22 Dec 2022, 3:53 am
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What type of people allow a 5 year old to transition!?
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25 Dec 2022, 1:29 am
Played in search engines looking for written content about the thing and while doing that, found,
Transgender Issues
Is Three Too Young for Children to Know They're a Different Gender? Transgender Researchers Disagree
07:03
Jon Brooks
Aug 26, 2018
https://www.kqed.org/futureofyou/440851 ... ransgender
Quote:
Many gender clinicians now recommend parents 'socially transition' kids who persistently express a transgender identity.
But research has shown most children will give up their transgender identity by the time they are adolescents.
Not all researchers agree, though, that this research is valid.
But research has shown most children will give up their transgender identity by the time they are adolescents.
Not all researchers agree, though, that this research is valid.
Hmm,
Quote:
How young is too young?
UCSF’s Diane Ehrensaft, one of the leading proponents of socially transitioning transgender children, believes there is no minimum age, really, to pursue such a change.'For all of these interventions, our model is stages not ages,” she said. 'When a child is at the place in their life that they can get themselves in focus, help us see them, and are clear, consistent, and stable in both their representation of themselves, and also can express their desires of how they want to live their gender, that's the age.'We have seen some kids as young as two whose parents are bringing them in because they're beginning to say, ‘Me not boy. Me girl.’ Social transition can happen as soon as a child has language or the ability to communicate to us who they are.'
UCSF’s Diane Ehrensaft, one of the leading proponents of socially transitioning transgender children, believes there is no minimum age, really, to pursue such a change.'For all of these interventions, our model is stages not ages,” she said. 'When a child is at the place in their life that they can get themselves in focus, help us see them, and are clear, consistent, and stable in both their representation of themselves, and also can express their desires of how they want to live their gender, that's the age.'We have seen some kids as young as two whose parents are bringing them in because they're beginning to say, ‘Me not boy. Me girl.’ Social transition can happen as soon as a child has language or the ability to communicate to us who they are.'
Another hmm,
Quote:
Not Just Numbers
When it comes down to it, when we talk about the controversy over socially transitioning young kids, we are talking about risk analysis. Which is more disruptive and potentially harmful: to deny children their genuinely felt gender identity in the present moment, until the adults are absolutely sure it will stick? Or to validate a child’s persistent, consistent and insistent protestations that ‘Hey, someone has made a terrible mistake here,’ even if they eventually decide they no longer feel that way?
Ehrensaft, at least, is clear on the answer:
“Why would we deny for the vast majority of kids something that is basically suicide prevention?”
When it comes down to it, when we talk about the controversy over socially transitioning young kids, we are talking about risk analysis. Which is more disruptive and potentially harmful: to deny children their genuinely felt gender identity in the present moment, until the adults are absolutely sure it will stick? Or to validate a child’s persistent, consistent and insistent protestations that ‘Hey, someone has made a terrible mistake here,’ even if they eventually decide they no longer feel that way?
Ehrensaft, at least, is clear on the answer:
“Why would we deny for the vast majority of kids something that is basically suicide prevention?”
Here's more about the UCSF professor named in 2nd quote,https://www.ucsfbenioffchildrens.org/pr ... -ehrensaft
and
http://dianeehrensaft.com/
25 Dec 2022, 6:44 am
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kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
Played in search engines looking for written content about the thing and while doing that, found,
Transgender Issues
Is Three Too Young for Children to Know They're a Different Gender? Transgender Researchers Disagree
07:03
Jon Brooks
Aug 26, 2018
https://www.kqed.org/futureofyou/440851 ... ransgender
Hmm,
Another hmm,
Here's more about the UCSF professor named in 2nd quote,
https://www.ucsfbenioffchildrens.org/pr ... -ehrensaft
and
http://dianeehrensaft.com/
Transgender Issues
Is Three Too Young for Children to Know They're a Different Gender? Transgender Researchers Disagree
07:03
Jon Brooks
Aug 26, 2018
https://www.kqed.org/futureofyou/440851 ... ransgender
Quote:
Many gender clinicians now recommend parents 'socially transition' kids who persistently express a transgender identity.
But research has shown most children will give up their transgender identity by the time they are adolescents.
Not all researchers agree, though, that this research is valid.
But research has shown most children will give up their transgender identity by the time they are adolescents.
Not all researchers agree, though, that this research is valid.
Hmm,
Quote:
How young is too young?
UCSF’s Diane Ehrensaft, one of the leading proponents of socially transitioning transgender children, believes there is no minimum age, really, to pursue such a change.'For all of these interventions, our model is stages not ages,” she said. 'When a child is at the place in their life that they can get themselves in focus, help us see them, and are clear, consistent, and stable in both their representation of themselves, and also can express their desires of how they want to live their gender, that's the age.'We have seen some kids as young as two whose parents are bringing them in because they're beginning to say, ‘Me not boy. Me girl.’ Social transition can happen as soon as a child has language or the ability to communicate to us who they are.'
UCSF’s Diane Ehrensaft, one of the leading proponents of socially transitioning transgender children, believes there is no minimum age, really, to pursue such a change.'For all of these interventions, our model is stages not ages,” she said. 'When a child is at the place in their life that they can get themselves in focus, help us see them, and are clear, consistent, and stable in both their representation of themselves, and also can express their desires of how they want to live their gender, that's the age.'We have seen some kids as young as two whose parents are bringing them in because they're beginning to say, ‘Me not boy. Me girl.’ Social transition can happen as soon as a child has language or the ability to communicate to us who they are.'
Another hmm,
Quote:
Not Just Numbers
When it comes down to it, when we talk about the controversy over socially transitioning young kids, we are talking about risk analysis. Which is more disruptive and potentially harmful: to deny children their genuinely felt gender identity in the present moment, until the adults are absolutely sure it will stick? Or to validate a child’s persistent, consistent and insistent protestations that ‘Hey, someone has made a terrible mistake here,’ even if they eventually decide they no longer feel that way?
Ehrensaft, at least, is clear on the answer:
“Why would we deny for the vast majority of kids something that is basically suicide prevention?”
When it comes down to it, when we talk about the controversy over socially transitioning young kids, we are talking about risk analysis. Which is more disruptive and potentially harmful: to deny children their genuinely felt gender identity in the present moment, until the adults are absolutely sure it will stick? Or to validate a child’s persistent, consistent and insistent protestations that ‘Hey, someone has made a terrible mistake here,’ even if they eventually decide they no longer feel that way?
Ehrensaft, at least, is clear on the answer:
“Why would we deny for the vast majority of kids something that is basically suicide prevention?”
Here's more about the UCSF professor named in 2nd quote,https://www.ucsfbenioffchildrens.org/pr ... -ehrensaft
and
http://dianeehrensaft.com/
I believe the point of the thread isn't to have a thoughtful discussion about this issue, but instead just to cause hysteria.
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23 Jan 2023, 5:20 pm
Quantum duck wrote:
Developmentally children do not understand that gender is fixed until three or four years of age. Before that, most of them are “gender fluid”. At around three they begin to identify with their own gender and attempt to identify the traits of that gender (based on their society) and emphasize them.
I taught preschool. I had never heard of transgender people, so I assumed Kevin was gay (which was fine with me) looking back - I’m confident that Kevin was exactly what she said she was - a little girl. I hope she grew into a happy, confident woman.
I taught preschool. I had never heard of transgender people, so I assumed Kevin was gay (which was fine with me) looking back - I’m confident that Kevin was exactly what she said she was - a little girl. I hope she grew into a happy, confident woman.
Reason would suggest there is a period in a child's life where the concept of "gender" is not recognised by the child.
Some seem to think that instinctual elements have been in play since conception.
Perhaps, but conscious gender identification at such an early age is an absurdity, surely.
It would have more to do with environmental influences at that time, imo.
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23 Jan 2023, 5:25 pm
PenPen wrote:
Right wing individualist arguments will probably fail as the data comes out that most people are set in their gender identity by a certain year before puberty/adulthood. Maybe some snags along the way, but the writing is on the wall. They would have to make a collectivist argument that representing your sex over gender is a responsibility you owe to society, but this contradicts the American goal of liberty. Support for this policy is already near 50%, so I suspect it will become a new norm with time.
Why bring politics into this?
Not all conservatives are religious.
You don't have to be "right-wing" to think rationally and appreciate individuality.
Simply following a narrative has always puzzled me, especially for those on the spectrum.
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