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03 Mar 2023, 12:57 pm
DeathFlowerKing wrote:
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Where do you get this notion that schools are teaching white people are inherently racist and not to be trusted?
From the same woke activists who have publicly stated many times that all white people are racist and only white people are racist?
Would you like me to find you a long list of examples?
Yes, find me some examples of people saying exactly that (rather than something that can be exaggerated into that with significant effort).
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03 Mar 2023, 12:59 pm
Dengashinobi wrote:
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Dengashinobi wrote:
Yes, but teaching wokeism in schools is not freedom.
Teaching history accurately might be "woke" but that doesn't make it a problem.
Why should conservative political correctness dictate what's acceptable to teach or how issues ought to be framed for students?
You are the one that knows what is "accurate" history. Ok.
I'd trust that historians understand what is accurate history much better than conservative activists - given that the activists are typically misinformed and seeking to push an agenda.
03 Mar 2023, 1:18 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
Yes, but teaching wokeism in schools is not freedom.
Teaching history accurately might be "woke" but that doesn't make it a problem.
Why should conservative political correctness dictate what's acceptable to teach or how issues ought to be framed for students?
You are the one that knows what is "accurate" history. Ok.
I'd trust that historians understand what is accurate history much better than conservative activists - given that the activists are typically misinformed and seeking to push an agenda.
Ok, you are the one who knows whom to trust about what "accuate" history is. Thats better.
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03 Mar 2023, 1:32 pm
Dengashinobi wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
Yes, but teaching wokeism in schools is not freedom.
Teaching history accurately might be "woke" but that doesn't make it a problem.
Why should conservative political correctness dictate what's acceptable to teach or how issues ought to be framed for students?
You are the one that knows what is "accurate" history. Ok.
I'd trust that historians understand what is accurate history much better than conservative activists - given that the activists are typically misinformed and seeking to push an agenda.
Ok, you are the one who knows whom to trust about what "accuate" history is. Thats better.
Who should we trust, if not historians?
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03 Mar 2023, 2:06 pm
Dengashinobi wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
Personally I fully suport any anti-woke action. Wokeism is dangerous to society and to liberty.
We'll need to destroy freedom in order to save it.
Wokeism equals freedom to you?
Freedom includes the freedom to be "woke", whatever that means to you.
Yes, but teaching wokeism in schools is not freedom.
In this case, "schools" includes universities, and "wokeism" includes such universal ideals as diversity and inclusion.
People who want to ban universities from teaching entire subjects are the enemies of liberty. People who want to ban schools from having diverse and inclusive after-school activities are the enemies of liberty.
Teaching kids about intersectionality theory is not "wokeism", it's just education.
03 Mar 2023, 2:17 pm
Why am I reminded of this quote from a video game created by China called Genshin Impact? 
"There is no such thing as true freedom in this world. Even the wind cannot blow on forever."
Maybe the CCP is right. Too much freedom is overrated.
03 Mar 2023, 3:09 pm
03 Mar 2023, 3:10 pm
03 Mar 2023, 3:14 pm
Dengashinobi wrote:
DeathFlowerKing wrote:
Maybe the CCP is right.
Maybe Hitler was right too.
Or maybe all humans are rotten-to-the-core parasites and the earth would be much better off if we never existed?
03 Mar 2023, 3:15 pm
DeathFlowerKing wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
DeathFlowerKing wrote:
Maybe the CCP is right.
Maybe Hitler was right too.
Or maybe all humans are rotten-to-the-core parasites and the earth would be much better off if we never existed?
Thats better.
03 Mar 2023, 3:28 pm
Dengashinobi wrote:
DeathFlowerKing wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
DeathFlowerKing wrote:
Maybe the CCP is right.
Maybe Hitler was right too.
Or maybe all humans are rotten-to-the-core parasites and the earth would be much better off if we never existed?
Thats better.
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03 Mar 2023, 5:49 pm
DeathFlowerKing wrote:
Why am I reminded of this quote from a video game created by China called Genshin Impact?
"There is no such thing as true freedom in this world. Even the wind cannot blow on forever."
Maybe the CCP is right. Too much freedom is overrated.
"There is no such thing as true freedom in this world. Even the wind cannot blow on forever."
Maybe the CCP is right. Too much freedom is overrated.
Maybe it's not a matter of being overrated.
Maybe it's more a matter of freedom having many ways to measure it, some of which conflict.
It's hard to say someone has real freedom when they're stuck between terrible options and starvation, for example. It's hard to say someone has real freedom if they're essentially a pet - entirely provided for but with zero ability to make long-term plans for themselves or decide what they wish to do with their lives.
It's hard to say someone has real freedom when society can punish them for a wide-range of actions, but it would also be hard to say someone has real freedom if individuals can harm them without recourse because those harms all impact their ability to be free.
Society is bigger than individuals and inherently limits absolute freedom. One who chooses to participate in society surrenders some degree of freedom in exchange for that, but also probably didn't have the ability to freely chose whether to participate or not. Unless you're raised in a Kaczynski style shack that choice was made by your parents, but also, even if you build that shack, good luck having your decision to entirely remove yourself from society respected.
This argument is at the core of why liberals split in two, but it's bigger/deeper than that. Everyone wants freedom and yet we all define it differently.
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