gun owners are gun nuts like how not all religious people are religious nutters and not all dog owners are dog nutters.


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28 Nov 2022, 2:32 pm

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Dox47 wrote:
Jakki wrote:
Man oh man… can you imagine rushing and tackling a gunman in a Gay(LBGTQ) night club… there is your Chutzpah .
Even if there is a word like that in The English language…….” For gay people”that does stand out against some more common MAGA stereotypes, I might presume.? . 8O


Not that I particularly care about the IDPOL stuff here, but IIRC the guy who stopped the shooter (and beat the snot out of him with his own gun) was the (straight) father of a girl who was there on a date, just keeping things honest.


If the goal is to obfuscate the thread using un common usage of abbreviations IIRC ??. And IDPOL ?..?
Quite effective , you might make note ?,Clarification requested ?After all it is a Aspie site on Wrong Planet Regardless of the correctness of identification of a Father of a girl escorted on a date
Takes away from the concept that perhaps gay/ LBGTQ individuals might not have done the same . Disable the shooter Under such circumstances. :roll:
(Seems to be implied by the way you have written the above Statement . ) ???? 8O
Then above all if this is a drinking establishment , and the Father thought it would be correct for him . To be in a bar with his daughter . It might convey the idea that his daughter was underage.?? Possibly a daughter of any age might not even wish to go to a public club , With a father as a escort. (But I was not there and cannot make opinion on the accuracy on that information). Usually a club of that type , it was bought to my attention that it is the norm,for entertainment places that serve, Liquor to crowds after hours would very probably have a bouncer. One might wonder about this … regarding a club of this type.Regardless the POINT
Being this so called straight parent and another did save many lives while BEING inside a gay LGBTQ
bar late at night. :D


Wut? I gotta defend Dox47's post here big time.

I figured out immediately that idpol was short for Identity Politics. IIRC is an extremely common acronym for If I Recall Correctly.

Why would an underage girl be in a night club? :? Highly illegal and extremely expensive for the club if they're caught by a liquor inspector having anyone underage inside, hence doormen checking ID. The slightly strange bit is that a (I think) straight girl and her father are in a gay club -> I know she had gay friends there, so, chances are they were Invited by the gay guy(s) and others were chill with it. Otherwise a father/daughter, or bunch of straight girls or couples hanging out in gay clubs is an annoying taboo thing that ruins the atmosphere for gay guys who aren't there to be zoo exhibits for birthday and bridal parties to come see, but that's an entirely different topic.

Anyways, Dox47 started off saying he didn't particularly care (about the sexual orientation of the guy that stopped the attacker) and ended by saying he was just keeping things honest, which he was, so going on a rant about him somehow suggesting gay people wouldn't have been up to the task isn't very appropriate IMO.

What happened happened and that guy was there in the moment and did good work. If he didn't, maybe someone else would have, and maybe they'd have been gay, or bi, or trans or some cis straight bouncer - who knows who cares; Dox47 didn't say a word about gay people not taking on the task, only that the guy that did was heterosexual.


Without references for the abbreviations , as am merely a average every day old Aspie … might have cast a little different light on that posting for me. Apologies for any offence that may have occurred . As personally have been witness to the facts while people stood around and got murdered . By NTs and a NT prosecuetor that would not even allow me to make a deposition to the Exact facts . [ In a Homicide] because , I was too sick to travel and out of State. even after asking the same prosecutor to be able to able to make a deposition . Due to this a murder is currently free on the streets . In that area.


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29 Nov 2022, 3:58 pm

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Anyways, Dox47 started off saying he didn't particularly care (about the sexual orientation of the guy that stopped the attacker) and ended by saying he was just keeping things honest, which he was, so going on a rant about him somehow suggesting gay people wouldn't have been up to the task isn't very appropriate IMO.


Thank you, I appreciate the unexpected defense. I think you can see I was trying to anticipate that exact misunderstanding, but apparently wasn't clear enough.


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29 Nov 2022, 4:50 pm

Am not defending my previous post here , So please let that be known first off, regarding previous post.
That being said .
Am feeling the need to State :
The Media is responsible in a big way in our Country for inflaming the wrong situations in a wrong way. IMHO
The Facts: a grown man went into a after hours alternative night club or even leave out alternative !
And murdered in cold blood and wounded several others . And was subdued by patrons .
Inflammatory statements: LBGTQ club and pretty much exact location, carrying many firearms more in his vehicle , and ammo, and additionally reporting some ambiguity claims by the suspect of his Gender concept .? :|

And not mentioned was this report was made regarding a strongly right wing area. This place , the business was operating as a low key establishment . Making money , paying all applicable taxes on their type of Beer and liquor establishment. Generally those licenses can be hard to get in some cases. Now we have a nationwide televised report of a violent activity in what might be a normally quiet business, leastwise in the daylight hours .
So having read from earlier unrelated issue news blurbs , Colorado being home to
Several militia type groups , reported by several local newspapers and internet broadcasts, I have personally read.
Generally often assumed to be right wing types . And those groups can be associated with some degree of homophobia , from associations , i have seen , and been around people professing to be of that type of group think.
And mostly held my tongue about bigotry levels .

[WHAT might possibly be the outcome] on the rather non descript business based on serving and entertaining a Niche type of crowd , and of course future Patrons. ???????? :roll: .
( For additional sarcastic comments on this topic , See Below)
I would never imply that a great many stations in those and my respective areas that i inhabit .
Lean towards a irresponsible reporting and or concern for associated humans actually involved


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29 Nov 2022, 5:21 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
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Sure, I used "gun nut" as a slur... against the scumbag shooter.


You do know it's offensive to other gun nuts.


I'm sure. The problem is, politically active gun enthusiasts have decided to become offended by that designation, even if not directed at them.


There are responsible gun enthusiasts, who would certainly have a lot of criticisms towards gun nuts. I for sure have never been 'against guns' per say. I think there should be proper regulations, but yeah that is about it I am not bothered about people being interested in guns but still I don't think just anyone should be able to buy whatever gun they want regardless of anything.

Kind of seems like if this shooter had gotten in trouble for making bomb threats and weapons threats before, he should not have been allowed to legally purchase the guns he used in this shooting, but from what I have heard so far he did buy them legally....so what is up with that?

Yet some people think anyone regardless of previous violent behavior should be able to get all the guns they want no matter what. That is the view I don't get...like they arent even willing to consider gun regulations, the only thing good enough for them is to allow even violent felons to get guns whenever they want.


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